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Craig
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 9:11 pm    Post subject: Green Party / Liberal Party merger within three weeks Reply with quote

I am now on record with this prediction. Dion will be facing losing a majority to Harper and will pull the trigger on a marriage. He will give May a safe Liberal seat to run in and make other concessions.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 11:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I call bull, not going to happen. The Liberal brand, under Dion is at best moribund; at worst dying. Why saddle yourself with that when your poll numbers are exploding? Plus, the Liberals are far too smug, arrogant, conceited, etc., to admit that anything is actually wrong, or that it is even possible for the natural governing party to lose 2 in a row. May would maybe do it, but the Liberals themselves are far to proud of themselves to let it happen. Just think, how many times do they claim that they are the oldest political party in Canada? How many other useless claims do they make?

The NDP might be considering it though.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 11:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Plus, it completely throws election readiness out the window when the clock is basically ticking with that ill-conceived Pablo bill in Senate. They would have to pick a leader, pick a platform, make party rules, and pick candidates all in record time. Basically the next election could not possibly be contested by a significant number of Liberal/Green candidates.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 12:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't doubt that Dion will try to complete a merger with the greens, but I don't think the Greens will go for it. First, there is the differences on economic policies, plus May's own views on abortion - which fly in the face of what any of the parties advocate.

I think you'll find that the Greens attract a lot of the group that don't want to vote either CPC, or Grit but think that the NDP are far too radically socialist.

I wouldn't see the NDP doing it either - in fact, I've noticed a trend of increasing anti-liberal rhetoric coming from the NDP in the last while.

We shall see though..
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 12:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Regardless, I am going to enjoy the split of the left vote for as long as it lasts. Then if/when any o the parties merge, i am going to say that the NDP took over such and such a party, or how they have a hidden agenda since they don't have a platform yet.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 12:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kwlafayette wrote:
Regardless, I am going to enjoy the split of the left vote for as long as it lasts. Then if/when any o the parties merge, i am going to say that the NDP took over such and such a party, or how they have a hidden agenda since they don't have a platform yet.


Hahahaha, I'm going to say that their leader is scary and eats babies and want's to turn us into a northern western china.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 9:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kwlafayette wrote:
Regardless, I am going to enjoy the split of the left vote for as long as it lasts.


It would definitely be payback for the 1993,1997 and 2000 election when Jean Chretien was pretty much given a free ride due to the right being divided.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 9:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting thought, Craig. I often wondered why the Greens persist running candidates and avoid major party affiliation but I figured them to go to the NDP rather than the Liberals.

-Mac
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I doubt that would happen, the Green party membership would never accept it. These are the people who pushed out their last leader because he was "too rightwing".

However, I could see Dion not running a Liberal against May as part of the tradition of not running candidates against a leader, if she were to run in a byelection. However the odds of that I think are slim. In fact, that very same situation happened a few months ago and they ran a Liberal against her (however that wasn't under Dion).

Personally, I think Dion is an idiot. He makes the environment THE issue and plays footsies with May, then can't figure out why Lib numbers are dropping and the Green party increased to 12% support. Still want May in the debates, Moron?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personally, I'd like to see the Greens stay seperate, join in a coalition with the Tories and May become environment minister...this is going to happen the same time George Bush's approval rating is at 78%...

The Greens are going to win seats...definately...if not this election, then the next (which will be around 3 days after this upcoming one at the rate we're going)...it would be best if they could tag themselves to a party that has a hope of winning...

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 6:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cool Blue wrote:

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However, I could see Dion not running a Liberal against May as part of the tradition of not running candidates against a leader, if she were to run in a byelection.


There was a by-election in London Centre 4 months ago and the Liberals ran a candidate against May.

Dion is actively stealing the green policy book thinking that Canada is populated by a bunch of Leftwing Tree hugging Wackos. This will gain him 2% of the 5% the Greens have in the poles. It will also lose him 10% of his own support because most Canadians are not Leftwing Tree hugging Wackos.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 11:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why would an emerging party that is gaining support all the time shackle itself to the millstone of the floundering Liberals? I agree a marriage of convenience with the NDP would make more sense. It would be preferable for the lefty vote to stay split up though.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 3:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mrsocko wrote:
Cool Blue wrote:

There was a by-election in London Centre 4 months ago and the Liberals ran a candidate against May.



I think it really depends on the situation. Seeing how this is a minority government I think that every seat counts and I can't see any party not run a candidate in a riding that was previously held by that party (It wouldn't make any sense). Stephen Harper was given a free ride by the Liberals because they had a majority and they already knew that they had no chance of winning the riding anyways.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 12:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The problem for the greens are that they do not have a heartland where they can get a majority in some ridings. even with 10 to 15 % support spread thinly across the whole country it is virtually impossible to gain any seats. Both the NDP and BQ manage it by having their heartland areas where their viewpoint has substantial support.

The Greens will at best manage to bleed support away from the Liberals and split the left three ways. I do not see them merging with any parties though. they would be hoping for an election and a push for proportional representation. The greens know they would disappear in a liberal or NDP merger.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 1:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Greens are benefitting hugely from the public's gross ignorance about what the party actually stands for and it's policies. Because of the environmental propaganidist screeching lately "Green" has beecome the :new Black". It is fashionable to be "green". So people think the Green party is the in thing. If these are "Lefties, Socialists or Marxists like Mr. Dion they are in for a huge huge shock.
The Green party is actually on the extreme radical RIGHT. They do not just want LESS government they almost want NO government intrusion into our lives. The environmental stuff is a good calling card and foot in the door. The Green economic and social platform is absolutely out to lunch. I just invite you to go to their site and see for yourself. Also google some of the Green Party sites from other countries where they do hold seats.

That and the fact that Elizabeth May is at present studying for her evangelical degree and has chosen abortion as her thesis and sh freely admits that killing an unborn child is disturbing to her but she knows that stasting publically that she is "Pro-Life" is politically "incorrect" these days tells me Ms. May has already learned how to play the politics of hypocricy.
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