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PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 9:35 am    Post subject: Harper's letter dismisses Kyoto as 'socialist scheme' Reply with quote

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story.....kyoto.html

Long Story Short,

Liberals have leaked a letter which Harper wrote when he was leader of the CA that refers to Kyoto as:

"job-killing, economy-destroying"

Being perhaps one of the few Canadians that have actually thumbed through the damn thing, I am hard pressed to disagree.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 10:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is nothing more then a fear and smear attack on Harper....Yes he had doubts but that was before the Unite the Right began. However this is a response to the Tories speaking the truth on Dion with the ads.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 10:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The CBC is launching the Liberal attack ads on behalf of the Liberals - and masking them as news stories.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 10:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kyoto is simply welfare on a global scale, that is masked as an Environmental plan,

As I have always said, we need our own plan to address our very unique economy, not a generic blanket.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 11:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Harper was right then, and if he has changed his mind, then he is wrong now. The purpose of Kyoto is to shift money from people who have earned it, to those who think they deserve it. Think of NEP, except on a global scale. Money was supposed to flow out of the US into the third world. Instead, China is building like, 9 coal fired power plants a day, and is set to become the number one emitter in the planet in a just a few short years. The money? It is flowing out of the US into China, one of the biggest serial rights abuses currently on the planet.

Welfare never works out as well as they envision.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 11:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Which is why Canada and the US should do what is necessary in their own unique way not hand out money to those who throw caution to the wind.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 12:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I fail to see where this statement is damning?

Being against Kyoto does not mean you are Anti-Environment, it just means you are Anti-Sending Canadian dollars to Third World Country X to buy carbon credits with the worlds two worst offenders and largest manufacturing rivals are not signed on anyway.

Harper and the Tories made it CRYSTAL CLEAR in the 2006 election platform that they were planning to move away from Kyoto and find a solution that was designed to work with Canada's environment and economy.

Its not as thought he was ever for Kyoto?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 1:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't understand why only first world countries have to abide by this Kyoto scheme, so how are we fighting climate change this way? Anyone heard of the Three Gorges Dam Project in China?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 1:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hasdrubal wrote:
I don't understand why only first world countries have to abide by this Kyoto scheme, so how are we fighting climate change this way? Anyone heard of the Three Gorges Dam Project in China?


But you see thats ok, because they are a "Developing Nation".

They can do whatever they want.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 3:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It all comes down to the atmosphere is a pool, there is only one atmosphere; do you want to swim in the pissing end, or in the non-pissing end of the pool? Emissions from China cannot possibly affect the atmosphere as much as emissions from North America, right? As I understand it, from my reading of the Kyoto documents, emissions caused by white people cause six times more warming than any other race of people.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 3:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great quote I had to share from the CBC.ca comment section

"In 1999, Stephane Dion and most Liberals stood in parliament and voted against same sex marriage. If it was fair game to dredge up an old letter from Stephen Harper (even after his legislative action on the environment shows more action in a year than happened in the previous 13 yars of Liberal rule), then maybe every time the Liberals try to speak about equality and same sex marriage, a CPAC clip of Dion rising to vote against same sex marriage should be shown.

Most sensible people would say that showing such a clip would be meaningless because Dion has since taken positive action on that issue. So why the double standard against Stephen Harper? "
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Craig wrote:
The CBC is launching the Liberal attack ads on behalf of the Liberals - and masking them as news stories.


Typical of the communist broadcasting company isn't it...
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's also typical for CTV to come to bat for the Liberals.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the communications strategy should be to point out that Kyoto is not going to work, that we are committed to it so we will do our best to fulfill our commitment, but we need to make Canadian-made solutions focussing on innovation. He should point out that just because you disagree with kyoto, doesn't mean that you disagree with working on the environment file. In fact, he could go as far as to say that Canada doesn't believe Kyoto goes far enough, and his government is going to take REAL action on environment, and keep our Canadian money in Canada for environmental reform.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 7:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Which is why the Conservatives are going forward with a stragey of their own instead of begin subservantiant to this usless Accord.
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