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atlanticaparty





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PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 12:48 pm    Post subject: The Atlantica Party - a new provincial party Reply with quote

We are a new party present in the four provinces of Atlantic Canada.

You can visit us www.atlanticaparty.ca


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Duck Tory





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PostPosted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 11:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where does this party stand anyway: Right or Left!
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 11:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Duck Tory wrote:
Where does this party stand anyway: Right or Left!

Read their platform, they support free health care, free daycare, free university education. Enuff said everything I mentioned is to the left.
McGuire





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PostPosted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 3:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bloody pipe dream hatched at some South End Halifax cocktail party
Duck Tory





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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 6:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see this party going down the same way as the Nova Scotia Party and others.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 7:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hasdrubal wrote:
Read their platform, they support free health care, free daycare, free university education. Enuff said everything I mentioned is to the left.

Gee... I wonder who gets to pay for all that free stuff? ;)

-Mac
atlanticaparty





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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 10:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Duck Tory wrote:
Where does this party stand anyway: Right or Left!


Please define Right and Left.

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Read their platform, they support free health care, free daycare, free university education. Enuff said everything I mentioned is to the left.


Check again, we have altered some of the wording to better explain.

There is no such thing as 'free health care'. We support whatever arrangement ensures universality, public, mixed or private. To not support that in Atlantic Canada is a no go (as well as being wrong both economically and ethically).

Do you support publically funded grade school education?
biggie





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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 1:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

atlanticaparty wrote:
Duck Tory wrote:
Where does this party stand anyway: Right or Left!


Please define Right and Left.

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Read their platform, they support free health care, free daycare, free university education. Enuff said everything I mentioned is to the left.


Check again, we have altered some of the wording to better explain.

There is no such thing as 'free health care'. We support whatever arrangement ensures universality, public, mixed or private. To not support that in Atlantic Canada is a no go (as well as being wrong both economically and ethically).

Do you support publically funded grade school education?


Defining right and left is useless if you don't already understand the differences..

You support whatever... ? Does that mean you have no real platform, you just want something to change?

Of course I support public-funded grade school education. Your point?
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 8:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Has anyone read their "platform"?...sounds a bit left-wing to me...actually sounds like a regional socialist party...probably going to be a hang out for eastern sepratists and turn into another PQ/BQ...

erl

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atlanticaparty





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PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 7:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Defining right and left is useless if you don't already understand the differences..

Tell me your definition (Authoritarian - Libertarian, Communist - Neo-Liberal, reforming - static, and then I shall answer your question


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You support whatever... ? Does that mean you have no real platform, you just want something to change?


We support universal health care and oppose a health care system inaccessible to even a single citizen. That is our platform. How that is actually structured is a detail for experts who actually know the details.

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Of course I support public-funded grade school education. Your point?


We propose universal daycare, universities and trade schooling. We are derided for this in this thread. So we are asking if public-funded grade schools are ok, then why is, for instance universal daycare, not?
Hasdrubal





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PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 10:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How can you support lower taxes if you advocate for universal daycare? Why should citizens trust the government to look after children? Why should people be complacent with the government?
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 8:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the fact that atlanticaparty is posting basically the exact same things over at babble gives you an idea of where the party might stand.

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We propose universal daycare, universities and trade schooling. We are derided for this in this thread. So we are asking if public-funded grade schools are ok, then why is, for instance universal daycare, not?


Every study in existence(and any sane human being knows) shows that grade-school education is beneficial.

As for universities and trade schools- those are optional and horribly expensive. As it is the costs are subsidized greatly by governments, raising that to free!? no way - people can make a living without university/trade school. The point here is minimums; you have a right to a minimum standard of life(what is achieved with a high-school diploma); what you want to do with that determines how far that takes you. Not to mention that there is a need for unskilled labour in this country as well; in fact, we risk becoming overly educated, leaving us with nobody to do the "dirty" work.

universal daycare does nothing for stay-at-home parents. Parents should have that option, and average citizens should not be paying for other people's kids to spend their time in daycare.

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We support universal health care and oppose a health care system inaccessible to even a single citizen. That is our platform. How that is actually structured is a detail for experts who actually know the details.

So, you could potentially support a 2-tier system?
My point was that if your party wants to win votes, you'll need to hammer out some solutions, not just basic principles. what would you DO if you're elected, not what will you decide once you're there...
atlanticaparty





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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 2:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hasdrubal wrote:
How can you support lower taxes if you advocate for universal daycare?

