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George Bush is
an inspiration.
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a politician.
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not a true conservative.
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Winnipeg_tory





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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 11:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bush is a terrible president to say the least. Its clear now especially in light of the recent comments by Colin Powell that Bush has gone wayward of his own supposed ideals.

My ignorance of long past US history will not allow me in good conscience to call him the "worst" but I wouldnt be surprised if historians place him near that.

My main reasons for disliking his policies involves: allowing massive corruption and overtly political lobbying to dominate his party in Washington, the inability to deal with the rising and dangerous US debt, inefficient government management and fighting an expensive and largely unnecessary war in Iraq, when we may be faced in the next few years with a nuclear Iran and nuclear North Korea. Scary.

Its ironic that I now am starting to look at Clinton as an excellent president.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 11:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Winnipeg_tory wrote:
Its ironic that I now am starting to look at Clinton as an excellent president.


I was with you until you made this statement. Clinton allowed North Korea, Iran, and Bin Laden to become what they are. He turned a blind eye to the problems of the world including allowing 1 million Tutsis to be slaughtered in Rwanda.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 12:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very true and none of those things are talked about enough with regards to his legacy. But I was thinking more specifically that he precided over a decade or so of serious US economic growth, he forged/maintained productive trading relationships with many countries as well as advocating for free trade, and he intervened in Kosovo to stop the ongoing slaughter of albanians.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 7:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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That's your socialist leaning opinion...

No it is the view of anyone who knows anything about iraq.
People like David Kilcullen think it was stupid, not just radical people on the left.

I think prez's get to much credit when the economy changes even if they did not do anything.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 9:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's one way to blame Bush but there is another reason for the Bush Bashing. Lumping everyone together with him is a career-ending tactic. Usually the Reps who lost their seats where those who sided with Bush and end up begin Personally Attacked to me it shows the S-P regime is a threat to American Freedom and democracy which will lead to a Dicatatorship if they achieve a total sweep.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 1:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

True Bush is very unpopular right now. But I've got to say I'm not impressed with the republican party these days. What happen to fiscal restraint? Why the costly and poorly planned military mission in Iraq. I mean there were/are more pressing issues. Health care is a problem, the education system is faltering, social security will be bankrupt when the baby boomers retire, stop the illegal immigration its a security threat and is unfair to legal migrants. Also China: artifically low exchange rate, human rights violations, environmental degredation. etc. etc.

A president has a lot to achieve right now, the right seems corrupt and largely interested in lining its own pockets, the left (on average) are quite scary with the usually special interest crap, amnesty for illegals, weak on counterterror, 10$ minimum wage etc.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 9:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Winnipeg_tory wrote:
True Bush is very unpopular right now. But I've got to say I'm not impressed with the republican party these days. What happen to fiscal restraint? Why the costly and poorly planned military mission in Iraq. I mean there were/are more pressing issues. Health care is a problem, the education system is faltering, social security will be bankrupt when the baby boomers retire, stop the illegal immigration its a security threat and is unfair to legal migrants. Also China: artifically low exchange rate, human rights violations, environmental degredation. etc. etc.

A president has a lot to achieve right now, the right seems corrupt and largely interested in lining its own pockets, the left (on average) are quite scary with the usually special interest crap, amnesty for illegals, weak on counterterror, 10$ minimum wage etc.


Here's my opinon on Bush and the Reps now I do honestly feel that both him and the Party attempted to increase their support base ie including those in the Moderate Dems or Reps. But it backfired why People hate Bush and the Reps which is why the SP regime was allowed to succeed and begin a Prelude to the Political Purge of the US national Defence.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 11:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The worst American President? Who knows. They had more than a couple of dogs over the years. I think , though, that he is a man of suprisingly average intelligence and skill who somehow got himself elected to the highest office in the land. Even he must have been suprised the first time round. I don't think that he will have any long term legacy, like Regan, Kennedy, Ike or even Nixon. If I was to grade him, I'd call him a C
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 12:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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They had more than a couple of dogs over the years.

I agree Big Daddy (thats the last time Ill call you that ;))
But when say Grant was prez (my vote maybe for worst ever) the US was just one power among many. You have to look at the global context of great power politics, certainly since '45 (when there were only two great powers, it took until '56 until some people figured this out) and the fall of the USSR (only 1 great power, the us) there has not been a worse prez.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 12:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One can hope that Bush may try to impress alot of people. But what happens so far is he is more then a figure head. Look at what happen He allowed the Farleft and So-called aanti-war Peace activists and Moveon.org to go after and verbally intimmediate the Evangilicals, Undermine Support for the War effort at home. Allowed the Reps to spend to increase their support base. Alot of things can be said but it seems that once He leaves office the Secular-Progesives Regime will put every negative thing and blame him for all the reasons.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 1:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't understand how he "allowed" anyone to do anything. Short of declaring martial law inorder to suppress the media (can you say Noriega?) and the portion of the American public who don't support him, what's he going to do? The answer to socialism is not facism.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 11:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Duck Tory wrote:
I will not be surprise if the Social-Democrat Regime makes a scapegoat out of Bush.

I don't think you have to worry about that. Bush himself has done that. In all honesty, has there been a worse president - no. More Americans have been killed in Iraq than were killed in the world trade towers. 100's of 1000's of Iraqi's have been killed and wounded. Peerhaps even more than Saddam had killed during his reighn of terror. Iraq has become a religious killing ground as someone else has pointed out and there is no way Iraq will become a stable supplier of oil anytime in the next decade. Because he let his hatred of Saddam and perhaps his desire to show up dad lead the country to war he watered the fight down in Afghanistan to the point where the Taliban are making a come back. Despite the fact that he controlled both houses and in the aftermath of 9/11 the media and the support of the people he blew it big time. Lets be honest Bush has set back the cause of conservatism by a decade and then we can talk about the economy. He has greatly increased the American debt to fight this war. Manufacturing jobs have fled to China, 12 million illegal immigrants keep the price of labour so low that 46 million ordinary Americans can't afford medical insurance. Yea he has done a great job which is why his approval rating is at an all time low.

We will not win the country if we insist that every so called conservative is the be all and end all. We have to have the courage to hold our own leaders accountable if we hope to convince people that we are a party that can be trusted. If we rationalize our mistakes and pretend they haven't happened - well isn't that what we despised most about the liberals? :?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 8:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe he is a true conservative. I would even go as far as saying he is more conservative than Stephen Harper . For example the Bush tax cuts for small business owners,the war against Islamic terrorism. He may not be a small government conservative in the true sense but he is a solid conservative nonetheless(remember there are big government conservatives in the fold too).

To say he is the worst president is foolish and stupid and shows a lack of knowledge of American History.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 4:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

potan wrote:

To say he is the worst president is foolish and stupid and shows a lack of knowledge of American History.


Just out of curiosity, who do you think is worse, and why?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

potan wrote:
To say he is the worst president is foolish and stupid and shows a lack of knowledge of American History.


I agree with this. President Bush has had two MAJOR events to deal with...

1. Dot com meltdown

2. Largest terrorist attack in US history

Without both of those events he would be cruising along like Clinton did. People need to put things into context - Reagon was great but didn't have nearly the same problems as Bush to deal with - the same can be said for at least 1/2 of the other US presidents.

I'm no Bush fan - but he is far from the worse. And labelling someone "the worst" is silly since no two administrations can fairly be compared in terms of the challenges they faced.
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