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biggie





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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 9:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

On a positive note, if he joins the greens they will be able to participate in the next debates and will have official party status. This could be a huge blessing in disguise for the CPC. Whats better than to further fragment the left.. I'm sure their added prominence would draw some NDP and liberal votes... Could be just what the CPC needs.

I can see it now

Garth Turner, King of the vote-split

:wink:
Buddy Kat





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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 10:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The optics stink for the cpc ...muzzeling elected Canadians from the truth. That will turn a lot of people off. The whole secrecy thing Harper has brought to the government looks bad also..what's next caucus members have to show zee papers before entering? He looks like a control freak rather than someone that is loyaly liked and followed.


Brick by brick it all adds up..now the cpc is tied with a leaderless liberals in the polls. After this number the polls should be even worse. When they finally release the green plan(more green mulla) for oil and gas, they should be scraping the bottom 20's in the polls.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 10:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Buddy Kat wrote:
The optics stink for the cpc ...muzzeling elected Canadians from the truth. That will turn a lot of people off. The whole secrecy thing Harper has brought to the government looks bad also..what's next caucus members have to show zee papers before entering? He looks like a control freak rather than someone that is loyaly liked and followed.


Brick by brick it all adds up..now the cpc is tied with a leaderless liberals in the polls. After this number the polls should be even worse. When they finally release the green plan(more green mulla) for oil and gas, they should be scraping the bottom 20's in the polls.


That is always something that makes me scratch my head.

"Leaderless Liberals" Do you think that Gerard Kennedy Liberals are going to back Iggy all the way to the polls? and do you think Dion Liberals are going to flock to Bob Rae?

The Liberals have four leaders, a little something for everyone and that fact is reflected in the numbers. Perhaps if you scroll down you will notice that in the section that asked which person would be the best Prime Minister where Harper finished a full 10 points ahead of any of the Liberal Team.

When they have a leader and the fly by night liberals who supported failed leadership hopeful X have settled in behind whoever they will support then bore me with your opinion of the Tories polling lower then the NDP.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 11:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I never understood the trolling instinct that seems to pervade the left. Buddy Kat has Rabble, liberal underground, dozens of other forums where he could post and people would agree with his tripe. Here where people easily see through it and he is laughed at, he insists on posting. Must be a top/bottom thing.

To get back to the subject at hand though, I think Turner is pretty much done. One MP does not make for official party status. Remember when the PC's were reduced to 2 seats? Garth has lost insider status and influence. He can still push his ideas on income splitting and such, but only form the outside. The Greens are not going to pass a budget anytime soon. The Liberals are not going to support income splitting; Jack! certianly won't. What Turner needs to do is shut down his blog and work to get back into the CPC caucus. Halton elected a Conservative, Turner roundly condemned Emerson for floor crossing, and he should work to remain a Conservative.
CC Scott





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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 12:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Buddy Kat wrote:
The optics stink for the cpc ...muzzeling elected Canadians from the truth. That will turn a lot of people off. The whole secrecy thing Harper has brought to the government looks bad also..what's next caucus members have to show zee papers before entering? He looks like a control freak rather than someone that is loyaly liked and followed.


And Chretien and Martin weren't control freaks?

The idea that Harper's government is acting like some kind of dictatorship is laughable. The Liberals were doing the exact same thing when they were in power when it came to keeping what happens in caucus to themselves. It would look even worse if all the disagreements coming out of caucus were aired publicly. It would be portrayed that the CPC government was divided and on the verge of collapsing.

I don't remember people clamouring to hear what the Liberals were saying in their caucus meetings.
biggie





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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 12:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nicely said CC Scott...

I'm reminded of the infamous vote on Gay marriage..