Why is it an either/or proposition? The cost of universally available daycare depends on the method implementation. Canada's health care system is actually more economically efficient than a non universal system like say the US system. There is no reason to think that daycare would not be the same, what is the economic cost of a child who gets a slow start or a gifted child who is not discovered until later in school? Think of universally available daycare as actually a profitable business case for the region rather than a 'welfare thing'.

The level of taxation depends on what is in the annual budget which depend on a bunch of other things.

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Why should citizens trust the government to look after children?

Again whether it is public or private or a mix is an implementation issue. And daycare is, of course, optional for parents, you don't 'have to' send your kid in. You can do it yourself or hire private tutors etc etc

Although we appreciate the discussion on our social ideas, the social policies are really a distant fourth in terms of priority. We have to have them, imperfect as they may appear, in order to have a well rounded set of policies. So please don't judge us too harshly on them, our real focus is on political and electoral reform.
atlanticaparty





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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 2:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I think the fact that atlanticaparty is posting basically the exact same things over at babble gives you an idea of where the party might stand.


We have started a number of identical threads on 35+ political forums. Some of our responses are duplicated and the rest specific, it depends on the context.

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Every study in existence(and any sane human being knows) shows that grade-school education is beneficial.

As for universities and trade schools- those are optional and horribly expensive. As it is the costs are subsidized greatly by governments, raising that to free!? no way - people can make a living without university/trade school. The point here is minimums; you have a right to a minimum standard of life(what is achieved with a high-school diploma); what you want to do with that determines how far that takes you. Not to mention that there is a need for unskilled labour in this country as well; in fact, we risk becoming overly educated, leaving us with nobody to do the "dirty" work.

universal daycare does nothing for stay-at-home parents. Parents should have that option, and average citizens should not be paying for other people's kids to spend their time in daycare.


Good answer. However it is in everyone's interests to have university/trade schooling available to those who 1) qualify, 2) have talent and 3) are motivated. The fact that someone cannot advance their education because they cannot afford it is an economic cost to society because we are not maximizing our resources.

Again as with daycare, people already pay to have other people's kids go to school. We are making the case that economically universally availabe daycare actually makes sense.

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So, you could potentially support a 2-tier system?

Sure, if it could guarantee no loss in the current standard of universal health care.

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My point was that if your party wants to win votes, you'll need to hammer out some solutions, not just basic principles. what would you DO if you're elected, not what will you decide once you're there...


Thank you. We know. We are looking for interested people to work on just this kind of stuff. Our social policies really are not the focus of the party, our electoral and political reforms are our focus. The social platform is there, as it is, to round out our platform, to ensure that we are not just a single issue party. We agree it needs more work.

Here the pitch. If anyone would be interested in joining the executive, to help build the party, help evolve our policies or just give us advice, we would love to hear from you. You know where to reach us.
Mac





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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 2:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

atlanticaparty wrote:
Tell me your definition (Authoritarian - Libertarian, Communist - Neo-Liberal, reforming - static, and then I shall answer your question

Perhaps you should purchase a dictionary? State your positions or don't but don't expect us to provide meat for your arguments.

atlanticaparty wrote:
We support universal health care and oppose a health care system inaccessible to even a single citizen. That is our platform. How that is actually structured is a detail for experts who actually know the details.

In other words, you have no idea what costs are involved in providing universal health care and have no plan to pay for them. Let's hope the taxpayer well never runs dry if your party ever gets elected.

atlanticaparty wrote:
We propose universal daycare, universities and trade schooling. We are derided for this in this thread. So we are asking if public-funded grade schools are ok, then why is, for instance universal daycare, not?

Universal daycare is a bad idea on several levels but the real issue here is the role of government. Apparently, you believe governments should be involved in the daily lives of citizens from cradle to grave. This is generally referred to as the "Nanny State" and while this concept is greatly embraced by socialists, some of us think socialism is a really really bad idea (just like universal daycare) because we recognize the effect socialism and the Nanny State has on citizens. It destroys initiative and builds a culture of entitlement (sound familiar?) which robs citizens of their independence and freedom.

If you consider yourself derided, perhaps your skin is a bit too thin for politics?

-Mac
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