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Is Hell eternal?
Hell lasts forever
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No, Hell and all his co-habitants will be non-existent one day.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 9:22 pm    Post subject: Christians: End Times Reply with quote

Whats your stance on End Times?

I have a fully Evangelical standpoint on this. Lets make it understandable via popular media.

The book series "Left Behind" by Jerry B. Jenkins and Tim LaHaye. Thats generally what I believe in.

Globalization - to me - is a sign of end times. A leader of a ONE WORLD government will arise as a man that looks great on the outside but is the anti-christ.

I believe all the Christians alive at that given point will be raptured. I am not sure if its their soul or their soul AND body that are raptured. Non-Christians will be left on earth for 7 years.

They will be given a second chance to accept Jesus Christ as their savior.

The mark of the beast - in this day of age - to my guess - would be an electronic chip in your body to buy/sell. Second Chance Christians during this time cannot have the mark of the beast.

Every person left in this 7 year period with the mark of the beast is doomed to Hell.

Their will be tribulations and judgments. Earthquakes, rains of fire, etc.

After the 7 years, the Second Chance Christians, God and all his angels and believers will come to earth for the final battle.

Satan and all the demons and non-Christians throughout the ages will be cast into a brimstone lake of fire.

Jesus and all the Christians throughout time will rein on earth for 1000 years.

All the non-Christians throughout time will become non-existent. Hell will be gone, and God and his people will go to heaven for an eternity of peace.

Thus I don't believe Hell is eternal.

Whats your stance on end times?
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 9:41 pm    Post subject: Re: Christians: End Times Reply with quote

westmanguy wrote:
The book series "Left Behind" by Jerry B. Jenkins and Tim LaHaye. Thats generally what I believe in.

:roll:
Those books are more grounded in politics than they are in the Bible.
The biggest strike against them is that any "Anti-Christ" is supposed to be a great deceiver of men.
Now
do you really think the devil is going to go with a plan that has already been figured out by two guys?

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I believe all the Christians alive at that given point will be raptured. I am not sure if its their soul or their soul AND body that are raptured. Non-Christians will be left on earth for 7 years...
They will be given a second chance to accept Jesus Christ as their savior...
After the 7 years, the Second Chance Christians, God and all his angels and believers will come to earth for the final battle...
Jesus and all the Christians throughout time will rein on earth for 1000 years...
All the non-Christians throughout time will become non-existent. Hell will be gone, and God and his people will go to heaven for an eternity of peace.

You forgot the battle after the 1,000 year reign at which point Christ comes.
So, if you look closely, you will notice that this model of the End Times actually requires a third coming, and the Bible only explicitly refers to two.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 1:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is a link to a GREAT documentary on the 'end times' - a MUST to see!



http://www.virtualjerusalem.co.....agog1.html

(Please use the above link as the picture doesn't contain a link as it's only a copy)


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 1:34 am    Post subject: Re: Christians: End Times Reply with quote

westmanguy wrote:

The mark of the beast - in this day of age - to my guess - would be an electronic chip in your body to buy/sell. Second Chance Christians during this time cannot have the mark of the beast.


I certainly believe that whatever the cause - there is a 'beast system' in the works and that system has intentions to track all people and goods. Myself I have been living with a kind of beast system 'implant' - for the last five years.

Of course we are all aware of RFID and how this technology is being quietly introduced - it is already too late to stop it.

Most people are waiting for some big event thinking that such is going to 'confirm' that the beast state is being introduced and in that they are unaware that it is already being introduced - in many cases by leaders and industry who are not themselves part of this system. In other words - this generation - is already building an infrastructure that could later be used by such a despot.

What can we do? What could I do to prevent being implanted? Mostly nothing.

What can be done is to take shelter in God and - to support leaders like those found in the CPC - leaders that are averse to using the system in some such despotic fashion.

I think that this generation can change things - we are certainly headed towards 'something' - I often fear that [unchanged] this generation might find itself - in 40 years - in a system that resembles the noted beast system.

Nonetheless - all of this is following a plan that God is overseeing...
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 9:46 pm    Post subject: Re: Christians: End Times Reply with quote

don muntean wrote:
I certainly believe that whatever the cause - there is a 'beast system' in the works and that system has intentions to track all people and goods. Myself I have been living with a kind of beast system 'implant' - for the last five years...

I am never sure if you are joking or serious.
I have visited your blog, and honestly I thought you were kidding.
But now you post this here.
Are you serious? Because I feel dumber for watching that movie clip.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 9:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

don muntean could you sort of clarify what your saying.

I am confused and a little freaked out you have a "beast" system within you?

I am pretty sure we are raptured before the mark of the beast comes along.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 10:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

westmanguy wrote:
don muntean could you sort of clarify what your saying.

I am confused and a little freaked out you have a "beast" system within you?

I am pretty sure we are raptured before the mark of the beast comes along.


I was only noting that I have already been implanted with some kind of device - by a socialist agency - thus I can very much appreciate the terrible notion that such 'marking' could happen as described in the biblical prophesies.

I can say that it hasn't been a pleasant experience and - I'm not saying that SGI is the beast system [though I'm not so certain some days :wink: ] - if you haven't visited my protest website - you may want to do that. Please do keep an open mind.

As noted in my posting - this generation is already building a surveillance/electronic economic infrastructure that could later be used by an anti-christ despot...
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 10:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm trying to keep an open mind, lol, but when I read about implants its sort of hard to do :wink:

From my understanding SGI is like MPI in Manitoba, its the auto insurance company.

