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PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 2:24 pm    Post subject: Dion loyalists charge byelection sabotage Reply with quote

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OTTAWA — Michael Ignatieff supporters are sabotaging Liberal efforts in the Outremont byelection in hopes of weakening Liberal Leader Stephane Dion, Dion loyalists say.

A poll in La Presse of Montreal on Friday suggests the NDP may win a historic breakthrough in the riding on Monday. That would be a disaster for Mr. Dion, who personally selected international affairs expert Jocelyn Coulon as the Liberal candidate in what should be a safe seat in downtown Montreal.

Dion loyalists suspect Liberal organizers who support Mr. Ignatieff have been undermining the campaign, hoping that a loss would force Mr. Dion out of the leadership once Liberals realized that he couldn’t deliver seats in Quebec.


If Dion loses that byelection, Harper will win a majority.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 2:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Craig,

I think you may be right on that.

If he does, then conservatism will certainly be dead because the red tories currently moving the party left of Dion will take any victory as a sign that they were correct. Harper may hold onto two majorities but by the end of the second one, the conservatives that will have been pushed aside will revolt again and decimate the newer version of the PCPC.

Of course, we all may be quite surprised and Harper suddenly finds his conservative soul.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 2:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The above...didn't make sense...

Just me?
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 5:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

westmanguy wrote:
The above...didn't make sense...

Just me?


Yep it made sense.
I'm expecting PM Harper will be true his "conservative soul" tho!
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

westmanguy wrote:
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The above...didn't make sense...

Just me?


Seems simple to me. Let me explain it to you.

Conservatism will be dead because the red tories currently moving the party left of Layton will in victory become Liberals since Harper is really a Liberal plant (ala: Orchard) and after there is replay of the 2 fake Conservative(really Liberal) governments of Mulroney, the party will be destroyed again by infighting and the birth of regional conservative parties who can't get along with each other.

The Liberals(who really have been in power all along) will then win an election and reign for 1000 years or until the anti-christ(Trudeau) returns. :lol:
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 8:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hope that doesn't happen. :(
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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OTTAWA — Michael Ignatieff supporters are sabotaging Liberal efforts in the Outremont byelection in hopes of weakening Liberal Leader Stephane Dion, Dion loyalists say.


Smart for the Liberals to bring this up in the middle of the by-election. So Dion's group have already blamed Harper and Ignatieff. Who's next Santa Claus.

Maybe they should blame Chretien and Kennedy. They got Dion into this mess
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 10:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From Bourque...


Mutiny on the Good Ship Liberal ?
"Woe is me" would pretty much sum up embattled leader Stephane Dion's tenure atop Canada's natural governing party. An unlikely political boss with a professorial affectation, Dion's post-leadership convention honeymoon lasted barely hours before the wheels began to fall off the bandwagon, such as it was.

To be fair, Dion has faced a variety of insurmountable obstacles since Day One on the job. For starters, Dion's political acumen never overcame his leadership rivals claims that as a Cabinet Minister, he "just couldn't get the job done", something the Conservatives were quick to parrot to his constant frustration.

But the worst elements of Dion's tenure were not amplified to the public by MPs from other parties. Instead, they were whispered internally by fellow Liberals working their disruptive magic for those who would be king, the disgruntled leadership also-rans all too anxious to see Dion flushed from the leader's office, whether by an electoral loss or a mere discharge of self-confidence that might lead to an abandoning of duties.

And in such an unhealthy political diaspora, subterfuge, ego, and ambition align to corrode status quo, to malign benevolence, and to usurp authority. As one very senior Liberal MP told Liberal candidate Bourque back in 1992, a Liberal politician's worst enemies are not in the other parties, they are your colleagues within the Liberal Party.

Today's schism predates the recent leadership convention. The splits within the Liberal party harken back to the Trudeau/Turner era, followed by myriad Turner/Chretien convolutions, subsequented by the Chretien/Martin dichotomy, and now buffeted by the tenuous Ignatieff/Rae/Dion fooferaws. Personal tiffs abound, as do vendettas, hurt feelings, and un-assuaged arrogance.

This is the world that Stephane Dion has tapped into, this is the dilemma he struggles with, this is what fuels what many senior Liberals increasingly feel is the beginning of the end of Stephane Dion as Liberal leader.

The fact that life may go from bad to worse for Dion should his party lose, as predicted, all 3 imminent by-elections can only expand internal resentment of his leadership, and whatever resulting discomfort he may be subjected to.

Developing ...
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 12:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dion is a joke. He has nobody to blame but his own lack of leadership, charisma, backbone, and political intuition for his dismal results in Outremont and elsewhere.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 12:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyone surprised Dion and his Dionites are whining and blaming others?

-Mac
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 12:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

None whatsoever.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 2:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This will be the first time in history that fire has melted a by-election! What a kook.
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