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PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 9:13 pm    Post subject: Re: I hope John Tory loses. Reply with quote

Craig wrote:
Sorry guys. He's just as liberal as McGuinty and I don't support extending the funding of religious schools to all religions. I think that is the wrong path to go down and will lead to more ghetoization of immigrant communities.


Craig, would u like to see the Party defeated?
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 10:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ideally, I would like to see a weak Liberal minority followed by John Tory's resignation and an election within 18 months of a real conservative.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 8:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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After your comment I actually took the time to thumb through the "Plan for Ontario" and I wondering which policies you find incoherent?


My sense is that John is proposing spending like a drunken sailor, while talking about fiscal responsibility. My sense also is that he has Randy Hillier running for him, at the same time as he himself participates in the Pride parade. My sense is that he seems to offer every ethnic group some government booty while attacking McGuinty for his funding of ethnic community initiatives.

If it works, I don't see how he governs. I just don't think it will work...
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 9:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Craig wrote:
Ideally, I would like to see a weak Liberal minority followed by John Tory's resignation and an election within 18 months of a real conservative.


I'll second that one Craig. Tory's got to go and the PARTY needs a wake-up call as well!
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 9:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Swan Song wrote:
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After your comment I actually took the time to thumb through the "Plan for Ontario" and I wondering which policies you find incoherent?


My sense is that John is proposing spending like a drunken sailor, while talking about fiscal responsibility. My sense also is that he has Randy Hillier running for him, at the same time as he himself participates in the Pride parade. My sense is that he seems to offer every ethnic group some government booty while attacking McGuinty for his funding of ethnic community initiatives.

If it works, I don't see how he governs. I just don't think it will work...


Exactly. The pandering infuriates me and I'm certainly not saying that McGuinty doesn't do it. I'm just saying that a message must be sent to the Conservative party that we conservative voters won't stand for it.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 10:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It would cause a problem, if there was a minority of any kind in Ontario, the NDP would hold the balance of power, and that is a scary thought.

I am willing to give John Tory a chance before we write him off as a drunken sailor. He is a business man, and I hope if he is elected as premier, he will act like a business man, and cut the funding where it is not needed, like that “health” tax that does not even go towards healthcare.

He is too socially liberal to me, but he will be 100% better than McGuinty who will say anything to win, and do everything in office to break his promises, and Hampton who is way out in left field.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 10:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have decided through much mental debating that I will reluctantly support this position. I won't elaborate now but will be blogging in support of the issue shortly.

Anyone who doesn't want to vote for Tory because of this should reconsider solely for the fact that he will eliminate the Health tax uncle dalton lied to us about. I don't know about you guys, but that $900/year sure would help me out a lot
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 11:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would agree with Matt. We don't have much of an option otherwise.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 1:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Matt wrote:
I have decided through much mental debating that I will reluctantly support this position. I won't elaborate now but will be blogging in support of the issue shortly.

Anyone who doesn't want to vote for Tory because of this should reconsider solely for the fact that he will eliminate the Health tax uncle dalton lied to us about. I don't know about you guys, but that $900/year sure would help me out a lot
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I agree,

The bottom line is that should Tory follow through on eliminating the health care tax, and even go ahead with half the potential income tax savings he hopes to move forward with its more green in my pocket.

I disagreed with Harper on a series of moral issues in both 2004 and 2006 but at the end of the day I voted for the greater good which outweighed the ethical evil.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 2:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good for you cosmo.

There comes time when we must get over ourselves and our anger and look at the bigger picture from the perspectives of our personal life, conservatism, and Ontario's population. The road uncle dalton is leading us down is not the best option from either of those perspectives, and that's why i'll be voting and volunteering for John Tory.

And come the policy convention, I'm going to be the loudest angriest in the room.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 3:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Matt wrote:
Good for you cosmo.

There comes time when we must get over ourselves and our anger and look at the bigger picture from the perspectives of our personal life, conservatism, and Ontario's population. The road uncle dalton is leading us down is not the best option from either of those perspectives, and that's why i'll be voting and volunteering for John Tory.

And come the policy convention, I'm going to be the loudest angriest in the room.


As I have said before much of my support will hinge on some more major policy announcements, but as I have said before School Funding is one issue that I don't fully support but with that said there are dozens of items that have been put forward in the last four years under a Liberal Majority that effect me much more then which direction my tax dollars I already throw into a black hole are being directed.

Although because I disagree with one socialist policy within Tory's playbook, I disagree with several within Dalton's. So voting in a more socialist direction simply to stick it to the most right of the major leaders may be an interesting means to say that you would do this if you live outside Ontario, but its about as practical is me disliking Harpers stance on Same Sex Marriage, and agreeing with most of the fiscal plan and then voting for Jack Layton solely based on the SSM issue.

But lets wait for the major platform points, and then go from there.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 3:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Matt wrote:


that's why i'll be voting and volunteering for John Tory.


Voting I think unless the Liberals come out with some radical tax cuts to address my tax bracket or a cut to the PST, The PC party has my vote and as I said before I have a world of respect for Tim Peterson.

As for Volunteering, the ball is in their court. Give me something to believe in and I will be right there in the front lines.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just a point that should be noted about the elimination of the Catholic School System,

Many of the Catholic Schools (Most High Schools) in Ontario are built on property that is owned by the Catholic Diocese that was set aside so the Provincial government could build schools on them (Mainly to have close access to the local parish)

With that said it stops becoming an issue of halting funding and converting schools to the Public System as ownership of many of these properties are certainly a gray area and the Province would be responsible for removing this buildings off the property if they were not in use.

As I have said before my stance on the system is to resolve the serious differences in the quality of education from school to school before we close half of them, but the above point should be noted when we start discussing the "ease" of eliminating the Catholic Board.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

eliminating the $900 tax is something I believe in enough to volunteer.

The Liberals ca adopt a policy to personally write me a $10,000,000 cheque annually and they'd never get my vote. If I couldn't vote PC I'd vote NDP, and ideology has nothing to do with that.

If the PC Party were to have gone the other way and pledge to eliminate funding for the Catholic school, I would not vote for them, and would likely volunteer for the ndp if they were to come out in favour of funding Catholic schools. I am a product of the Catholic system, and I think we're on to something here. Whenever I go home I notice the grocery stores and gas stations are employed by people who went to the public system that can't balance it's budget. It's pretty tough to find someone I graduated HS with from the Catholic system still in Pembroke as they seem to all have left for post secondary. I think the public system needs all the competition it can get in terms of funding and quality of education.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 4:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not being a liar and not raising our hydro rates would be a start....
I don't know Matt, these are just little things what will he do different from McGuinty?
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