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As a Christian, I believe:
Homosexuality is a sin
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Homosexuality is NOT a sin
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Other
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I'm not a Christian
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FascistLibertarian





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PostPosted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 5:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Our public schools and general public acceptance of this abherrant behavior as 'normal' are likely creating an 'environment' that will increase the incidence of homosexuality.


Homsexual activity maybe but not homosexuals. Course its 'unnatural' yet you cant show a society that has been free of homosexual behaviour. People who are attracted to their own gender have been around in every society and always will be.

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as we are actually considered in the Caribbean! Gay Canada!


You might be sorry Canada isnt Jamacia and two men holding hands arent going to be chased down the street but I aint.

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a rational person would not ignore tradition and the wisdom gathered over 2000 years of history


Humans have existed for at least 100,000 years.

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Homosexual behavior would be a 'bad' choice - something that the world has always known, and until recently, recognized.


So all human societies until recently have been against homosexual behaviour? News to me.

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( There is a particular arrogance that allows people to believe that their 'era' has special knowledge hitherto unavailable to mankind.)


Yeah well our era does have more knowledge than other eras. What this has to do with the present debate Im not sure.

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intellectual laziness and shallow interest in reality.


Yeah thats all of BC :roll:
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 6:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lorettaw wrote:
a rational person would not ignore tradition and the wisdom gathered over 2000 years of history as blithely as 'non-believers' and 'freedom' lovers. Christian tradition (which until recently was the same thing as 'tradition' for most of us) teaches us that 'freedom' demands responsibility. Freedom means freedom to make a good choice. A bad choice bears bad consequences. Homosexual behavior would be a 'bad' choice - something that the world has always known, and until recently, recognized.( There is a particular arrogance that allows people to believe that their 'era' has special knowledge hitherto unavailable to mankind.)

Chris, I see you're from BC. You wouldn't happen to be a teacher, would you? I hear they have a whole different perspective on 'good' and 'bad' in BC...I don't think it has anything to do with thinking, or being rational, more like intellectual laziness and shallow interest in reality.

Chris isn't the only one from BC, lorettaw...

Those who say homosexuality is a sin look to the Old Testament to support their position since the New Testament counsels unconditional love, acceptance and forgiveness. Those who wish to use the Bible to justify their personal bias should read the Good Book instead of cherrypicking it.

-Mac
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 7:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Homosexual behavior is only a problem in my mind because it reduces birth rates, I find it just as offensive as obese people having sex.

As for religion, it was only created to make others help others in a socialism kinda way, then it was used to oppress poor people by giving them something false to hope for in the afterlife as a reward for being a non violent serf.

as for churches being taxed, if they want to do charity work set up a charity. They shouldn't be able to avoid tax on the sale of their services, itís not fair.

If we don't tax Christianity why should we tax scientologists? What makes one more "rational"? The fact one is older and richer? Or that one delusion is more accepted by society?
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 9:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

chris p wrote:
Homosexual behavior is only a problem in my mind because it reduces birth rates,


Well I guess I don't have to ask you what your opinion of abortion is then.

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I find it just as offensive as obese people having sex.


I can honestly say I have never contemplated the intricacies of the obese mating ritual.

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As for religion, it was only created to make others help others in a socialism kinda way


So you agree that it's purpose is to comfort and spur people on to helping others?

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then it was used to oppress poor people by giving them something false to hope for in the afterlife as a reward for being a non violent serf.


Yeah, it kinda reminds me of modern day unions, Vote, work, pay us the way we want, you will be a souless, mindless drone, but you won't have to eat the dog's food when your finished your career.

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as for churches being taxed, if they want to do charity work set up a charity.


Now you got me confused, you already stated that their purpose is to get others to do charitable works. Could you make up your mind already? Besides these churches do works that governments just can't do. I would much rather see my $$$ going to a person on a mission to aids torn Africa to help the orphans with safe shelter, food, educational opportunities, At least I know that some corrupt despot isn't going to waylay the $$$ and just buy himself a solid gold toilet.

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They shouldn't be able to avoid tax on the sale of their services, itís not fair.


What can I say? Life is just chuck full of "not fair'

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If we don't tax Christianity why should we tax cytologists? What makes one more "rational"? The fact one is older and richer? Or that one delusion is more accepted by society?


You think the Church of Tom Cruise is not rich? Try this on for rational.

http://gawker.com/5002269/the-.....o-suppress

If you think it needs to be recognized as a religion maybe you should lobby for that.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 9:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sheila wrote:
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As I have yet to hear of anyone who went to hell because of their lifestyle. Even the young boy who committed suicide was allowed to hang out in pergatory until his family paid enough money to the Catholic Church to send him off to heaven. So if the ministers of the Church are not sending them to hell, who is?


Everyone goes to heaven. It's provable thru a study of the original scriptures and early church writings that the early church beleived this.

Every knee shall bow every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. Tell your friend who lost the boy to look up "universal reconciliation" on the web. It explains it all. Many Millions of Christians believe this.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 9:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mac,

I was refering to the BC public school mandate to teach homosexuality in the schools, to the point of hiring a homosexual couple to counsel them on how to 'sensitize' their curriculum.


