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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 8:05 pm    Post subject: Iranian cyber attack against American movie Reply with quote

Iranian cyber attack against American movie
March 9, 2007 11:42 PM
Tehran, March 11, Taliya News Once again U.S propaganda machine raid another attack against Iran, its culture and civilization through a hateful movie:"300"

"300" is the name of an irresponsible, unethical and unscientific movie which portraits Persian Empire kings and soldiers as monsters and animals with body-piercing, armors, facial features and demonic behavior that seem to have sprung out from the dungeons of hell.

The inaccurate and derogatory depiction of ancient Persians that according to all historical data conducted warfare with mastery and dignity, and looked nothing like science-fictional monsters, is a depiction of how movie studios and authors sacrifice historical accuracy for would-be profits.

It is a proven scholarly fact that the Persian Empire in 480 B.C was the most magnificent and civilized empire. Established by the Cyrus the great, the writer of the first human right declaration, Persians ruled over significant portions of Greater Iran, the east modern Afghanistan and beyond into central Asia; in the north and west all of Asia Minor (modern Turkey), the upper Balkans peninsula (Thrace), and most of the Black Sea coastal regions; in the west and southwest the territories of modern Iraq, northern Saudi-Arabia, Jordan, Israel, Lebanon, Syria, all significant population centers of ancient Egypt and as far west as portions of Libya. Having twenty nations under control, encompassing approximately 7.5 million square kilometers, unquestionably the Achaemenid Empire was territorially the largest empire of classical antiquity.

Based on the Zoroastrian doctrine, it was the strong emphasis on honesty and integrity that gave the ancient Persians credibility to rule the world, even in the eyes of the people belonging to the conquered nations (Herodotus, mid 5th century B.C). Truth for the sake of truth was the universal motto and the very core of the Persian culture that was followed not only by the great kings, but even the ordinary Persians made it a point to adhere to this code of conduct.

Some Iranians have written 2 petitions against that movie and Warner Brothers Studios (Here and here).

In 2005, Oliver stone, famous American director directed "Alexander" movie and insulted Persian Empire the same way.

Iranian Cyber counter-attack, Smart Google Bombing!

It is obvious that signing petition never force Americans to change their irresponsible behaviors. So an Iranian blogger suggests an interesting idea: Let's bomb the film through Google, in a different and smart way.
In his recent post, He writes down:

300 open today, and like many comic book fans I can't wait to see it for its stunning art. However, like many Persians I'm not thrilled with its portrayal of the great Persian army as barbaric snarling beasts.
In recent days some have talked about different forms of protest to this movie. A better idea (one which I have already proposed on my Persian weblog) might be doing a collaborative art project: 300 from a Persian perspective. Basically I have called upon all Persian artists to submit art with the theme of "ancient Persia", so we can gather all of these in one site and show the world (and comic fans) the face of ancient Persians from our own perspective. And to make sure that the world does really see it, I've orchestrated a campaign to bring up our gallery page to the top of search results (you can call it another Google bombing). The site is 300themovie.info. If you are an artist, or just think the idea is cool you can participate by either submitting your art (email it to submit@300themovie.info), or by helping to bring the page to the top of the rankings by linking to that page on your blog or website. Make sure you ONLY use the phrase "300 the movie" to link to it, like this: 300 the movie.
So, let's shake our body and show the world that Iranians never let anybody in the globe to insult them and falsify the history.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good for them - it's a semidemocratic way of disagreeing with someone. I much prefer it to jacking up the price of oil, or launching nukes...
PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 2:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

300 the movie will not be on the list of crappy movies I want to waste my money on and I encourage others not to spend their hard-earned money on that too.

The truth is that Spartan society left nothing behind but stories of its vicious battles. No art, no knowledge, no invention, nothing to enlighten the future men came from Sparta- only the clash of arms and violence. Sparta was overwhelmed in the end by an outside world Spartans couldn't even begin to understand because of their culture's innate xenophobia and hatred.

That so-called Spartan courage had no impact on the Persian army. The Persians took losses, but kept right on down the Greek coast to Athens and burned it in one piece. What stopped the Persians was the subterfuge of Themistocles and the Athenian navy at the naval battle of Salamis which was quite a small loss for Persia.

As for "the whole of Spartan society," what else is there to say? Sparta was a totalitarian and aristocrat community well over 20 centuries before the term was even invented, suppressing a vast helotry. (It also systematized homosexuality to a degree unknown in any other society) And, again, it created nothing to enlighten men who would come after- which is exactly what is meant by culture, no?
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 10:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I loved it! One of the best action movies I have ever seen.

