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PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2018 2:09 pm    Post subject: Bernier quits in frustraton! Reply with quote

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Maxime Bernier quits to launch new party, criticizes ‘morally corrupt’ Conservatives
Aug 23 2018 — Laura Stone and Daniel Leblanc — Globe and Mail

Quebec MP Maxime Bernier is quitting the Conservative caucus to create a new right-wing party, using his exit to launch a series of scathing attacks against Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer and his former colleagues. “I have come to realize over the past year that this party is too intellectually and morally corrupt to be reformed,” […]


The full article isn't there.

In my view, Scheer has split the party.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2018 2:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bernier's statement:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MalzT-D4ZEE

9 minutes.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2018 3:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It will be an interesting few weeks;
If he can secure enough members of the CPC caucus to get to party status he may be well positioned.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2018 4:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MP Maxime Bernier quits 'morally corrupt' Conservatives, plans to start new party



Conservative leader says Bernier was more occupied with advancing his own profile than the needs of the party


Catharine Tunney · CBC News · Posted: Aug 23, 2018 11:05 AM ET | Last Updated: 31 minutes ago




Maxime Bernier announces Thursday in Ottawa that he is leaving the Conservatives and will form his own party. (Adrian Wyld/Canadian Press)


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Divisive Quebec MP Maxime Bernier made a scorched earth exit from the Conservatives today, while announcing plans to start his own federal party.

Bernier, who represents the riding of Beauce, made the announcement Thursday in Ottawa as the party's policy convention kicks off in Halifax.

"I have come to realize over the past year that this party is too intellectually and morally corrupt to be reformed," he said, on the heels of controversial tweets he posted regarding diversity.

"I know for a fact that many in the caucus privately oppose supply management, but buying votes in a few key ridings is more important than defending the interests of Canadians."


Bernier said he plans to talk to Elections Canada on Friday and his goal is to head a party that runs candidates in all of Canada's 338 federal ridings.

"We'll have a lot of Canadians, and that new party will win the next election."


Canada's dairy supply management system has been a consistent sticking point for Bernier, but in his takedown of the party, he also attacked Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer for supporting retaliatory tariffs against the United States.

"I'm the only one in the House who is against a trade war and the only one in the House who is for Canadian consumers," he said.

Bernier has caused waves on the national scene — and within his own party — for recent tweets regarding Canada's diversity. They have been labelled xenophobic by some commentators, while others view them as the start of a much-needed debate over Canadian identity and the role of immigration.

Bernier said he spoke to Scheer nine days ago and made his decision to leave the party, adding the leader is consumed with "polls and focus groups."

Scheer, who narrowly beat Bernier at last year's leadership convention, said the former cabinet minister was more occupied with advancing his own profile than the needs of the party.


Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer says Bernier decided to serve himself rather than the Conservative Party's efforts to unseat Prime Minister Justin Trudeau. 0:49

"Today Maxime made a choice," he told reporters in Halifax. "He decided today to help Justin Trudeau."

"I always challenged him to put personal ambition aside and to concentrate on common ground that all Conservatives can rally around.… Not once did he come to me or my team with ideas for the issues he's raising."

Harper: Bernier 'seeks only to divide Conservatives​'

Leading up to Bernier's announcement, some prominent Conservatives rallied around Scheer.

Former prime minister Stephen Harper, who helped secure the historic merger of the Canadian Alliance and the Progressive Conservatives that formed the modern-day Conservative Party, says the party needs to move forward.

"It is clear that Max never accepted the result of the leadership vote and seeks only to divide Conservatives. His decision today allows the Conservative Party of Canada to move forward united behind our leader," he tweeted.


Ontario Premier Doug Ford tweeted support for Scheer, while Kory Teneycke, the former director of communications for Harper and a Bernier supporter in the leadership race, penned an op-ed for the Toronto Sun backing Scheer for prime minister.

Rachel Curran, Harper's former director of policy, put it more bluntly.

"I hope Justin Trudeau and his cabinet colleagues are breaking out the champagne in Nanaimo this morning," she tweeted, saying that the Prime Minister's Office has "secured an easy win in 2019 despite a mostly terrible summer."


Earlier this summer, Bernier was banished from the Tories' front bench and stripped of his role as innovation critic.