It wasn't Stephen Harper making his people vote a certain way... Martin on the other hand?
Buddy Kat





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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 2:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well folks thanks for your comments but after the release of the "hope there all dead by 2050" green plan ...The tory's will be lucky if they have 2% in the next poll. :lol:

I agree both liberals in the past and the present tory leader come off looking like control freaks, but when you consistantly have this shroud of secrecy around everyone it's ominous.


Regarding posting on other forums ..if it was really a major concern I would use differant monikers. It's rewarding haveing a wide variety of views and not being tied down to one and one only view. The liberals add there twist..the socialists have theres and the neocons are Right out there with theres.

Regarding top and bottom stuff..sorry don't swing that way. But here is an intresting observation from many years on forums...when they start with the gay stuff you know you got them licked and screaming "he's gay" etc. is usually what happens when they iz owned. :wink:
cosmostein





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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 2:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Buddy Kat wrote:
Well folks thanks for your comments but after the release of the "hope there all dead by 2050" green plan ...The tory's will be lucky if they have 2% in the next poll. :lol:



:? -------------------- :D --------------- :lol:

Jack is that you???
CC Scott





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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 2:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Buddy Kat wrote:
The tory's will be lucky if they have 2% in the next poll. :lol:


Keep dreaming.

Buddy Kat wrote:
but when you consistantly have this shroud of secrecy around everyone it's ominous.


What shrowd of secrecy? Is it the fact that this government doesn't constantly leak upcoming policy announcements (apart from Garth leaking the information on his blog) or float trial balloons to see if a policy will be well recepted by the Canadian public or not? I just don't see this government being "secretive"like those on the Left are fond of saying it is.
biggie





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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 2:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cosmostein wrote:
Buddy Kat wrote:
Well folks thanks for your comments but after the release of the "hope there all dead by 2050" green plan ...The tory's will be lucky if they have 2% in the next poll. :lol:



:? -------------------- :D --------------- :lol:

Jack is that you???


HAHAHA priceless!

good thing to kno Buddy Kat is looking out for us all by conserving energy(not using the internet). I'm also glad to know he's spending all his free time planting trees and cleaning up polution, as opposed to spewing hot-air on conservative forums and warming the globe ;)
serah





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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 5:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kwlafayette wrote:
What Turner needs to do is shut down his blog and work to get back into the CPC caucus. Halton elected a Conservative, Turner roundly condemned Emerson for floor crossing, and he should work to remain a Conservative.


Good call kw. One of the few things I knew about Turner before he was ousted was that he had been quite vocal about his thoughts on Emerson. I believe MP's have a right to leave (or be asked to leave) the caucus, but that it's tacky to switch parties. I think a lot of his constituents would be horrified if he were to "Go Green." I know I would be. Even if he did, I still think (hope?) he would vote with the CPC on many matters, if only I believe one's personal values don't change despite the party name you're under.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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And Chretien and Martin weren't control freaks?


Funny how the media seems to forget how Chretien ordered his MPs to vote against extending compensation to all Hep C victims and was so ruthless that some of his female MPs were crying as they were being forced to stand and vote against it.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 8:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cool Blue wrote:
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And Chretien and Martin weren't control freaks?


Funny how the media seems to forget how Chretien ordered his MPs to vote against extending compensation to all Hep C victims and was so ruthless that some of his female MPs were crying as they were being forced to stand and vote against it.


Chretien for histories greatest monster?
kwlafayette





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PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 9:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I say it again. A party needs 12 seats in the house of Commons to achieve official party status. Garth becoming a Green does nothing for the Green party in that way. Do you guys not remember the 93 election? PC reduced to 2 seats, and they did not have official party status. No speaking privileges in the house, no opposition days alloted to them.
kwlafayette





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PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 11:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have got one for Buddy Kat.

Prove that your views are not hypocritical by posting your defences of Bev Desjarlais, Carolyn Parrish, and John Nunziata.

PS. All these MPs who were ejected from caucus by their leaders were muzzled. The first thing I expect to hear is "but, but, but, this is different". Or silence.

I await the comming farce.
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