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kwlafayette





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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 6:03 pm    Post subject: Progressive Canadian party Reply with quote

Anyone ever talk about these guys? From what I have seen, they are Liberal-lite. Don't know why anyone would vote for them. On their website, they still parrot the "Alliance takeover" line.

http://www.progressivecanadian.org/

When do you think they will get tired of losing? It took more than a decade for the old PC and Alliance parties.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 7:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm surprised Garth Turner hasn't joined them.

They're full of Garth Turner-like personalities who have a mad-on for the CPC but also hate the Libs.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They are nothing more then the remants of the Center-right
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 12:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just trying to use the old PC party name for votes. May have worked somewhat in their favour in 04, but now?
Grow up folks, we are all Conservatives.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 10:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They don't have any policy on their site from what I saw, but my guess would be that they are a little left of center. Center-right does not really have a party in Canada. The closest we get to center-right is maybe center.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 3:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kwlafayette wrote:
The closest we get to center-right is maybe center.

That's true both federally and provincially. Here in BC, our most right wing provincial party is Gordon Campbell's Liberals. Talk about a devil's choice: the Liberals or the NDP... :(

-Mac
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 9:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mac wrote:
kwlafayette wrote:
The closest we get to center-right is maybe center.

That's true both federally and provincially. Here in BC, our most right wing provincial party is Gordon Campbell's Liberals. Talk about a devil's choice: the Liberals or the NDP... :(

-Mac


The BC Liberals (as you know) are a different beast from the Federal Liberals. They are home to everybody right of centre. I supported the BC Reform Party and then the BC Alliance Party and all we got was NDP rule. I finally jumped to the BC Liberals because I was sick of the vote split. I will take the BC Liberals over the NDP any day.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

palomino_pony wrote:
The BC Liberals (as you know) are a different beast from the Federal Liberals. They are home to everybody right of centre. I supported the BC Reform Party and then the BC Alliance Party and all we got was NDP rule. I finally jumped to the BC Liberals because I was sick of the vote split. I will take the BC Liberals over the NDP any day.

Sorry, I have to disagree. Evidently, your "centre" is left of my "centre" if you consider the BC Libs to be right of centre. They're the least left of the two major parties but that doesn't make the right of centre!! Everytime you hear another social program announcement or a multi-billion dollar treaty deal, think of what a real right of centre party would do with a majority government.

Have you ever listened to or read any of Christy Clark's offerings? As a former Education Minister and Deputy Premier, she would fit left into the Fed Liberal Party (where her husband is a backroom boy) and she's representative of her former party. I use her as an example because she's one of the more vocal and visible BC Liberals.

-Mac
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 4:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I saw a statistic somewhere that the majority of the BCLiberal party was made up of Federal Conservatives.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 5:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mac wrote:
palomino_pony wrote:
The BC Liberals (as you know) are a different beast from the Federal Liberals. They are home to everybody right of centre. I supported the BC Reform Party and then the BC Alliance Party and all we got was NDP rule. I finally jumped to the BC Liberals because I was sick of the vote split. I will take the BC Liberals over the NDP any day.

Sorry, I have to disagree. Evidently, your "centre" is left of my "centre" if you consider the BC Libs to be right of centre. They're the least left of the two major parties but that doesn't make the right of centre!! Everytime you hear another social program announcement or a multi-billion dollar treaty deal, think of what a real right of centre party would do with a majority government.

Have you ever listened to or read any of Christy Clark's offerings? As a former Education Minister and Deputy Premier, she would fit left into the Fed Liberal Party (where her husband is a backroom boy) and she's representative of her former party. I use her as an example because she's one of the more vocal and visible BC Liberals.

-Mac


I heard she was gonna be running next time
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 5:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Duck Tory wrote:
They are nothing more then the remants of the Center-right


Name one thing right wing about them. They are center-left.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 11:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I followed them very closely after the merger,
What bothers me is that the old PC party was not the Liberal Party which is generally what the Progressive Canadian party generally has become.

Tracy Parsons is an intelligent woman, but the party as a whole offers very little different then the larger parties that are available to me.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 4:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cosmo, the old Progressive Conservative Party was a coalition which was moribund and they represented the centre-right poorly. Canada's political history looks so liberal because the political right hasn't made good choices for leaders.

Who have we seen as leaders on the political right? Joe Clark? Please! What a political maladroit! Robert Stanfield had the misfortune to be running against Trudeau at his prime and he fumbled the football (so to speak). Preston Manning's barn-storming looks pretty childish in retrospect, doesn't it? Kim Campbell? Proof of the old saying "Better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt!" and then there was Mulroney.

Respect is due to Mulroney, for he was visionary and his economic legacy saved Canada from bankruptcy (Trudeau's legacy) but his vision was clouded by his obsession with "fixing" Trudeau's Constitution.

If Mulroney had focused on the economy and governance, instead of playing around in Meech Lake and Charlottetown, Mulroney might have changed Canada's direction so profoundly that Manning's Reform movement would never have found traction. Imagine what he could have done... Senate reform, a Supreme Court which made sense instead of being a bunch of socialist activists, addressing democratic imbalance... Mulroney's ego was larger than the party he lead and, as a result, he destroyed the Progressive Conservative Party... which might not have been such a bad thing if there's been a natural successor working to fill that political void...