At the time, a Conservative MP who spoke to CBC News on the condition he not be identified said Bernier was removed because of his decision to post a chapter from his book on his website. The MP wrote that Scheer's victory as party leader was owed to "fake Conservatives" who only joined the party to defend supply management in the dairy industry.


Peter d'Entremont, who sits on the board of directors of the Libertarian Party of Canada, said it tried to court Bernier to leave the Conservative Party and join its cause, but he wasn't interested.


https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/bernier-statement-conserative-1.4795894
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2018 4:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cosmostein wrote:
It will be an interesting few weeks;
If he can secure enough members of the CPC caucus to get to party status he may be well positioned.



this has likely been a long time coming and perhaps not a surprise . it will be extremely difficult for him to start a credible new party


does anyone remember the Ontario election and all the new parties that popped up , there was talk the trillium party would have a real impact but it fizzled out long before the vote and few people even cared it existed


I doubt he'd have any chance of finding enough mp's to get party status which is 12 or 14 , I can't remember but doubtful that many would follow him , only a couple openly supported him during the leadership race
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2018 4:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder if the caucus will split?

I believe that there is a lot more support for Bernier on the ground than there is for Scheer.

The problem is that the real issues aren't what is being discussed 'in politics'.
Conservatives seem to be unable to criticize the bungled trade negotiations, for example. It's left to Ezra Levant to provide an alternative view.

Just for what it's worth, our side has no 'vocabulary' that can stand up to 'political correctness', particularly in the workplace. And yet, the majority thinks that it is, in some measure or other, a kind of craziness. Nobody knows how it's happening -- perhaps because it is happening inside public institutions that the public trusts. Most notably, through the school system.

As an example: The Danforth shooting. The big question isn't being addressed because nobody wants to say the words that a big chunk of Toronto is asking -- why did he do it? The education system has so hyped people about racism that even talking about jihadis, or recognizing the role race plays in gang violence is to be racist.

To admit of suspicion is to risk being singled out as a bigot. To do so publicly almost guarantees a charge of instilling hate -- am I wrong? It's occupational poison in the cubicle world. And it means we can't discuss what's on our minds. The closest we can come to it is a discussion of daft ideas like MORE gun control!

So the police don't tell us, and we don't ask. Or at least our journalists don't ask.

The same kind of "chill" surrounds issues of gender as well. With environmentalism, it is less stigmatizing but still heavily present. It's as bad as smoking tobacco to be a clmate skeptic.

Social Justice is, in fact, the newest transformation of 'the Left'. It's the welfare state machine taken over by the social justice management. And if we want to compete, we have to learn how to argue with them.

The difference between 'social justice' and old-fashioned British Labour Party inspired NDP socialism is that now they don't just come for a chunk of your productivity every paycheck, they want your culture and 'your history as well.

This is what makes the present so explosive. As soon as a public figure talks about these issues in a common-sense way, they get an initial blast of public humiliation -- along with a lot of support. The thing is -- if they persist, with common-sense arguments, the support grows while political correctness retreats to legal action.

Bernier has the potential not only grow geometrically in terms of support, but to absorb the energy. The other parties end up fighting the agenda, but it's the same agenda.

I think it's within the range of possibilities that Bernier will win enough seats in Quebec to occupy the place the Bloc used to occupy. For people abandoning the NDP, what's the better choice? They don't want to vote for Trudeau. So it comes down to a choice between the testicularly challenged Andrew Scheer and the dashing Bernier, the man with a mission.

Scheer is a political dunce for allowing this situation to come about. He has already failed as a leader because he has forced a split with someone who ought to be an ally. I sensed this from the first moments after the convention results were announced if you will recall -- it was that obvious. It should nave been even more obvious to Scheer.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2018 8:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I remember the plane ride home after Mulroney won the leadership from Clark, there was talk of starting the 'Dump Brian' movement.
Bernier would have been better off being the good soldier and biding his time.
That being said, some one should call that village in the Beauce and tell them we've located their idiot.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2018 8:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bernier contacted ‘key people’ before announcing new party, source says

By Janice Dickson. Published on Aug 24, 2018 4:30am


Former Conservative MP Maxime Bernier holds a press conference in Ottawa on Thursday, August 23, 2018. iPolitics/Matthew Usherwood



OTTAWA — Quebec MP Maxime Bernier had already hit the ground running before Thursday’s bombshell announcement that he would quit the Conservatives and launch his own party, a source close to the controversial MP says.

