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PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 12:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes this one is supposed to be about guns, and I'll respect that. Now respect this CC SCOTT. You know how black guys sometimes refer to each other as "nigga" and its acceptable for them to do that, but if a white guy like me walked up and said that it would be offensive to them and probably earn me a deserved punch in the mouth?

Its kinda like that when canna people talk to each other and call each other potheads and laugh about it. That is ok. It is not ok for you to self righteously refer to people who use Cannabis as potheads. We are a highly persecuted culture throughout the world, state sponsered persecution, and you come off as a bigot when you use the word pothead as a modified racial slur.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 1:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Suggest that this be moved to 'hot topics'.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 2:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So what's best here? A deranged maniac somehow obtains a gun and uses it in the worst possible way. (I'm not sure what the best possible way would be).

Do we:

1. Make it easier for ALL of us to get guns so we can defend ourselves from everyone else who has a gun?

2. Make it harder for ALL of us to get guns so that it will be harder for lunatics to use guns on us?

3. Arm SOME of us to protect the rest of us from lunatics?

4. Yak about the pros and cons of a gun registry that probably wouldn't have done squat in a case like this either way.

5. Shall we celebrate all the good and that guns do for society? Shall we hiss on all the bad?

Or what?

Something like this is completely random. And using this case to promote or antagonize the idea of gun control is pointless. The fact is that guns exist in our society and so long as they do, these lightning strikes will continue to happen every once in a while. .
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 2:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Something like this is completely random. And using this case to promote or antagonize the idea of gun control is pointless. The fact is that guns exist in our society and so long as they do, these lightning strikes will continue to happen every once in a while.


Agreed. However, this won't stop people from politicizing the issue. In the coming weeks, this may be the best statement the government can make to the public.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 7:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DrGreenthumb wrote:
We are a highly persecuted culture throughout the world, state sponsered persecution, and you come off as a bigot when you use the word pothead as a modified racial slur.


lol... i'm sorry, i'm as pro-drug as the next guy, but thats just plain funny.

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Something like this is completely random. And using this case to promote or antagonize the idea of gun control is pointless. The fact is that guns exist in our society and so long as they do, these lightning strikes will continue to happen every once in a while.


agreed, i hope this is what harper will say as well when addressing the issue.

--steve
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 10:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When it comes down to it, a gun is simply a tool. Like all tools, you need to know how to use it. If saws were banned, people would simply find other ways to cut wood, or use illegal saws; likewise with guns and their uses. Does anyone know who this person was yet? Some social bullied outcast? An eco-terrorist? Any idea of the motives yet?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 11:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The gun registry isn't going to stop psycho's from obtaining semi-automatic rifles and storming a bunch of innocent people any more that it is going to stop gangs and thugs from shooting each other and innocent bystanders with pistols.

It was a waste of money when they introduced it, and it remains that way today. Gun violence hasn't gone down at all...

In fact, I think episodes such as this demonstrate just how ineffective the registry really is..
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 11:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The 25-year-old gunman, who carried an automatic rifle and two other guns -- which were all legally registered firearms -- was shot dead as he tried to leave the school.

CTV link

Well, I guess that is the answer to the question of whether or not the gun registry helped in this situation. I thought automatic weapons were prohibited?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 11:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DrGreenthumb wrote:
We are a highly persecuted culture throughout the world, state sponsered persecution, and you come off as a bigot when you use the word pothead as a modified racial slur.


You and every other person who wants a little attention...

I can see the headlines now:

"3rd annual vancouver pot pride week kicks off, frito-lay stock skyrockets"

won't anyone think of the poor pothead?

and now back to our original topic...
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 11:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Well, I guess that is the answer to the question of whether or not the gun registry helped in this situation. I thought automatic weapons were prohibited?
Supporters of the gun registry in such situations believe it might be useful in cleaning up the details of the story - where they got the gun, etc. For example, if it were in the final analysis connected to some sort of hate group, they might be able to monitor the transfer or ownership of weapons among the group. Or, for example, if there was some sort of tip-off that the guy was preparing to do it, the police would almost certainly call up his name on the registry to see what kind of weapons he had available. If there are other suspects involved, and/or had they left their guns on the scene, then it might also help in the investigation. The cost v. benefit could be argued, as I did, but the police do tend to make use of any additional resource given to them, as all bureaucracies do.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 11:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DrGreenthumb wrote:
Yes this one is supposed to be about guns, and I'll respect that. Now respect this CC SCOTT. You know how black guys sometimes refer to each other as "nigga" and its acceptable for them to do that, but if a white guy like me walked up and said that it would be offensive to them and probably earn me a deserved punch in the mouth?

Its kinda like that when canna people talk to each other and call each other potheads and laugh about it. That is ok. It is not ok for you to self righteously refer to people who use Cannabis as potheads. We are a highly persecuted culture throughout the world, state sponsered persecution, and you come off as a bigot when you use the word pothead as a modified racial slur.

A racial slur?! Get off of it.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 11:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kwlafayette wrote:
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The 25-year-old gunman, who carried an automatic rifle and two other guns -- which were all legally registered firearms -- was shot dead as he tried to leave the school.

CTV link

Well, I guess that is the answer to the question of whether or not the gun registry helped in this situation. I thought automatic weapons were prohibited?

I think it was a semi-automatic weapon. And if you got to http://www.cfc-cafc.gc.ca/info.....mp;p_e.asp it says that semi-automatic weapons that can be converted into fully automatic are prohibited in Canada along with automatic weapons.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 12:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

All the weapons he had were restricted weapons. That means that he could not have legally possessed them without the express permission of the Quebec police, and he would have had to meet some very intense scrutiny and licensing requirements. If they were legal weapons, and I haven't heard this yet from any official source, then the Quebec police screwed up badly. It's very hard to imagine that this guy could have met all those requirements, or even cursory scrutiny by the police.

In any event, the gun registry has nothing to do with it. These were restricted weapons, which will always be required to be registered. The political fight is over the registration of unrestricted weapons, like normal sporting rifles and shotguns.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There was talk of scapegoats in another thread. I think we found it. Go & blame the evil gun owners for the actions of this psycho,
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 4:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Since this tragedy appears to be have been carried out using a semi-automatic weapon, i've always wanted to know why these are at all legal in Canada?? I'm all for legal gun owners & hate the gun registry with a passion, but there's a difference b/w what is essentially a military weapon & something you use for hunting or even a handgun for self-defence. Can someone who is a gun enthusiast why these are legal & should remain so??
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