Instead of taking the time to rethink and reinvent themselves after Mulroney and Campbell, the Progressive Conservatives resurrected Joe Clark as a leader. Good move... NOT!! Parsons and her Progressive Canadian Party represent the worst of old guard of the Progressive Conservatives; determined to be irrelevant at all costs.

At the same time, the Liberal Party had the cunning to play the Canadian public like fiddles. Most, if not all, of the Liberal's good policies were stolen from the Conservative handbook. Most, if not all, of the Liberal's bad policies were stolen from the NDP's handbook. The Liberals are absolutely amoral and arrogant but they know how that one way to win the game is to keep the opponents off-balance and make them play by your rules. Unfortunately, the political right took a long time to figure out that they don't have to play along with the Liberals.

-Mac
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 11:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perfectly eloquent, and profoundly correct... Thank you Mac for the sober thought.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 5:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry for taking this thread down the BC Politics route, but this is my last post in response to a comment made earlier.

Mac wrote:
Sorry, I have to disagree. Evidently, your "centre" is left of my "centre" if you consider the BC Libs to be right of centre.


When I said the BC Liberals "are home to everybody right of centre", I should have said "right of the NDP". I realize that this is a broader spectrum and I am quite happy to have a few BC Liberals that fall slightly to the left of centre as long as there are some on the other side to balance things out. As much as I would like a true conservative government in BC, I have been here long enough (my whole life) to know that this will never happen.

The BC Liberals have a working coalition, something that the Social Credit party had figured out in the past. The Socreds translated their coalition to 3 decades of consistent rule (a couple of blips in the 1970s). I don't know how long you have been in BC, but I remember every federal election the Socreds party membership would fight each other on the Liberal/PC front, but when it came time to provincial politics, they banded together to keep the NDP at bay. In the end the Socreds became arrogant and corrupt the coalition went their separate ways. The subsequent vote splitting let the NDP rule BC in the 90s, even when in one election they placed second in popular vote.

Mac wrote:
They're the least left of the two major parties but that doesn't make the right of centre!! Everytime you hear another social program announcement or a multi-billion dollar treaty deal, think of what a real right of centre party would do with a majority government.


Campbell ruled from the right in first term, in part because of the state of the economy and also to give a departure from the NDP policies. There were no announcements of new social programs then, instead he cut and he cut harder than a lot of experts thought was necessary. Good or bad, Campbell has wanted to or has privatized highways maintenance, BC Hydro, BC Ferries, BC Rail, and medical record keeping. In his second term, he has bit more money to throw around but I don't see him spending a lot on social programs. Most of the money is going to infrastructure improvements, something that the NDP neglected (ferries, roads, bridges) during their tenure. Some of the spending is going to support the Olympics, something that the NDP pushed for under Glen Clark.

Mac wrote:
Have you ever listened to or read any of Christy Clark's offerings? As a former Education Minister and Deputy Premier, she would fit left into the Fed Liberal Party (where her husband is a backroom boy) and she's representative of her former party. I use her as an example because she's one of the more vocal and visible BC Liberals.


I have heard what Christy has offered/said, but for every Clark there is a Richard Neufeld, Kevin Falcon, Rich Coleman. As an aside: Clark has quit politics for a while, but I quite enjoy her on CKNW as a fill in host and a few of her editorials for the Province are actually not that bad. I think that she grooming herself as a possible leadership candidate (I don't know what I would do if she did win) when ever Campbell decides to hang it up. I am not a big fan of her husband's federal ties, but you have to admit, he can get results. He has managed somewhat of a comeback for the Federal Liberals in the Vancouver suburbs in 2006 and was the Chair of Dion's successful leadership bid.

You were originally dismayed that the BC Liberals were our most right wing provincial party. If you don't mind supporting a party that has no chance of going anywhere, Wilf Hanni (former Reform Party of BC Leader) and the BC Conservatives would be a place to park your vote.

Back to the topic at hand, your excellent post addressed to Cosmo is timely. I really like the viewpoint on Manning. Looking back from 2006, the Reform Party may have been "childish", but it was a legitimate response to Mulroney's tinkering with the Constitution, a lesson that Harper should be well versed in. Your analysis of where Mulroney went wrong is spot on and I hope that Harper does not get side tracked by the constitutional debate.

The PC is not a centralist party as they claim. They are made up of the "Red Tories" who were pissed at the Alliance/PC merger. Look at the some of the PCs; past and present:

Sinclair Stevens (cleared of conflict of interest charges after 18 years, founder of Bloc-Haper - a sour grapes website), Joe Hueglin (throws around the term "neoconservative" like it is a dirty word), Jim Conrad (former Liberal and anti-free trader), and Flora MacDonald (I do have a lot of respect for Flora, but she is not cut of conservative cloth).

Don't kid your self with this group. They have more in common with the Liberals than with today's Tories.
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