The source, who spoke to The Canadian Press on the condition of anonymity, said the MP for the riding of Beauce made a number of phone calls to “key people” across Canada before his news conference sent seismic shockwaves through political Ottawa.

The group Bernier chose to inform was small but powerful — organizers and business people in cities like Toronto, Calgary and Vancouver, with “many contacts” who supported his unsuccessful Conservative leadership bid, said the source said.

On Thursday, as his now-former caucus mates gathered for the biennial Conservative policy convention in Halifax, Bernier declared he would no longer represent the Tories and would instead strike out on his own and start a party of his own.

“I have come to realize over the past year that this party is too intellectually and morally corrupt to be reformed,” Bernier said in a lengthy statement savaging both the party and its current leadership.

But when asked repeatedly who he had consulted before his decision, he would only say, “I’m starting that conversation right now.”

So far, no Conservative MPs have publicly expressed any support for Bernier’s endeavour. But Steven Fletcher, a former Tory minister who supported Bernier’s leadership bid, said he is open to the possibility of joining the cause.

Fletcher, too, has been on the outs with the Conservatives: he was denied the chance to seek the nomination for a riding in Winnipeg in anticipation of the 2019 election.

Observers and pundits were nearly unanimous Thursday in declaring Bernier’s decision bad news for Andrew Scheer’s Conservatives, but Adam Daifallah, managing partner of Montreal public affairs firm Hatley Strategy Advisors, said it’s “way too early” to know for sure.

“If it’s purely the Max show, then no,” said Daifallah, who suggested the new, as-yet-unnamed party would need at least 100 candidates on the ballot — Canada has 338 federal ridings all told — in order to have an impact.

— With files from Mia Rabson in Ottawa


https://ipolitics.ca/2018/08/24/bernier-contacted-key-people-before-announcing-new-party-source-says/
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2018 8:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Liberals cautious about potential electoral impact of Bernier bombshell

By Canadian Press. Published on Aug 23, 2018 10:30pm



NANAIMO, B.C. — Conservatives, from leader Andrew Scheer on down, are predicting that Maxime Bernier’s decision to quit their party and start his own will end up helping Justin Trudeau’s Liberals win re-election next year.

But one notable person isn’t taking that bet: Trudeau himself.

The prime minister was careful Thursday, as he wrapped up a three-day cabinet retreat on Vancouver Island, to avoid wading into the Conservatives’ civil war.

“Over these past three days, I’ve remained focused with my team on how we’re going to continue to serve Canadians,” Trudeau said at a news conference.

“I’m going to let Conservatives focus on themselves, as they are right now. We’re going to stay focused on Canadians.”

Federal cabinet ministers repeated much the same message, as did Liberal MPs trotted out at the Conservatives’ national convention in Halifax to respond to the Bernier bombshell.

Their reluctance to gloat over the Tory turmoil likely reflects an old political maxim: Never get in the way of an opponent who’s self-destructing.

But it also reflects a genuine caution. Liberal insiders privately admit they don’t know how Bernier’s departure will affect the Tories — or, by extension, their own party — in the long term.

If other Conservative notables — including MPs but, most importantly, donors — follow Bernier in his bid to create a new, more libertarian party, that could well split the Tory family and deplete their well-stocked war chest. In that case, the Liberals could indeed stand to benefit — particularly in the renegade MP’s home province of Quebec, where the Conservatives have been hoping to make gains.

If, however, Bernier finds himself isolated and unable to attract much support, he could quickly become irrelevant. In that case, the Liberals would have lost one of their best cudgels with which to beat Scheer, who would no longer have to placate or account for the controversial views of his prickly former leadership rival.

Liberal strategists privately point out that politics, in an era when few voters feel any long-term attachment to any particular party, has become highly unpredictable — which is why Trudeau stuck to his party’s own game plan during his wrap-up news conference Thursday.

“As we head into the fall, our government will remain focused on building a better Canada for all Canadians. Our priority is and always will be helping working people get ahead,” he said.

