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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 9:15 pm    Post subject: Bob Rae for PM? Think twice... Reply with quote

* Bob Rae made history as a man who gets things done. It took 40 years for mainly Conservative governments in Ontario to accumulate $20 billion in debt building the province's schools, hospitals, highways and hydro dams. It took Bob's NDP administration only four years to run up another $40 billion in red ink with little of enduring value to show for it at the end.

* Bob Rae is a visionary in health care. It was his NDP government that implemented the ingenious plan to cut medicare costs by reducing the number of doctors graduating from medical schools. Today, his legacy endures with a physician shortage that saves taxpayers a fortune by not having to treat millions of sick Canadians who can't find a family doctor.

* Bob Rae is a champion of the Canadian leisure industries. For the first time since the Great Depression of the 1930s, there were fewer people employed in Ontario industries when Rae left office than when he arrived.

* Bob Rae boldly stands up for Big Business and isn't afraid to stick it to the Little Guy, those whining small businesses that always have it easy. In the five years before Rae came to office, about 85% of all the net new jobs created in Ontario were in companies with fewer than 100 employees. Even in the 1980s recession when big companies shed more than 100,000 jobs, small businesses in the province grew by almost twice that number.

But not under Bob's watch -- a few major industries got huge bailouts, while all those mom-and-pop operations got ravaged, losing more than 100,000 jobs in the four years of NDP rule.

* Bob Rae understands what it means to be a taxpayer -- when economic times get tough, the tough get taxed, thereby ensuring the economy slows to the point where everyone gets screwed equally -- although some more equally than others. For instance, by the time the NDP left office, Ontario professionals and entrepreneurs earning more than $67,000 a year had the highest marginal tax rate in North America, and were ungratefully running for the border in droves.

* Bob Rae is a politician who never forgets his promises. The NDP pledged to introduce public auto insurance that would save car owners a fortune in premiums. Four years later, the Dippers were still promising socialist collision coverage even as they were being driven out of office.

* Bob Rae is perhaps the only great Canadian leader of the last century to have a day named in his honour -- Rae Days. Just over a decade ago, the man who would now be the next federal Liberal leader and perhaps Canada's next prime minister looked out upon the economic landscape he had created and saw that it was ravaged by record debt, record deficits and record job losses, and he knew exactly what needed to be done.

He hired 100,000 more public servants, gave them all a big raise, and ordered them to stay home and not get paid.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 9:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bob Rae as Liberal party leader does give people a clear ideological divide between the parties. It gives people a reason to either vote Liberal, or vote Conservayive. I don't think this should be underestimated. For years, the choice was Liberal, or Liberal Lite (the old PC party).
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 11:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, for the next election it gives people the choice between...

Moderate conservatism
Socislist liberalism
Irrelevent socialism
Radical environmentalism
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 8:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I disagree,

Bob Rae could easily be Prime Minister,
You would simply need some sort of retrovirus that was designed to target anyone who lived in Ontario from 1990-1995 and I think he would be a lock!
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 8:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Back to my point of voting tory or tory lite, and to address Craig's points. Look what the choice between Liberal and Liberal Lite (PC) did to conservatism in this country. More conservative voters staid away in droves, a new party formed to address their concerns, Reform. The Liberals with a mediocre leader had an easy walk through 3 elections. Even when they had a poor leader, he still won a minority.

I am not saying that it would happen to the Liberals, or that it is even likely. There is already a plethora of choices on the left side of the menu. What I am saying is that choosing the wrong leader, a leader that simply makes the Liberal party tory lite, could be disastrous for the Liberals. At least for an election or two.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 3:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My only fear is that Ontario voters might have that 30 second political memory that's been brought up on these forums already.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

...just see - bob rae did what all NDP do and long ago [it appears] - they've hatched a plan to take over the Liberal party...how can a former NDP premier now be seeking the Liberal leadership position? Reading your title post it becomes clear just how simultaneously 'capitalistic' and 'communistic' the NDP can be. As leaders - they want the 'instruments' of both of those worlds.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 12:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CC Scott wrote:
My only fear is that Ontario voters might have that 30 second political memory that's been brought up on these forums already.

The problem is that 30 second political memory only seems to lean to the left. Mike Harris' name is still used as a swear word by many of those with the 30 second political memory... and he wasn't that bad of a premier.

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