The New Testament does not wipe out the validity of the ten commandments. Homosexual behavior is 'wrong' because it is counter God's purpose . As are other 'sexual' sins. An excelleent axplanation of this is JPll's 'Theology of the Body' or the condensed version by Christopher West. I have been handing out copies to my sons and their friends, and received only positive reviews. (At the very least, they gained a deeper understanding of how intense God's love for them IS)
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 9:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fac/Lib,

I think you need to reread my post and try to keep everything in context. : )
Mac





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PostPosted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 12:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

lorettaw wrote:
I was refering to the BC public school mandate to teach homosexuality in the schools, to the point of hiring a homosexual couple to counsel them on how to 'sensitize' their curriculum.

That is one school board, not a province-wide program.

lorettaw wrote:
The New Testament does not wipe out the validity of the ten commandments. Homosexual behavior is 'wrong' because it is counter God's purpose . As are other 'sexual' sins. An excelleent axplanation of this is JPll's 'Theology of the Body' or the condensed version by Christopher West. I have been handing out copies to my sons and their friends, and received only positive reviews. (At the very least, they gained a deeper understanding of how intense God's love for them IS)

You know what's odd... I don't recall saying the New Testament wiped out the Ten Commandments... I don't recall condemnation of homosexuality being one of the ten commandments either...

Jesus said he was the way, the truth and the light. Jesus did not condemn homosexuals. If you want to condemn homosexuals, you're not following the words of Jesus. Good luck in the afterlife. I think you'll need it.

-Mac
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 8:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Biblical arguments really shouldn't be part of the public equation, not all people believe in the bible.

IMO homosexuality is in the genes, most maybe not all, really can't change how they are born. It is not a sin, and , define sin, there is only a sin if one believes a particular interpretation of a book written by men. We may find it abhorrent and against human nature but who are we to tell consenting adults how to live their lives.

While I don't agree with the prostelyzation of the gay agenda in schools etc., gays should be left along to live their own lives free of discrimination and harassment.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 12:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Homosexualtiy is rampant in the animal kingdom, those damn bulls will mount anything. Dogs, cats, chickens, pigs, horses, they don't care. Are we that arrogant to think that humans are any different? I do believe, that there is a genetic link, maybe not a gene, but lack of or too much of something. I'm sure some day science will be able to explain it.
On the works of the church, as with any charitable organization, it is always good to ask them how much of their donations go towards administration. Last year when I asked a charitable organization this question, they said 92%. I chose not to donate.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 12:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sheila wrote:
Homosexualtiy is rampant in the animal kingdom, those damn bulls will mount anything. Dogs, cats, chickens, pigs, horses, they don't care. Are we that arrogant to think that humans are any different?


Well one would hope that folks could be smart or arrogant enough not to "mount" the chickens. Please I'm not a vegetarian yet, and am currently stuffing two chickens to roast in the oven. Now I have a "hole" new way to view it.

Thanks so very much for that mental picture. :D

I guess you might have not noticed that you just passive aggressively labeled Homosexuals as indiscriminate sexually, that they have no bounds, they don't care what they mount? Did you miss that?
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 1:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sheila wrote:
Are we that arrogant to think that humans are any different?


Humans ARE different. Since when is it "arrogant" to believe that humans are different than cows.

Humans are able to reason, perform complex tasks, attend university. Cows do not.

Many animals also eat their weak offspring - should we do that too?
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 1:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Craig wrote:
Sheila wrote:
Are we that arrogant to think that humans are any different?


Humans ARE different. Since when is it "arrogant" to believe that humans are different than cows.

Humans are able to reason, perform complex tasks, attend university. Cows do not.

Many animals also eat their weak offspring - should we do that too?


You are right Craig, it's not the cows. The cows do no humping at all. It's the bulls, do you know the difference? Of course we don't eat our weak offspring, but they do get shipped off to institutions, hospitals, seniors homes, don't they? That makes us so much more civilized than animals.
Crazymamma, that is not what I meant at all, but you are so good at putting words in my mouth, aren't you? My one and only point was the homosexuality is rampant in the animal kingdom. Last time I checked we are part of the animal kingdom.
I also noticed neither one of you wanted to answer my question about who is right, the Church or God. (this question was on another thread)


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Sheila wrote:
Craig wrote:
Sheila wrote:
Are we that arrogant to think that humans are any different?


Humans ARE different. Since when is it "arrogant" to believe that humans are different than cows.

Humans are able to reason, perform complex tasks, attend university. Cows do not.

Many animals also eat their weak offspring - should we do that too?


You are right Craig, it's not the cows. The cows do no humping at all. It's the bulls, do you know the difference?


:roll:
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Hi Craig, did you know that chimpanzees are superior to humans in some skills? Does that mean they are no longer used and experimented on, as the last test of a drug? Somehow you are under the impression that all animals are stupid because they don't go to university. All animals have the ability to learn. What makes you so sure that the animals who kill their weak, aren't doing the most humane thing possible? Ask Robert Latimer about that.
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