[truth4freedom]

Is Nicklan the resident nihilist?

[Craig]

[Mac]

[FascistLibertarian]

why would either of those countries reduce greenhouse gas emissions though. It makes no sense for them to do so. Yet people want us to.
sigh.

[Nicklan]

That is why I purpose Western Standards for Western Markets, if China and India want to sell their wares in the Western Markets then they should have to meet our Western Standards. Standards for steel production for example nearly all of that 480 million tons of steel that China will make this year is produced using the Blast Furnace. All of that steel can be made with modern processes that produce only a fraction of the polution.
But we can not hold the Chinese or Indians to any standards that we are not willing to meet ourselfs. Standards are our only choice, standards for the processes, standards for workers and human rights !Start with these!

[Ravon]

One of the truths is that jobs trump the environment always has always will. And that is too bad because we are killing ourselves in the process but at least we are working. I could never understand the point of view that no matter what crap we spewed into the air, the water, or buried in our land mother nature would take care of it and protect us from our stupidity. It never did make sense and it never will. Go on up to Ft McMurray and take a deep breath. A friend of mine just returned from Uganda where his church was building houses. He said the pollution in the big cities was staggering, but the African in this documentary said global warming was a plot to kill the African dream um. I'll go with my friend the doctor who I know would rather cut his tongue out than lie. Governing a country will require us to take our integrity to a new level of courageous honesty. This will require us to crawl out of the pocket of big business and be accountable to the people. What a change we can make.

[plantguy]

I think there is a mutual ground between tree huggers and conservatives that is being overlooked. Virtually all of the U.S.'s and much of eastern Canada's oil and gas is imported. Often the source of these imports is from some pretty nasty and hostile places (Iran, Russia, Nigeria and Venuzula come to mind) We often have to make some pretty unsavory accomodations for these clowns in order to keep the oil flowing.By reducing our consumption we can become more reliant on domestic supplies. This won't affect Canada's exports to the U.S. We are a stble and non-threatning country and would be their supplier of choice. Also, it is unlikely that we will nationalize our oil fields and throw U.S. companies out the door like Venuzula recently did.

[Craig]

An extra hour of bonus material not included in the original...

http://video.google.com/videop.....9470628258

[Mac]

Thanks for posting this up!!

-Mac

[the silent platform]

here is a question i just got asked on a msg board, hoping you guys can help me out with a decent answer, as i am swamped right now and dont have time to rant on and on to this guy:

"here's the deal, steve:
if you can find a peer-reviewed report or paper that is in the same league as the IPCC report [which was produced by 600+ authors in 40 countries, and reviewed by 600+ experts and governments] that claims that the temperature of the earth is NOT increasing due to human activity, then i think you'll have an argument. or, rather, your argument will have the same weight of scientific expertise and rigor behind it as ours does."

thanks in advance for your help, hahahh

--steve

[Craig]

[don muntean]

[Bill_in_Calgary]

Do a search on isohunt.com.

[Craig]

[Bill_in_Calgary]

Planting the seed for months around the world. Always takers so the interest is there. I sow 3 varieties of seed. Keep up the fight.

Good source of info on specific papers and such is friendsofscience.org.

Bill