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FascistLibertarian





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PostPosted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 9:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the UK and Iran are not at war currently!
Neither side probably wants a war.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 11:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

FascistLibertarian wrote:
the UK and Iran are not at war currently!
Neither side probably wants a war.


If we wait with Iran until they do have a nuke [i'm not convinced they haven't one already] we shall regret it. What shall it take to make the free world act - to stop what the Iranian regime has planned...
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 11:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay these are two (interrelated I know) DIFFERENT issues.
If it turns into a shooting war then we might as well try and destroy their nuclear facilities.
But the first concern of the UK is getting their sailors back.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 12:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The UK should have already moved a large fleet into the area. If they have not, then the decision has already been made to back down. Any word on how the British Navy is deployed? If they do not have major force moving towards the Gulf, then I guess the British will be the surrender monkeys of the new century. The ultimatum should already have been given, and a deadline set. Strongly worded letters will only take you so far.

The longer this goes on, the more likely that the UK has already given up.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 12:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fascistlibertarian, the West has backed down from every shooting war for at least the past 3 decades. We show every indication of abandoning the Iraqi and Afghan people as the Vietnamese and other have been abandoned. Why wouldn't Iran pick a fight with the West? Lets just call a spade a spade here. They see us, collectively, as effeminate and weak; and they are right. Pick 100 men out of a crowd. How many do you think would intervene if they saw a crime taking place? How many would try to help if they saw a woman being attacked? How many would have the stomach to see a half dozen body bags coming back from some war on foreign soil?

Islam is like climate change, we can't stop it; we don't have the will. Since we can't stop it, we might as well adapt ourselves to dhimitude. It would be different if even a quarter of us were willing to stand up for freedom.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 6:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it's time we send Iran a message. Mess with us, we will put you back to the stone age!
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 10:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So you want to attack them?
With what?
are we talking a "surgical strike"?
Using air worked really well during Kosovo but not during this summers war.
Are we talking sending in ground troops an occupying the country?

You make me seem like a coward because I do not want to have an overly agressive response.
I am happy we are not in a war, war should be a last resort.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 1:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, not surgical strikes. Surgical strikes have been tried, some have worked some have failed. Each time new leaders, even more radical and powerful than before have arisen. The mullahs have been poking us for decades, and have yet to be seriously bloodied. Their cause has had nothing but victory for the past 4 decades; the Iran hostage crisis was decisively in their favor. I would call for all out war but collectively we do not possess the will to carry through; they would not even have to fight we would defeat ourselves. Logically, the only path left to us, if we carry on down this path, is to convert or die. Failing that, we have to work on becoming a virtuous and good society as we were in the past. I don't really see that happening though. If you haven't guessed, I am of the opinion that the Western world is in a rapid decline.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 6:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As I said on my site, I think the British response should have been:
1. Effective immediately all Iranian diplomats be expelled from the U.K
2. Effective immediately all Iranian assets in the U.K be seized
These two conditions should remain in effect until such time as the British prisoners are freed. If these conditions do not produce the desired result within an agreed time frame then yes I think a military response is warranted.

What surprised me was the inaction of the HMS Cornwall.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 11:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This happened before a couple of years ago. The British response was pretty weak that time, and the crisis wound down pretty quick with the release of the Britons in 3 days. This time it looks like the Iranians will be bolder than before.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 1:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This time, the West must be more bold, because if we do nothing, Iran will just keep pushing, until it's too late.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 5:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Asked to comment after the price spike, the U.S. Navy said there was nothing to substantiate a rumour of an Iran strike on a U.S. ship, and the White House said there was nothing to indicate any incident taking place regarding Iran.
http://business.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=479292007

So, looks like the rumor mill is operating at full capacity. If there was strike, I expect the US reaction would be no stronger than the British one.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 5:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I remember the Falklands war. After that, I would never have thought that one day, the words "milquetoast" and "British Navy" would be connected.

I was reading a story about Australians may also be hostage targets. Somehow, I can't imagine Iran risking what would surely be a more robust response from a less effeminate commonwealth nation.

http://www.news.com.au/heralds.....63,00.html
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 5:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't mess with Australia; they don't take crap from anyone.

Iran must be put is its place sooner, rather than later.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Also Tuesday, Foreign Secretary Margaret Beckett called Iran's foreign minister for the second time and demanded the Britons' swift release in ``very robust terms'', the Foreign Office said.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,,-6512691,00.html

ROFLMAO!!!!

The UK has officially become a joke.

PS. This is surreal. Can you imagine, you go down to the local recruiter to join the British Navy, and you hear about this? "If you are captured by the enemy, well we will telephone them! In the stoingest possible language we will demand your immediate release, and if you are not promptly released, well sir, then we will get serious and telephone them again!"
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