I love movies that depict historical elements, if its done right it makes you want to go there and fight with them :)

Who cares if its historicaly inaccurate it was a great movie, amazing special effects, and some CRAZY battles!
Movies are movies, there are movies which i refuse to watch(ie. jackass) but this movie was purely meant to entertain and WOW did it ever!
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 12:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not going to see it because of historical accuracy...

I'm going to go see it because it looks sweet lol
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 12:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm now going to see it to piss off the Iranian government...

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 12:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd like to see it. But I'm concerned about how gory it is. Since mbennett has seen it, perhaps he could give me some insight.

I don't fret at the sight of blood on screen, but if the movie boils down to 2 hours of limb hacking and eye-pocking, then I'm not sure if it would hold my interest.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 12:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd beg to differ, on some points. Firstly though, noone, producers and writer included, is promoting 300 as an accurate portrayal of history. Its a movie inspired by graphic novel inspired by a movie inspired by the mythology of a battle that occured over 1,000 years ago.

That said, I believe you have a grave misunderstanding of the influence and effect of the Battle of Thermopylae. An alliance of Greek Nations stood for 3 days, eventually holding a mountain pass with 300 Spartans and 700 Thespians, against an overwhelming force of as many as 2 millon troops, in order to allow the major portion of their army to retreat.

The direct consequence of this stand was the successful evacutation of Athens, and Greek victory at the naval battle of Salamis, forcing Xerxe's retreat. The remaining Persian army was crushed at Plataea. In short, the defense at Thermopylae was a crucial point in repelling the invasion.

The legacy of the battle continues to this day in Western military doctrine - it is the textbook example of how courageous, disciplined, highly skilled troops can stand against, and inflict great casualties upon, a far larger force (The 'kill ratio' of the battle was almost 20:1). I'd bet you there isn't an NCO or Officer in any western land forces that are unfamiliar with that battle.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 2:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We only ever get the Greeks view of all this though. Whenever you only get one sides view you need to be very careful and when this is the ancient world this is much more of a problem! The histories are a Greek centred view of the world and the clash of western civilization with the east is way over blown.
I will see the movie as I think it looks good but what gets me in the comic is all this talk of "freedom" when Sparta was one of the least free socities.
I agree with Winston but I feel the reason the Spartans fell was because in the end they (similar to the Japanese) failed to alter faulty tactics after Thebes beat them because they blamed failure on a lack of "will" (ie an internal cause) rather than the situation (an external cause)
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 3:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I actually agree that the ultimate demise of Spartan culture was due to, well, their culture. Their system of citizenship, and harshly socialist, slave-powered economy led to an internal collapse - their military defeat was really more a symptom of those problems, IMO.

As far as the lens of history goes, many of the accounts were written by Greeks who had no extrordinary feeling, or even possessed intense dislike, for the Spartans, and what little archaelogical evidence exists supports the history of the battle as the Western world knows it.

I won't get into comparisons of the cultures of Sparta vs the Persian Empire - suffice to say the Greek soldiers who volunteered to stay and fight were likely free-er men than those they fought.
PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 4:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cerl7011 wrote:
I'm now going to see it to piss off the Iranian government...

erl


Iranian history and heritage has nothing to do with the current Iranian gov't, dude
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 9:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A high ranking Iranian official on Sunday had about as many complaints over the film "300" as there are rippling biceps in the fictitious movie. The advisor to President Ahmadinejad condemned "300" for "insulting" the Persian civilization, local Fars News Agency reported.

Javad Shamqadri, an art advisor to President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, accused the new movie of being "part of a comprehensive U.S. psychological war aimed at Iranian culture", according to a report in Xinhua People's daily online news.

"Following the Islamic Revolution in Iran, Hollywood and cultural authorities in the U.S. initiated studies to figure out how to attack Iranian culture," Shamqadri added "certainly, the recent movie is a product of such studies."

Shamqadri, who Xinhua cites is also a filmmaker, said that Iranian film production portraying Iranian achievements is a proper response to movies like "300".

"300," an an epic of the Battle of Thermopylae in Greek history, that has been embellished and based on comic book writer Frank Miller's graphic novel. It also set new box office records this weekend.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 9:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chuckercanuck has a hilarious take on this: "Interview with Xerxes on 300"
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 8:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What is so bad bout a movie that is based on History I watched the Movie and i was not offended by it.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 10:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The problem some people have is
1) the movie is not based at ALL on history
2) the historical record we have only includes Greek views of the event, we never got to hear the Persian side of things
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