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KPK





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PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 9:47 pm    Post subject: Intensity Targets Again? Reply with quote

Why is Harper still going on about intensity targets for industry and greenhouse gas reductions? Everyone knows that this won't fly with the experts. And no "green" taxes to pay for programs? How is he going to raise the billions necessary to invest in infrastructure and programs? I have a feeling Harper still doesn't get it and there will be an election soon.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Why is Harper still going on about intensity targets for industry and greenhouse gas reductions?

Because, allowing that you believe GW is real, that its human caused, and that Canada can actually do something meaningful about it, it is impossible to lower our net GHG emissions and grow our economy simultaneously.

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I have a feeling Harper still doesn't get it and there will be an election soon...
It's highly unlikely that the Liberals will allow this to happen. This would force them to develop a detailed environmental policy, instead of going on and on about committing to impossible goals, which they seem to be enjoying immensely.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 10:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is important that as Conservatives we try to make the enviroment less worst or whatever. Besides doing it a Canadian way is the best way to curb this GWC mumble jumble since it is nothing more then a smokescreen covering up the worst offenders.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 2:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Intensity targets are only useful in the short term until the necessary infrastructure is in place to sequester emissions. Environmentalists will not be satisfied unless there is a cap on emissions or number of barrels coming from the oil sands.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 2:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fair enough, and while I agree that environmentalists might be satisfied by the Liberals or NDP taking those measures - they won't be satisfied by the Conservatives short of Harper tatooing Kyoto on his forehead and rounding up oil and gas execs into a soviet-style gulag.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 3:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quite frankly, I don't think environmentalists garner much respect from Canadians. In a poll of the most respected professions published in the Globe and Mail, it stated they only have the respect of 39% of Canadians. This despite all the attention on global warming. Firemen,doctors and presumably engineers are way higher up on the list.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 3:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That could be, and it's probably not deserved. I think that part of that has to do with the 'watermelon' phenomenon - many organizations and people look green on the outside, but they're pink(socialist) to the core. Add to that the negative press from big protests and eco-terrorism, as well as the fact that many Canadians are personally involved in resource extraction of some form or another, and you've got a big PR problem.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well no wonder - environmentalist is not a job..

and the first thing you think of is hippies/beatniks or the incredibly annoying David Suzuki. Shudder.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 4:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Awww I kinda like Dave.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 9:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The whole notion with all is lost on TV makes me sick...If i was at that conference i would be telling every imbecile that Ok maybe it's done but Where is the solution and how can we fix it?

Do you all notice these scientist seem to focus on the negative NOT the postive and they seem very anti-conversative towards America and Canada? Any Questions.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 9:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

KPK wrote:
Awww I kinda like Dave.

David Suzuki is a creation of the CBC, just like Mr. Dressup. I used to say they had about the same credibility until I met someone who actually knew Mr. Dressup and that person reassured me that Mr. Dressup was much more credible than Suzuki.

If you wanna like him, go for it but realise that his specialty is genetics, not meteorology or climatology so he is no more qualified as an expert in climate change than Mr. Dressup.

-Mac
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 9:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Everyone assumes he is credible because they watched the Natural of Things when they were little and grew up to trust him.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 1:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

KPK wrote:
Awww I kinda like Dave.


There's your problem, right there... 8)
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 5:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stop picking on Dave!
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 6:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

KPK wrote:
Stop picking on Dave!


No need really, he picks on himself everytime he opens his mouth 8)
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