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Stephen





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PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 1:04 pm    Post subject: Garth gets the boot Reply with quote

Official discussion thread for Garth's ouster from Tory Caucus.
Stephen





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PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 1:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Will Garth cave in and respect his obligations as a team player in CPC caucus?

Will he sit as an independent?

Will he be the first Green MP?
CC Scott





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PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 2:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

He broke confidentiality and was attacking his own colleagues on his blog, what kind of reaction did he expect would happen? I found it very interesting that it was the unanimous decision of the Ontario Caucus. I bet that the Opposition parties will attempt to say that it's just an example of PM Harper stifling dissent, even though it wasn't his decision at all.

He'll probably sit as an independent.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 2:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm with CC Scott on this one... I'm waiting to see how the oposition reacts, and I don't see him disappearing.

I read through his blog this morning, on news of this... He's still a conservative, so I don't see him sitting with another party. In fact, there were many times he defended his party members as well... hard to say what will happen, but i anticipate he'll stay on as an independent.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 2:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it was unanimous, does that mean Garth voted in favour of being booted? :P
kwlafayette





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PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 3:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stephen wrote:
Will Garth cave in and respect his obligations as a team player in CPC caucus?

Will he sit as an independent?

Will he be the first Green MP?

Seems like kind of a leading question; respect, obligation, team player, this is obviously the preferred answer. The other two questions are neutral.

I liked having him as an MP, I thought he had good ideas about tax reform. Maybe they will come to an understanding, maybe not.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 3:36 pm    Post subject: Garth Reply with quote

Garth Turner will not be back. He can now be a media darling - which is really what he craves - and say whatever pops into his head.

If you are a member of the Tory (or Liberal) caucus, you have to follow certain rules. Refraining from publicly criticizing the leader and your fellow caucus members would seem to be one of them. You cannot be simultaneously a team player and a free agent.

However, I do not quite understand the communications strategy behind this move. Why make a martyr out of a relatively harmless loudmouth?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 4:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For some reason Tyrell Owens comes to mind.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 4:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The guy is an Old Guard Mulroney Progressive Conservative and had as much place in the Harper Conservative Party as Stephen Lewis would have.

Nearly the moment he was elected after his brief although not long enough vacation from politics he decided to mouth off about the Emerson crossing, and it just kept coming.

The guy is a "Media Whore" excuse the term, he feeds off attention like a leech feeds off blood, As was said above his real interest is to be a media darling and all this does is get his name in the papers again,

I can practically see his next book already on the shelves at Chapters, because if there was ever an MP that could capitalize his position its good ol' Garth.
CC Scott





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PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not sure if I'm right, but don't I recall Garth criticising Harper and the Conservative Party before he got elected? Someone please fill me in.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 5:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In one of his own blog entries he talks about his race for the PC leadership when Mulroney stepped down. "I knew I wouldn't win" is mentioned - That boils my blood.. If you have no chances of winning, get out, don't split otherwise usefull votes..

Grr... sorry, bad personal experience with a vote splitter.. ;)
Evilgenius





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PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 5:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Garth's claim to fame was as a maverick Conservative MP. That's why the media sought him out. If he's not a Conservative MP any more, then he's a nobody. He's going to fade into oblivion within 3 days.
CC Scott





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PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 5:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

True, the same thing happened with Carolyn Parrish.
Mac





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PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 11:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's not really a good comparison between Parrish and Turner.

Parrish was a national embarrassment who contributed nothing but spite and bile (always useful for sound-bite politics) usually delivered in fury. She spat anti-American vitriol with impunity until she turned on Martin... and then she was gone.

Turner spoke his mind, politely but inconveniently. He actually has some pretty good ideas and he's normally quite articulate. Yeah, Garth likes attention. Show me a politician who doesn't!

I suspect there's more to come on this story. If we don't hear it sooner in the MSM, we'll hear it later in a "tell all" book by Turner. He is quite successful as an author, after all.

-Mac
CC Scott





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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 12:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wasn't comparing the two in terms of what they did to get booted from their parties. I was agreeing with Evilgenious that the story will fade after a little while, just like the Parrish story did.
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