Trudeau did, however, take one shot at the Conservatives, over the revelation that a Tory robocall in a Toronto riding used the cancer diagnosis facing the riding’s Liberal MP, Salma Zahid, to try to recruit new members.

“We all have friends and family members who’ve struggled with cancer. And for any political party to bring that element into partisan politics … I hope all Canadians regardless of political parties are better than that,” he said.

“And I really hope that the party responsible for this responds appropriately and commits to never do anything like this again.”

The Conservatives have blamed the robocall on one now-former member of the party’s riding association.

Zahid announced last February that she had been diagnosed with stage four non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma. Trudeau said Liberals are relieved that Zahid’s cancer is now in remission.

And with just over a year until the next federal election, Trudeau gave no hint Thursday of any change in direction. Indeed, while he did not directly rule out proroguing Parliament this fall and laying out a new pre-election agenda in a throne speech, Trudeau did say, “I don’t really believe that it came up” during the retreat.



Joan Bryden, The Canadian Press


https://ipolitics.ca/2018/08/23/liberals-cautious-about-potential-electoral-impact-of-bernier-bombshell/
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2018 8:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The media are as one, rising up to condemn Bernier for his 'treason'.

But this has occurred after Scheer has floated balloons about having Bernier ousted from the party just days earlier!

The first obligation of a leader -- particularly one who wins by less than 1% of the 'weighted points' that were counted on the 13th ballot -- is to unify the party.

Scheer was so off-base with his first moves as leader that I called him out on it at the time! His first obligation is to restore unity. A political party is a coalition. He made no move to keep O'Leary involved, and he distanced himself from Bernier. He accepted the leadership the way a monarch accepts a crown.

This is fundamentally Andrew Scheer's failure.

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How serious is this? Is there any way that Bernier's new party, if financed well, won't skim off 10% of the Conservative vote?

Think of it this way -- Harper unified the right, and rode to power for nine years. Scheer has split the party, and knocked it back to where the CA was. Or maybe worse. (I haven't seen Scheer on the campaign trail yet, but judging from the stiff arrogance I have seen, I don't think he's got the magic.)
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2018 9:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Governments are elected from the centre. It wasn't Sheer who caused the disunity. When Clark lost to Mulroney, he immediately became a loyal soldier for Brian.
Bernier carries serious baggage. He is a climate change denier. He left secret cabinet documents in the home of a woman who's boyfriend was a Hells Angel. He is putting ideology ahead of the Party. All of these factors call into question his judgement.
He lost to Andrew Sheer. That labels him as a L-O-S-E-R. For the next year, he will have no voice in Parliament. He will spend the time touring and appealing to other losers. New Democrats, antifa, libertarians are all living on the edges of the political spectrum. They are a coalition of losers. Max has found his home. It is too bad he felt the need to attack the only party with a chance to make Trudeau a loser. Max has no concept of working for the good of the country. It is all about Max.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2018 10:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a different attitude. A political party has a responsibility to represent its electoral base. It then goes out and attracts support from the centre.

Clark had already had his shot, and failed. He accepted the number two spot because it was his only option. He had been defeated in a convention, by his own standard.
Nobody was going to follow Joe Clark on the basis of his personal appeal.

It's time for Scheer to step down and become number two like Clark did.

There's no obligation on anyone in politics to lose. Loyalties are formed around that understanding. There are often intense rivalries between leading fitures. Think of Martin and Chretien, for example. Good leaders manage those rivalries.

At the same time, the politicians on one side help each other. After a leadership run, the contenders come to agreements about their future roles, and they reshape the party. The idea of Parliamentary government is that is collegial. It 'brokers' deals between various interests as represented by the leading figures of the party.

That isn't Scheer's style. The first thing he did was make the party a one-man show. He marginalized Bernier and O'Leary from the start. He had sold our trade policy to the dairy cartel, and that's why he was at extreme odds with Bernier.

Scheer conspicuously failed at his first obligation of a new leader -- restoring unity and focussing energy. He simply dismissed Bernier, and gave him no influence. Then he went after the nominations of some of his other rivals. Less than a week before the convention he floated a balloon about expelling Bernier from the party.

