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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 1:33 am    Post subject: Stephen Harper's 9/11 Speech Reply with quote


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 4:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

God bless our Prime Minister - Stephen Harper- at last - a leader who's not all 'do nothing' - just like with this issue - he understands the threat that is facing the free world - he understands that if that free world ignores the very real advances of the Islamist agenda we shall end up making a much more acute sacrifice later.

The plan to counter this agenda is very much a 'time and circumstances' affair and - as a leader - I see that Mr. Harper is aptly measuring his activities - as PM - contrasted to time and circumstances - of course - during this time - with a minority government - it may not seem to be the time to be so focused on this international issue - yet - Mr. Harper knows that he cannot really govern [true to his duty] as though he is crippled by popular perceptions.

The socialists [and others] in our midst are trying to fear monger Canada into a 'do nothing' position - while at the same time - helping to advance the Islamists agenda through a 'do nothing' position.

Mr. Harper understands that these noted groups are not "freedom fighters". It is to our benefit that he understands that if we do not go to them - they shall come to us.

When the time comes for an election - the Canadian population MUST vote Conservative - just as the American population MUST vote Republican - if these parties are not able to complete this task - then - these alternate leaders - who lack the qualification to counter the islamists program - shall set it all back - with them in office - these problems shall fester worse.

The Liberals the NDP and the Democrats do not have the right perspective on this threat that we are facing and thus they are too easily fooled by these terrorists.

Again - may God Bless Mr. Harper and the Conservative Party of Canada - May God Bless Canada!

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 9:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

But unfortunately the people of this country have yet to become as enlightened about how the world really works to the extent we have. It's gonna take much more work to accomplish this.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 11:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thats where we as the informed come in. We have to talk to our families, our friends and our co-workers. We have to convince them of the truth, to defuse the Libral and NDP propaganda. A pleasant debate with a friend is alot more effective in changing a persons mind than a sound byte on the evening news.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 1:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm all for it, but unfortunately the bull$#it the MSM spews out nightly makes it awful hard sometimes.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 4:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd say that my beloved Canada's worth the effort.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do not like the fact that he is linking 911 to our efforts in over there.

There is a huge difference between a state that sponsors terrorism and a state that has terrorists operatinng within its borders.

Afghanistan was a problem, it didn't need invading though.

Look, if your relative comes home from serving Afghanistan with thier legs blown off, could you look them in the eye and say it was worth the sacrifice?

The answerr is a firm NO.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 10:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe you should ask injured soldiers and their families before you speak for them. That may be what you assume to be the case, and maybe that is the case for you, but I can recall at least two families of soliders who have lost their lives in the past few months saying they firmly support the mission.

And would you prefer they return to the days of Taliban rule, when women had absolutely no rights and were little more than property, among other things? Because that is exactly where they'd be today if we'd stayed out.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 10:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I do not like the fact that he is linking 911 to our efforts in over there.

There is a huge difference between a state that sponsors terrorism and a state that has terrorists operatinng within its borders.


There was a rather large and hard to argue against link to 911 in Afghanistan. It is very well documented that Osama BinLaden was using Afghanistan as a base of operations, with the blessings of the Taliban. Al Kaida had numerous training camps in the country, and many of those who carried out attacks on the west were trained there.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 11:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pol_Torie wrote:
I do not like the fact that he is linking 911 to our efforts in over there.

There is a huge difference between a state that sponsors terrorism and a state that has terrorists operatinng within its borders.

Afghanistan was a problem, it didn't need invading though.

Look, if your relative comes home from serving Afghanistan with thier legs blown off, could you look them in the eye and say it was worth the sacrifice?

The answerr is a firm NO.


I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're not trolling, because I'm really keen to see your explanation.

You acknowledge that Al Qaeda was operating in Afghanistan.

Do you dispute that the Taliban was aware of the activities of AQ?

If the Taliban was aware of AQ's activities, do you not believe that they had a responsibility to stop them?

If the Taliban was not able to stop them, do you not believe that they had a responsibility to ask others to help them rid them of their unwanted guests?

All to the contrary. The Taliban was as complicit in AQ's activity as the driver of the getaway car. Both need to be stopped.

In answer to your question, no, I would not dare tell a maimed soldier that his loss was worth the sacrafice. However, I would give him the time of day to vent and tell his story. That said, these men are aware of the risks before them, and they are volunteers - not conscripts.

Finally, I do believe that it is the responsibility of the government to provide as much support is needed to our returning veterans.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 1:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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American Tory Wrote: And would you prefer they return to the days of Taliban rule, when women had absolutely no rights and were little more than property, among other things? Because that is exactly where they'd be today if we'd stayed out.


Using the human rights record of the Taliban to justify this conflict is hardly a credible argument. Pre-9/11, the Taliban wasn't exactly a hardened enemy of the US.

In 1997, Texas oil companies wined and dined Taliban senior officials regarding an oil pipeline through that country. It's a meeting that the US administration could've put a stop to.

I didn't think we negotiated with these kinds of people. I guess we do when there's profit to be made.

This, yet in plain view of the world... well... you obviously know what the Taliban is all about. It was no secret, ask the women there.

The Taliban took over Afghanistan in the mid-1990's. The world stood idly by. At worst, we aided the regime - at best, we did nothing.

1. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/wor...../37021.stm
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 1:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It as just as incorrect to use the errors of previous administrations to argue against a change of direction, all in the name of consistency.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 5:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bush was the governor of Texas while the Taliban was in Texas.

My point is that if it hadnt been for 9/11, there would likely be no fight in Afghanistan - so to say that "we're doing it for the women" is misleading rhetoric. Women are oppressed in many countries with whom the US has friendly relations. Saudi Arabia, for instance.

As if we suddenly care about Afghani women. We're in Afghanistan for ourselves.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 5:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tim, we went in to remove scumsucking terrorist-financng Taliban from power, so we can be sure that the terrorists will have one less place tio hide.
This was not Bush's mission, this was a NATO mission.

The installation of a democracy is a great way to deny terrorists new recruits, free people are far less likely to wear explosive underwear. The freedom for women is a happy byproduct, as is the kids in school, and the reconstruction.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 5:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pol_Torie wrote:

Look, if your relative comes home from serving Afghanistan with thier legs blown off, could you look them in the eye and say it was worth the sacrifice?

The answerr is a firm NO.


You might not be able to - but I know for a fact that many of the soldiers who have been wounded will look you in the eye and say it was...
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