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winchry





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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 9:25 pm    Post subject: Cheap Easy Way to cut Energy! Reply with quote

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/Arti.....ub=QPeriod

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The Ottawa MP is planning to present private-member's legislation to Parliament in an attempt to effectively phase out the sale and use of incandescent lightbulbs in favour of energy-efficient bulbs, such as compact fluorescents.


I find this idea great. Why should we still be buying incandescent bulbs that use more energy. Old habits die hard and we need laws like these to really start the transition to moreenergy effecient products. There is no negative to this becasue long-term it cuts the cost of energy, even if the bulb costs more in the first place. Now if only the Conservatives would start being progressive on the environment like this:-)
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 9:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've heard concerns over mercury...
but I've also heard that there is a lot of mercury used in production of incandescents.

anyone have any insight?
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 12:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

biggie wrote:
I've heard concerns over mercury...
but I've also heard that there is a lot of mercury used in production of incandescents.

anyone have any insight?


Mercury-smercury! It's CO2 that'll kill us all!
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 1:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

An interesting read...

http://www.abc.net.au/science/.....853382.htm

There is always a silver lining isn't there. Isn't Mercury silver?
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 12:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Craig wrote:
An interesting read...

http://www.abc.net.au/science/.....853382.htm

There is always a silver lining isn't there. Isn't Mercury silver?


Mercury and Silver are base elements, both found on the periodic table.

Since they are 'elemental' they cannot be composed of each other.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 1:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stephen wrote:
Craig wrote:
An interesting read...

http://www.abc.net.au/science/.....853382.htm

There is always a silver lining isn't there. Isn't Mercury silver?


Mercury and Silver are base elements, both found on the periodic table.

Since they are 'elemental' they cannot be composed of each other.


It was a joke. Mercury is the color silver - thus mercury is the "silver lining" - nevermind, bad joke.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 12:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't have a problem with making our homes more energy efficient but the whole screaming "sky is falling" bullshit has to stop.

-Mac
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 1:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Craig wrote:
Stephen wrote:
Craig wrote:
An interesting read...

http://www.abc.net.au/science/.....853382.htm

There is always a silver lining isn't there. Isn't Mercury silver?


Mercury and Silver are base elements, both found on the periodic table.

Since they are 'elemental' they cannot be composed of each other.


It was a joke. Mercury is the color silver - thus mercury is the "silver lining" - nevermind, bad joke.


D'oh!
ebolablue





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PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 11:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Government has no place in the lightbulbs of this nation.

don't ban things, make them more financially feasable. Manipulate the market, don't just simply ban things you don't like. Subsidize the makers of the more energy efficient light bulbs so that they're cheaper when sold, and people will buy them.
kwlafayette





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PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 11:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The one question nobody ever seems to ask; if it is so cheap, and so easy, why haven't people already done it? Without government intervention? One notes that no legislation was required to make people stop riding horses, and switch to cars...
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 2:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Has the extra resouces needed to produce the CF bulbs been taken into consideration? I have several of these in my home in hopes that my electricity bill will go down, but I have been using flourescent for years to keep my electricity usage down. If they could be used in all applications, like outdoor light fixtures, and they can be proven to use fewer resources from creation through use to degradation, perhaps more would pay the higher cost.

The benefit of legislation is that it can be used to affect how the government uses resources while not hindering the general public. This would increase demand and thus lower the cost of each individual bulb over time as more suppliers come online.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 12:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, Canada is banning the incandescent light bulb now, as you wanted. It is just too bad that there is now no further reason to advance the technology and make them any better; the government has chosen the winner, and the competition is banned. I expect that CFLs will stay pretty much as efficient as they are today, with little research going into making them better, and no reason to lower prices. That is what a monopoly does for you.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 7:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A monoply of style does not mean a monoply of product. There will still be many companies competing for the top spot in cfl. If only a single manufacturer has all the patents, like Armana (sp?) has all the patents for bottom mounted referigerators, then competition takes a hit. There are several styles of cfl, so I am not convinced that development will end.

My main trouble with this law, other than its limiting freedom of choice, is that there are many applications where incandescent do better. What about fixtures into which cfl cannot fit? What about outside lights in the dead of winter? Has anyone made a cfl that can be used in ovens or that can take the vibration of ceiling fans? What about mini green houses that benefit from the increased spectrum offered by having both cfl and incandescent?

The best way is for the feds to legislate that they will get rid of incandescent bulbs in their buildings and leave the rest of us alone. That would increase the market share of cfl enough to drop the prices, and would still let us have our choice depending on the application.
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