You ignore a lot in order to justify Scheer. What should Bernier have done? How would you have read the omens if you were in Bernier's shoes?

What is your reason, queenmandy, to rally to the current leader, the spokesman (fundamentally) for the dairy cartel? What does he stand for? What has he ever accomplished? What are his ideas? Has he any? Hmmm?

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The Trudeau regime is falling apart because it is so-oo bad that it embarrasses Canadians! It's certainly not because of what Scheer has done!

In my mind, Scheer is the one responsible for splitting the party because he was the one with the responsibility to restore unity in the first place. That's a requirement of national political leaders.

The point is we are here now. What is to be done? The situation is desperate and our leadership pool (in all the parties) has never been so bad! I don't see any of them with any political energy or cunning -- or even a plan.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2018 10:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My choice for leader would have been Raitt, because Ambrose did not run. But Sheer won so that settled it. The onus was on Bernier to step up for party unity.
The Canadian team around NAFTA includes Ambrose, Moore and Mulroney. As James Moore said yesterday, if you give away supply management, what do you get in return?
The trade war is not Canada's doing. How do you suggest fighting the Americans on trade. As far as I can see, Max's strategy is to bend over and whimper "We surrender."
The Americans put forward their idiotic sunset clause so we counter with gender equity. I hope you aren't against gender equality? If you do, you lose 51% of the electorate.
The problem with Bernier is he is stupid. He has demonstrated he lacks the capacity for long range thinking. He is glued to ideology. He ignores the science behind climate change. Climate change deniers will stare at the moon and say it is the sun. Stupid people. Max left secret cabinet documents in the house of the girl friend of a Hells Angel. His only motivation for this move was his poor little feelings were hurt and so he tried to blow up the Party. It wouldn't be a problem for Bernier to speak out if he had something intelligent and constructive to say, but he is just so embarrassingly stupid.
"Nobody was going to follow Joe Clark on the basis of his personal appeal. " Actually, during the convention, I overheard a group of Mulroney supporters complaining Clark supporters were fanatics. I am still proud to be a soldier for Joe.
"It's time for Scheer to step down and become number two like Clark did."
The difference being that Clark lost and Sheer won.
The key for the CPC to win an election and the get re-elected, is to win the support of red tories and blue liberals. Elections are won in the centre.
I am all for Max to appeal to his base. They are just like New Democrats, clinging to the electoral wilderness, the land of losers.
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Re: the trade war. In effect, Trump offered us a quick and easy deal because we had put supply management on the table at the IPCC negotiations. That gives egg producers and dairy farmers a cartel, protected by high tariffs. How is that a 'surrender' if we opt for lower prices for consumers and competition in the food marketplace?

It's the same with cell phones and all the electronic stuff. We pay the most for cell phone service and there are countries in Africa that have more features. Why? Is it our national mission to make Rogers rich?

The very fact that you are standing up politically for an agricultural cartel that imposes significantly higher prices on their captive market -- against lower prices and more competition -- illustrates Scheer's failure.

Now we aren't even at the negotiations, and Mexico, who we swore to side with so that the evil Americans don't push it around -- had no trouble abandoning Canada. Now we're in a take-it-ir-leave-it situation or lose our auto jobs altogether. Seriously, queenmandy, when in your lifetime has a Canadian government screwed up this badly?

And your man has nothing to say! Except shut up and sit down.

Your mind seems full of metaphors that belong in a bathhouse. Nobody is 'bending over' for anybody. The problem is the USA is determined to reform a trade system that is losing them half a $trillion a year. That's a problem for the trading system, not just the USA -- so we should have looked for a solution that involves more trade, not less, because our standard of living depends on that trading system.

I know you never thought of this. What is there about a 'sunset clause' that makes it a deal-breaker? Can you tell me? Or are you just repeating Liberal Party talking points? "Stupid" Bernier can talk about these things. Can you? (You couldn't tell me what Andrew's achievements have been either.)

Bernier is the only one with any alternatives. Scheer is a blank sheet. He doesn't know which way the wind will blow yet. He can't be a leader that way.
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"What is there about a 'sunset clause' that makes it a deal-breaker? Can you tell me?"
It means perpetual uncertainty. It is bad for business. Stockwell Day said so.
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