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PostPosted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 9:18 am    Post subject: terrorism Reply with quote

you people actually think guys like bin laden and his ilk are human? gimme a break. nothing on earth could possibly justify what they believe or do! thay are no more deserving of human rights than your average mollusk! we're losing this war because bleeding hearts insist on affording these animals "human rights."
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 11:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with your sentiment . . .being from the U.S.(Etats Unis), we understand it personally. But i cannot help but feeling that this is the way most liberals(Liberals, NDP, Greens, Dumocrats) view us conservatives. they barely consider us humans, b'cuz they do not understand how we could disagree with liberal propaganda. But we need to understand just how these mideast zealots think, or not think. They have been indoctrinated with fascist ideaology, and their religion is given to such violence and hate(I hve a copy of the Qur'an). Technically, they are human, but the social & cultural divide between the west and muslim mideast is enormous! just a thought
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 11:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They are human. Though I believe in the death penalty for people like this I still believe that they deserve basic human rights. People on this forum generally don't support the radical action that you purpose our government to take.

Your argument that they "are not human" seems very racist to me.
We are trying to show the Muslim world that there is a better way then tyranny and oppression, that is, democracy. Giving terrorists the right to trial, as well as the right to defend themselves is essential to the war on terror that we are waging.

The terrorists are fighting against democracy, and freedom. They don't want people to have the right to a fair trial, or the right to free speech.
Haven't we let them won if we don't give them the basic rights in which any Canadian would get?
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 12:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Democracy and Islam are incompatible. i agree with you about the terrorists being human and deserving to be treated as such. I think his comment was born out of frustration and a little fear. fear less of the terrorists and more of our countrymen who want to hog-tie us and prevent us from fully defending ourselves. I am really afraid of it too. 'the Enemy within', as Michael Savage puts it. But it will be a war of religions here, soon. As long as the qur'an and muslim teaching stays the same, democracy is not likely. They do not believe in freedom. it will take generations to get the mind of the majority of MUSLIMS to catch up with democratic ideals, and thanks to liberal/socialists we are loosing our desire for them too, although we are still told it is democracy. Anyone ver read the book '1984'? I'm sure most of you. I am only reading it now, anddoes it sound famiiar. Newspeak and Doublespeak.

War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 1:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have just read the 1st 'Terrorism' thread and I agree with MightyT. he is not being racist, he is being realistic. We are embroiled in a war of religions, whether we like it our not. it is Islam vs. the world, starting with Israel and the U.S. if you do not believe me(Islam vs. the whole world), ask China and India and Sudan. certainly not outposts of great western friendship, but targets nonetheless. Muslims are not afraid of death the way we westerners are now. it is an honour for them to die in the name of Allah. So the only way we can deter them is to use the laws of Islam against them. Pigs are filthy animals in Jewish and Muslim teaching, and if Muslims come close they could lose their chance at heaven. this will scare them, not our bombs and bullets. Muslims certainly do not treat christianity or any other religion with the respect we our taught to treat them. they chop off the heads of our soldiers to prevent them reaping spiritual rewards. We really need to educate ourselves about Islam. Our western views and mores just may not be applicable to them. they don't understand or value them in the least. MightyT is not being racist or bigoted at all.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 3:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maranatha07 wrote:
I have just read the 1st 'Terrorism' thread and I agree with MightyT. he is not being racist, he is being realistic. We are embroiled in a war of religions, whether we like it our not. it is Islam vs. the world, starting with Israel and the U.S. if you do not believe me(Islam vs. the whole world), ask China and India and Sudan. certainly not outposts of great western friendship, but targets nonetheless. Muslims are not afraid of death the way we westerners are now. it is an honour for them to die in the name of Allah. So the only way we can deter them is to use the laws of Islam against them. Pigs are filthy animals in Jewish and Muslim teaching, and if Muslims come close they could lose their chance at heaven. this will scare them, not our bombs and bullets. Muslims certainly do not treat christianity or any other religion with the respect we our taught to treat them. they chop off the heads of our soldiers to prevent them reaping spiritual rewards. We really need to educate ourselves about Islam. Our western views and mores just may not be applicable to them. they don't understand or value them in the least. MightyT is not being racist or bigoted at all.


