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Do you agree with making western farmers' participation in the Wheat Board voluntary?
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biggie





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PostPosted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 2:37 pm    Post subject: Wheat Board Reply with quote

I'm in favour of making participation voluntary for western farmers. I'm actually finding it difficult to find a valid or reasonable argument against allowing it..
Any thoughts?
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 3:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Speaking as a person who actually had a wheat board quota book for a few years, it should be voluntary. You grow it, it should be yours to do with as you please. That being said, most people do not realize exactly how good the wheat board is at what it does. They have huge experience in the market; they are basically feared the world over. Hence the calls from the US, Europe, and elsewhere to disband it.

What the wheat board should do, is actually start signing up more farmers, from other countries. Go for worldwide monopoly marketing power. OPEC for wheat, as it were. Then we could stop with the subsidies, and let the market take care of farmers and our food security. It almost brings a tear to my eye, thinking that farming could be an actual good occupation again someday. An occupation where you could actually support yourself and your family by your self.

I am getting all choked up over here.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 4:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They should also expand into oil seeds and other crops. Not by force of law, but by proving to farmers that the best way to make the bottom line black, is to deal with the wheat board.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 4:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Wheat Board is an outdated remnant of the Depression. It was originally designed to keep grain prices within Canada under a certain level. If we aren't going to get rid of it, at least make it voluntary for grain farmers across the nation, not just in Western Canada.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 5:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not certain, but its been my understanding that the issues are present because they target mostly western crops - that is why they make it seem as if the west will now have voluntary participation.

It is said to be a large reason for western alienation (among other things, like the NEP ;) )
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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That being said, most people do not realize exactly how good the wheat board is at what it does. They have huge experience in the market; they are basically feared the world over


If they're that good then they'll be very succesfull in the competitive free market, and they should have nothing to fear.

That's why I can't understand the CWB saying that a making it voluntary will doom the CWB. If it really is as good as the CWB claims, then people will choose to remain with it.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is my proposal for Harper to get rid of a mandatory CWB:

1) Put the issue to a vote in the house.

If it wins, no problem; if it loses:

2) Have a vote in the house to expand the CWB to cover ALL PROVINCES

Harper would then be in a position to say to the opposition: "If the CWB is such a good idea then why don't you want to make it mandatory for all provinces?"


With such a vote it would force the opposition to either:

a) argue against the CWB and effectively contradict themselves and expose them as anti-western hypocrites

b) make the CWB mandatory for all provinces which would tick off a lot of voters

Harper could protect the CPC from any backlash from expanding the CWB by promising to make it voluntary at the soonest opportunity on the condition that he has a majority or that the opposition doesn't oppose him.

However, the vote to expand the CWB would never pass because the BQ would NEVER allow such a thing to happen in Quebec.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 1:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cool Blue wrote:
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That being said, most people do not realize exactly how good the wheat board is at what it does. They have huge experience in the market; they are basically feared the world over


If they're that good then they'll be very succesfull in the competitive free market, and they should have nothing to fear.

That's why I can't understand the CWB saying that a making it voluntary will doom the CWB. If it really is as good as the CWB claims, then people will choose to remain with it.


Exactly. The debate right now isnt about the Wheat Board it is about giving the farmers choice. Since the Libs and the Neo Socialists have less than 10% of the seats in effected ridings they should clam up and listen to the government who represent grain farmers.
Check out my blog I just wrote about this today
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