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Should Canada have mandatory military service?
Yes
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No
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gc





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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 9:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Craig wrote:

Conservatives also believe in a strong military, law and order, and national pride. Military service accomplishes those goals. We can achieve small government and still maintain a strong and proud military.


We already have a strong military. We don't need mandatory military service to make our military strong. If you think we don't have enough recruits, raise their pay.

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I'm a law and order conservative. I want lower taxes but I don't mind strong laws and restrictions when necessary. Of course the statement "minimum amount of government interference required as per the situation" is open to interpretation.


That's fine, but some people seem to believe that your beliefs are consistent with small government, which is not true. You believe that the government should be involved in building a strong military, while a liberal believes that the government should be involved in, for example, welfare. You just have different priorities for what the government should be involved in.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 11:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gc wrote:
Craig wrote:

Conservatives also believe in a strong military, law and order, and national pride. Military service accomplishes those goals. We can achieve small government and still maintain a strong and proud military.


We already have a strong military. We don't need mandatory military service to make our military strong. If you think we don't have enough recruits, raise their pay.


We don't have a strong military. Our equipment is old and we don't have enough soldiers. I have suggested repeatedly that I think mandatory service would make our citizens more patriotic and responsible - raising pay does not address that.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 11:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stephen wrote:
You should watch the movie or read the book titled Starship Troopers


I'm going to pretend that you didn't just recommend the movie Starship Troopers.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 12:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Craig wrote:

We don't have a strong military. Our equipment is old and we don't have enough soldiers.


Making military service mandatory is not going to fix old equipment. If you think we need more soldiers, we should raise their pay to recruit more, not force people to join.

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I have suggested repeatedly that I think mandatory service would make our citizens more patriotic and responsible - raising pay does not address that.


I am patriotic and responsible enough as it is, why should I be forced to join the military?
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 1:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The answer should be quite clear if we do not have the people needed joining on their own, then what ever it takes to see that we have the people needed to do the jobs asked by Canada ! One way or another the crews will be there !
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 12:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nothing wrong with mandatory "service to Country" in my mind, but I don't think it would fly in Canada. I was posted in Germany for four years and had the pleasure of seeing the "wall" come down. I also got to know many Germans, some of whom I am in contact with today, who were involved in the German "conscription" program. What do you think of this type of plan (it sort of follows the German model): One Year of Service in one of the following fields: Combat Arms/Policing/Rangers/Border Patrol; or
Two Years of Service in the following fields: Military Tradesperson (Medic, Mechanic, Trucker, Administration) or Civil Servant (Public Works, Waste Disposal, admin).
Almost all trades in the pubic service/military are available in the private sector so a person could choose a related specialized field as he/she is taking in school for two years, and then be accredited towards a diploma. Likewise, someone wanting to "get it over with" could choose the shorter, one year, term in a more "intensiveĒ trade (Policing/Rangers/Combat Arms). All terms of service would b in Canada's boundaries, unless one volunteered to go overseas. (You drop out of school, then it's minmum two years service). Those who chose Military Service could then opt for continued part-time service in the Primary Reserves, or a Territorial Defence Battalion Group (TDBG). TDBG, would be a non-deployable organization assigned to ones local community in the event of a large scale emergency and would be located in larger urban centers.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 12:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like that Plan, I think many people in Canada would like that program !
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 3:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Winston2004 wrote:
No... As an ex-military I say NO


As a current serving member I say NO!!
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Craig wrote:
I propose the service more of a way to teach our young people discipline and responsibility (not to mention a good work ethic). Those attributes are sorely missing these days.


So not really out of need but because Canadians en mass nowadays are jerks? And serving in the Military will teach responsibility?

While we are at it, I think that Canadians in all Provinces should have to re-qualify for their drivers license with a drivers test at least every ten years so that people know better then to change lanes in an intersection and stop passing on the right on a 400 series highway, but the reality is that it will never happen.

This is generally a means to teach young Canadians life skills that their parents omitted to teach and not really of overall great benefit to the Military, and a lesson I have no interest teaching on the tax payers dime.

We are basically advocating nothing more then a socialist means of state funded education, because the reality is that there is no way that ever able bodied Canadian would simply be dropped into infantry training as I would suspect there is not the room or the resources to train the mass amount of people simply to have them serve for a year and then off they would go.

I am sure if this system was put into place it would be much like the European systems which in large part have been dismantled where you can pick which area you would like to be trained within and then in theory use those skills once you are done with your service.

As far as I am concerned that is nothing more then a Quebec Style CEGEP program with a Military Edge, I am not in favor of fully subsidized post secondary education therefore I have little interest in this repackaged in camo fully subsidized post secondary education.

I will pass on that.

As for Military folks having more respect and responsibility, I think it really does depend and I think length of service has a lot to do with that, I greatly doubt a year would make that large of a difference in most peoples way of life. From personal experience many of the ex military folk that work within my industry are not individuals I would consider to be any more or less responsible or discipled then the average person. Some are, some are not,

We can't go around shaking our fists at every long haired teenager who has a Green Party Logo and Marijuana Leaf on their backpack and force them to become Conservative by jamming them into the Military for a year.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 5:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The military should be voluntary, except under extreme circumstances like a world war.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 6:11 pm    Post subject: Milirtary Service Reply with quote

Cosmostein
The military does not replace good parenting, but it does add to ones life skills in a way very few institutions can. The military is a living history of Canada, and to be part of it - if only for a year - can only help enhance a persons understanding of what Canada is and what where she came from. (It's one thing to read about our history, itís quite another to be a part of it.) No, there would be no benefit to the military; the military is there to serve - not to seek benefits. Such a program would be extra work for the military and the benefit would be to our Country (my opinion). As for a type of program, the first thing that comes to my mind would be some winter survival training then up to Baffin Island for a couple weeks, followed by a sovereignty patrol under the care of the Canadian Rangers, and finally a helicopter insertion to Hans Island to see if those pesky Danes are messing about. NDP, Liberal, Green Party and Conservatives welcome; hair cuts not required, but the grass will have to be put on the shelf for a while (kinda out of place in the Arctic anyhow). Cheers... Barry
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the military consumes money and resources but doesnt produce much (well it does morally and physically maybe, but it sucks money). I can understand why south korea has maditory service but I dont feel its needed in Canada.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 7:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

FascistLibertarian
A military costs money, and the investment returns are - to some - intangible; but to others peace, freedom and a secure home are pretty good value-for-money. The military is a insurance policy for our way of life - our Country - and like an insurance policy, you donít really appreciate it unless there is a need for it. So, cancel the insurance? (scrap the military) Lower the level insurance ?(cut back the military) Raise the deductable? (accept a higher number of soldiers' deaths) - as a free citizen you can vote as you wish to this end. But please remember, the CF serves in Canada as much as abroad (Manitoba Floods, Ice Storm Ottawa to name two, and the Olypics are just around the corner). A well trained, manned, motivated and equipped military is a great investment. Cheers... Barry
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 8:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Barry I 100% agree with you and do favour an increased military. That being said I dont think having everyone serve is needed or a good use of resourses, esp if its only for a year.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 8:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sweden recruits 18 year olds to serve for 2 years. They feel it's necessary to serve when you are a country with a small population. I don't think this would fly in Canada though. It smacks too much like conscription. On the bright side, the Swedes get a pretty good education out of it.
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