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FascistLibertarian





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PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 4:03 pm    Post subject: laws on banning people from establishments based on gender? Reply with quote

is this allowed?
i went to a place yesterday in toronto and they wouldnt let my female friend in?
i dunno if i should make a stink and use all my connections and go tot he ontario human rights commision or just forgetaboutit.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 5:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Forgetaboutit and go somewhere else next time :~)
No big deal imo.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I personally think private establishments should be able to let whoever they want in.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 3:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Craig wrote:
I personally think private establishments should be able to let whoever they want in.


Ditto, I don't care if establishment puts up a sign saying "no coloured people".

Instead of shutting them down, lets actually ALLOW free speech and use are power of freedom to:

a) demonstrate
b) boycott
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 5:58 pm    Post subject: Re: laws on banning people from establishments based on gend Reply with quote

FascistLibertarian wrote:
is this allowed?
i went to a place yesterday in toronto and they wouldnt let my female friend in?
i dunno if i should make a stink and use all my connections and go tot he ontario human rights commision or just forgetaboutit.


The Human Rights Commision recently ruled that refusing to allow women into PUBLIC GAY BARS is acceptable. So changes are they'd stick their noses in the air with distaste unless your friend is gay. Now if I were to ban gay males from a PUBLIC place I'd have my arse hauled before the Human Rights Commision before you could say "Bob's your uncle". Double standards, this organization is doing serious harm to equal rights for females. Shrug perhaps that's their NEW mission statement.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 6:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

westmanguy wrote:
Craig wrote:
I personally think private establishments should be able to let whoever they want in.


Ditto, I don't care if establishment puts up a sign saying "no coloured people".

Instead of shutting them down, lets actually ALLOW free speech and use are power of freedom to:

a) demonstrate
b) boycott


The late Milton Freedman had an interesting take on that issue. It's been awhile since I've read his work so I don't recall how he phrased it. I'll have to dig up his book...
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 7:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Ditto, I don't care if establishment puts up a sign saying "no coloured people".


I guess a molotov cocktail could be considered free speech too.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't understand what the stink is about. There are women only Gyms all over Ottawa. For those girls that get all nervous and intimadated by men in the gym. Women have all kinds of places they can go by themselves. No one seems to think twice, I guess all men are "evil" or all women are quivering mass of nerves when a man walks in a room. GAG.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 11:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

crazymamma wrote:
I don't understand what the stink is about. There are women only Gyms all over Ottawa. For those girls that get all nervous and intimadated by men in the gym. Women have all kinds of places they can go by themselves. No one seems to think twice, I guess all men are "evil" or all women are quivering mass of nerves when a man walks in a room. GAG.


Very good point. The precedent is already set. Maybe not a legal precedent, but a social one for sure.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 11:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most of the women only gyms I have ever seen have been full of nice new equipment for the 3 or 4 women who went there. The mixed side was full of men, and broken down equipment. I stopped going to gyms because it looked like I was subsidizing a service that was not wanted. Doing renovations and projects is a better work out anyway.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bleatmop wrote:
Very good point. The precedent is already set. Maybe not a legal precedent, but a social one for sure.

There are a few precedents around, including a "men's only" room at a private golf club here in BC. Although the first "round" went in favour of the women, the Court of Appeals held that women were not being discriminated against by being restricted from entry.

-Mac
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I stopped going to gyms because it looked like I was subsidizing a service that was not wanted.


I stopped going for the same reason. I(slacker) was the one that didn't want it though!
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 8:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I went to a couple of Gentlemen's clubs in London which restrict membership to men, with different clubs granting women different rights (or none). For instance the super exclusive Whites' will not allow women through the door, the East India club will allow women in if accompanied by a male member but won't let them anywhere except two rooms (and no membership options), Carlton club offers women associate membership, and women can go into any room except two. Since these are private establishments they should be free from intrusive legislation. Many private clubs can get around legislation by having the general membership voting on the admission of a new member.

Generally, if a particular category is denied access to some establishments my top suggestion would be "make your own". For example women's clubs where entry for men is restricted. Or African-descent clubs not allowing whites in or as members.

As for other kinds of discrimination (eg based on sexual or political orientation) my feelings are mixed, since it is not an obviously visible trait. In those cases I would suggest discrimination based on a behavioral standard. For instance, a socialist is free to join a tory-oriented club provided he remains polite and keeps discussion (if any) civilized and at an acceptable intellectual level. Might make the tory club even more exciting.
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