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Craig
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| justice wrote: | hahaha
What colour is the sky in your world?
My oh My hmmm God fearing bible carrying patriot ,eh?
Can I ask why you don't go over and help those boys in Afghanistan? |
You need a timeout. See you in a week if you care to come back. |
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mrsocko
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| Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 9:38 pm Post subject: |
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Justice wote:
| Quote: | | i wonder if that guy with Reagan's avatar as his moniker was picked up to do the 30 years some have done for what he confessed to? |
I assume you are talking about me. I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
Reagan is shaking hands with Friedrich Hayek. |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 11:13 pm Post subject: |
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| mrsocko wrote: | Justice wote:
| Quote: | | i wonder if that guy with Reagan's avatar as his moniker was picked up to do the 30 years some have done for what he confessed to? |
I assume you are talking about me. I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
Reagan is shaking hands with Friedrich Hayek. |
No that was me. He was referring to my stint a a pot smoker/dealer and how I haven't been picked up and thrown into prison for it. He believes that pot smokers are really good people that are just misunderstood. :roll: I was not, nor were any of my pot smoking friends, worth a damn in our drug induced state. Are jail/prison sentences too harsh for pot dealers, no I don't think so. But that is for another topic. He had a bit of a problem staying on topic. |
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gc
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| Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 11:46 pm Post subject: |
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| truth4freedom wrote: | | Are jail/prison sentences too harsh for pot dealers, no I don't think so. |
So, did you turn yourself in? Or is it only other people who deserve to go to jail? |
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biggie
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| Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 9:17 am Post subject: |
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| gc wrote: | | truth4freedom wrote: | | Are jail/prison sentences too harsh for pot dealers, no I don't think so. |
So, did you turn yourself in? Or is it only other people who deserve to go to jail? |
It seems to me that one can learn from their mistakes after the fact...
I really hope you weren't being serious with such a ridiculous question.
Have you ever turned yourself in for j-walking, parking illegally, speeding, coming to a rolling stop at a stop-sign?
There is a big difference between saying that penalties are fair and turning yourself in.
Turning yourself in is just stupid, but admitting that the sentence is fair if you are caught - that's just being reasonable. |
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gc
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| Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 9:29 am Post subject: |
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| biggie wrote: |
Have you ever turned yourself in for j-walking, |
No, but only because I don't believe this is a "crime", and I don't think anyone should be charged for it.
| Quote: | | parking illegally, speeding, coming to a rolling stop at a stop-sign? |
I've never actually done any of these things, but if I thought I was commiting a crime, then yes I would.
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There is a big difference between saying that penalties are fair and turning yourself in.
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If you think that the penalties are fair, then it should be fair for everyone. If you don't turn yourself in, you are saying that the punishment is fair for other people but not for yourself. It's very hypocritical. |
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biggie
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| Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 9:39 am Post subject: |
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| gc wrote: |
No, but only because I don't believe this is a "crime", and I don't think anyone should be charged for it. |
Well regardless of whether you think it is or not; it is. And people are given a ticket for it for a very good reason.
| Quote: | I've never actually done any of these things, but if I thought I was commiting a crime, then yes I would.
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but only if you thought it was actually a crime? Hmmm...
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If you think that the penalties are fair, then it should be fair for everyone. If you don't turn yourself in, you are saying that the punishment is fair for other people but not for yourself. It's very hypocritical. |
Hardly! It only makes sense that someone wouldn't turn themselves in for a crime they committed at sometime. That doesn't mean that they are a hypocrit - it means that like anyone with half a brain they have a sense of self-preservation.
That doesn't preclude you from learning a lesson from your experiences and passing them on to others.
Is it hypocritical for an ex-heroin addict to warn children of the dangers of drugs?????? |
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| Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 2:03 pm Post subject: |
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| gc wrote: | | truth4freedom wrote: | | Are jail/prison sentences too harsh for pot dealers, no I don't think so. |
So, did you turn yourself in? Or is it only other people who deserve to go to jail? |
I am not tooting my own horn here. The local authorities where I grew up, and I suspect several national agencies as well, know about my crimes during my mis spent youth and they have not charged me. I am not the same person I was then. That was over a decade ago. Then, I deserved to get tossed away for a long time. Now, I do not participate in anything remotely as damaging as I did then. What is so hard to understand about that? |
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gc
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| Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 2:20 pm Post subject: |
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| biggie wrote: | | It only makes sense that someone wouldn't turn themselves in for a crime they committed at sometime. That doesn't mean that they are a hypocrit - it means that like anyone with half a brain they have a sense of self-preservation. |
Of course it makes them a hypocrite! It means that they think other people deserve to go to jail for same things they did themselves.
| Quote: | | Is it hypocritical for an ex-heroin addict to warn children of the dangers of drugs?????? |
Of course not. Warning someone is different than putting them in jail. I don't care if someone wants to warn me of the dangers of marijuana, but I do care if they want to put me in jail for smoking marijuana. If the ex-heroin addict believes that anyone who warns children of the dangers of drugs belongs in jail, then yes it would be hypocritical to do the same. |
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gc
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| Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 2:23 pm Post subject: |
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| truth4freedom wrote: | | I am not the same person I was then. That was over a decade ago. Then, I deserved to get tossed away for a long time. Now, I do not participate in anything remotely as damaging as I did then. What is so hard to understand about that? |
Great, next time a person is convicted of murder, they can use the defense "but I killed that person over a decade ago! I'm a different person now!" |
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biggie
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| gc wrote: | | truth4freedom wrote: | | I am not the same person I was then. That was over a decade ago. Then, I deserved to get tossed away for a long time. Now, I do not participate in anything remotely as damaging as I did then. What is so hard to understand about that? |
Great, next time a person is convicted of murder, they can use the defense "but I killed that person over a decade ago! I'm a different person now!" |
You just destroyed any point you might have thought you had 8) |
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| Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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The point is he broke the law, doesnt think he should be punished, but now thinks that others should be punished for breaking the same law.
Is prison to harsh for pot dealers, no, but for him it is because he doesnt deal anymore, is sorry, and is a different person. |
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gc
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| Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 7:02 pm Post subject: |
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| biggie wrote: |
You just destroyed any point you might have thought you had 8) |
So, I take it you don't actually have a rebuttal? |
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gc
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| Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 7:02 pm Post subject: |
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| FascistLibertarian wrote: | | The point is he broke the law, doesnt think he should be punished, but now thinks that others should be punished for breaking the same law. |
Exactly. |
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Craig
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| Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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| gc wrote: | | truth4freedom wrote: | | I am not the same person I was then. That was over a decade ago. Then, I deserved to get tossed away for a long time. Now, I do not participate in anything remotely as damaging as I did then. What is so hard to understand about that? |
Great, next time a person is convicted of murder, they can use the defense "but I killed that person over a decade ago! I'm a different person now!" |
Statute of limitations
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S.....imitations
It doesn't apply to murder. Your comparison is invalid. |
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