What exactly did the implant in you, where, and why?
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 11:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

westmanguy wrote:
I'm trying to keep an open mind, lol, but when I read about implants its sort of hard to do :wink:

From my understanding SGI is like MPI in Manitoba, its the auto insurance company.

What exactly did the implant in you, where, and why?


Is it any more difficult to believe than the whole end times scenario with a global dictator and all that goes with that?

It would seem that scenario is unbelievable yet - many implicitly believe that it'll happen...

Some individuals working in upper management at SGI's head office conscripted a Regina dentist to implant something that isn't a dental appliance into my left sinus and - it is visible in the x-ray on my website. [the three of them left employ at SGI in July 2004 - seemingly - following my complaint to the federal privacy commissioner - my noted complaint went nowhere - due to the do-nothing Liberals]

Why did they do this? That "why" is something for them to answer but - I suspect I was to be used as a lab rat of sorts.

Also - I was fighting with them for proper compensation and - it became a personal issue - for them.

I have other possible 'reasons' as well but - I cannot torture my mind with "why" did they do this - the "why" isn't a consideration at this point. There is of course no excuse for anyone doing such a thing.

In fact I have long wanted an RCMP investigation to find out "why" - yet - I still wait with the implant in place and - no answers [or rights]...

:?
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 11:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i guess your right.

If I believe in the End Times as I do, yours shouldn't be much different.

Thats really odd...if your in the financial position to do so, have you considered sueing?

What about going to every newspaper and tv station in Saskatchewan with all your evidence - thus forcing something to be done?

Have you considered going to a dentist/doctor/specialist to get it removed, then having it examined by some agency to see what it was?
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 11:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

westmanguy wrote:
i guess your right.

If I believe in the End Times as I do, yours shouldn't be much different.

Thats really odd...if your in the financial position to do so, have you considered sueing?

What about going to every newspaper and tv station in Saskatchewan with all your evidence - thus forcing something to be done?

Have you considered going to a dentist/doctor/specialist to get it removed, then having it examined by some agency to see what it was?


I cannot afford to sue and the lawyers I've called won't help - without substantive cash on the barrel.

The mainstream media here is in the NDP's back pocket. [thus I've had an internet protest for over two years now] Too often the media and the lawyers cannot get past the seeming outrageous nature of this - to really look at the evidences.

I did go to a dental surgeon in Regina and he wouldn't help me - it's all explained on my website.

I did write a dentist in Calgary and he confirmed the x-ray and told me in writing that it has to be removed by a surgeon.

Of course I need answers before it is removed - what is the composition and - what is the risk to me if it breaks apart in my sinus during removal.

I have faith that God shall help me to get justice at some point - He is a God of mercy and justice after all and - He has helped me to cope with this thus far...

Thanks for being respectful of my plight - despite having doubts! God bless you!
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 12:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No problem. When I grew up my parents had their own legal battles - as my dad was a teacher, and my mom was a TA - along with other co-workers.

Illigitimate transfers, hate letters from the admin of the school. Growing up throughout school with that sort of sparked my conservatism.

It was a NDP government and the teachers union (MTS - Manitoba's Teacher Society) which was in the NDPs pocket that sparked my rebellion against the NDP and left wing principles.

Justice is hard to get in this country.

From what I learned, God will always balance out justice in the end. Society may not give out the right justice, but these people that inflicted bad will and harm to my family and co-workers/friends are alcoholics and don't have happy lives.

I believe in karma through God.

God has a plan, and if you don't get the Justice you want, God opens doors, and it all balances out in the end.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 12:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

westmanguy wrote:
No problem. When I grew up my parents had their own legal battles - as my dad was a teacher, and my mom was a TA - along with other co-workers.

Illigitimate transfers, hate letters from the admin of the school. Growing up throughout school with that sort of sparked my conservatism.

It was a NDP government and the teachers union (MTS - Manitoba's Teacher Society) which was in the NDPs pocket that sparked my rebellion against the NDP and left wing principles.

Justice is hard to get in this country.

From what I learned, God will always balance out justice in the end. Society may not give out the right justice, but these people that inflicted bad will and harm to my family and co-workers/friends are alcoholics and don't have happy lives.

I believe in karma through God.

God has a plan, and if you don't get the Justice you want, God opens doors, and it all balances out in the end.


To turn aside the right of a man before the face of the Most High, To subvert a man in his cause, the Lord approveth not. [Lamentations 3.35-36]

Many seek the ruler's favour; but a man's judgment cometh from the LORD. Proverbs 29.26

Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap... [Galatians 5.18]

I have to take rest now - I look forward to more discussions tomorrow!
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 1:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Christians: End Times Reply with quote

Ruth wrote:
don muntean wrote:
I certainly believe that whatever the cause - there is a 'beast system' in the works and that system has intentions to track all people and goods. Myself I have been living with a kind of beast system 'implant' - for the last five years...

I am never sure if you are joking or serious.
I have visited your blog, and honestly I thought you were kidding.
But now you post this here.
Are you serious? Because I feel dumber for watching that movie clip.


Why would I kid about something as nasty as that? If it weren't true it would be defamation.

Which movie clip? The one above - about Armageddon?
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 2:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There was only one video clip posted in this thread....
yeah the one about Armegeddon
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