You're throwing around the word "Muslim" as if you believe this to be true of every single person of that faith. Gross generalization there...

and... for the record... "bigot" is defined as "One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ."
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 3:13 pm    Post subject: terrorism Reply with quote

this is in response to mbennett. these terrorists do not fear democracy, indeed they are learning to embrace it (and this is where george bush has gotten it ALL wrong). they now realize that democracy is the most effective and fastes way they can come to power (see Hezbollah). because these religious nutbars have been brainwashing children in the middle east for a few generations now, democracry is the easiest way for them to gain control! the western world has for too long willfully ignored what the hell has been happening that unfortunately most countries in the middle east will soon fall under their "spell."
mark my words, that day will soon come when, unfortunately, 'civilian casualties' will become a necessity in this war!
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 3:15 pm    Post subject: terrorism Reply with quote

to stephentaylor: have you read the koran?
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 3:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm really on Stephen's side on this one, we have many Muslim members of our great party, in fact in my riding of Saskatoon-Humboldt, we but up over 25 CPC signs on Muslim property.

The first Muslim elected to parliament was a conservative, I feel as if the CPC has a real connection to Islam. We stand up to radical Islam, and a great example of this was this summer when Stephen Harper bravely defended our Israeli friends from Hezbollah.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 3:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To Stephen,
To those that are genuine adherents, both sunni and shiite, the Koran spells it out pretty convincingly. it tells the muslim person not to be friends with infidels(non-muslims) and it also says that it is o.k. to lie to and deceive the infidels if you are doing it for Allah and his greater good. It also says to not strike a pledge with infidels, only their subjugation to Islam will only bring true peace. If you want reference to the surahs(verses) i will search them for you, but i won't bother now.

Some muslims, like christians, are muslims out of cultural or family loyalty and others out of fear of death. No muslim is permiited to leave Islam once they have converted to it. most assuredly they will be cut-off from their family and even killed. Unlike christianity. This is the correct beliefs of a faithful adherent to Islam. So am i generalizing?

Now, about the word 'Bigot'. I believe your definition is closer to the dictionary definition, your are right in that instance. i was using it in the more familiar, PC way of it being used as a general slur. i am sorry for the confusion.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 8:13 pm    Post subject: terrorism Reply with quote

has anyone else seen the movie "obsession: radical islam's war against the west?"
you can hear and see for yourself what they preach and believe from their own mouths.
a real eye opener!!!!!!
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 8:17 pm    Post subject: Re: terrorism Reply with quote

mightyt wrote:
has anyone else seen the movie "obsession: radical islam's war against the west?"
you can hear and see for yourself what they preach and believe from their own mouths.
a real eye opener!!!!!!


yes, but you just can't say "all muslims are X"

It's an easy model to follow... you can't say that "all X are Y"... it's a gross generalization that is unfair to some members of X that aren't Y.

I'm just asking you to respect the difference.

Oh, and to answer your question... I have the DVD.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 8:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yes stephan, i know that all muslims are not radicals. my point is that this has been going on in the middle east for at least a couple of generations now. this hatred is being preached in their mosques, schools, television shows and mass media, so that even if 10% of muslims in the middle east believe the propaganda, you're talking 30 to 40 million people.
truth be told, the nazi party of germany never achieved any more than about 20% popularity and look at the damage they caused. one only needs a fifth or a sixth of a population, if the rest remain silent or acquiesce (i think i spelled that right).
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 8:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mightyt wrote:
yes stephan, i know that all muslims are not radicals. my point is that this has been going on in the middle east for at least a couple of generations now. this hatred is being preached in their mosques, schools, television shows and mass media, so that even if 10% of muslims in the middle east believe the propaganda, you're talking 30 to 40 million people.
truth be told, the nazi party of germany never achieved any more than about 20% popularity and look at the damage they caused. one only needs a fifth or a sixth of a population, if the rest remain silent or acquiesce (i think i spelled that right).


ok, then... finally, to rationalize my response to your original post...

to put the body of a dead muslim terrorist in the body of a pig as "punishment" or as a "deterrent" is offensive to peaceful muslims who would see such an act as disgraceful and exploitive of their own religious sensibilities. It would also be offensive to non-muslims who would see the state carry out a barbarous and disgusting act in their name. I thought that your suggestion was offensive and below the standard of reasonable and intelligent discussion. No offense...
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The biggest problem with Islam is that liberals all over the world turn a blind eye to the disgusting teachings that are occuring in islamic schools and select mosques. Liberals would rather blame the USA than point the finger at middle eastern countries that refuse to act against extremist elements in their midst. These "extremist" elements are becoming more and more mainstream because of the inaction.
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