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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2018 12:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

( the liberals have no data to prove 50% of illegal guns come from domestic sources , no data what so ever . the claim is clearly entirely made up , a tall tale , with no evidence what so ever )


Liberal lie on domestic guns exposed, again

November 10, 2018 Brian Lilley Canadian Politics 0
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For months we have been treated to a repeated lie about where crime guns come from in this country.

We are told over and over again that 50% of crime guns used in Canada are domestically sourced, that they are stolen from law abiding gun owners.


Of course neither police nor the Liberal politicians that put this idea forward can ever back it up. They don’t provide evidence, they just make the claim and most media print it.

The claim has actually been debunked by myself several times but also, let me give credit, to Global and CBC for following this story and exposing the lie.

But this claim is still out there and is being used as part of the justification for needing a handgun ban in Canada.

More evidence to expose the lie.

Well now we have another piece of evidence that this claim is false.

On top of Stats Canada saying they have no records or data to back up this claim, beyond the Canadian Firearms Information System saying they do not have records or track such stats, there is a new admission.


Public Safety Canada says they have no records to back up this claim that has been made by their own minister, Ralph Goodale.

Researcher Dennis Young asked Public Safety to provide records on the number of stolen guns in Canada over the past several years by province and where the gun was stolen from. He asked for data on guns stolen from private homes, retailers, police or military and more.

The response from Public Safety was telling.


“A thorough search was conducted and Public Safety Canada was unable to locate any records responding to your request.”


Now if Public Safety even had partial records on this kind of information, say just the number of guns stolen from homes, they would have to release it.

They have no data.

Which means they are making it up.

I’ve asked Ottawa Police for the source of their claim and they told me they don’t have the data, the RCMP have been asked for the same by others and told they don’t have it.

In fact, I know of no police force or government agency that can provide any such data to back up the claim that 50% of guns used in crimes are domestically sourced.

Because that data does not exist.

The Trudeau government says they develop policy based on facts, evidence and science. In fact we are being told we have to hand over our banking information without our consent to StatsCan so that they can get better data on all of us.

Yet when it comes to making policy about firearms, they literally make stuff up.

This fake 50% stat is being used to scare people that don’t own guns and don’t know people that own guns so that they will back the gun ban idea.

They don’t know that gun owners are far less likely to commit crimes than the average citizen.

Debunking this fake stat has been done before and will be need to be done again.

Beating back a lie takes time.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2018 8:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fatal shooting in northwest Toronto homicide #89


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Published:
November 14, 2018


Updated:
November 14, 2018 8:02 AM EST


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A man is dead after a shooting near Albion and Weston Rds., the city’s record-tying 89th homicide of the year.

Toronto Police say up to 10 shots were reported on Ann Arbour Rd. just before midnight Tuesday.

Officers found a male victim without vital signs in a vehicle. He was taken to a trauma centre, where he died.

There was no immediate information on any suspects or the victim’s identity.

The murder ties the city’s record for homicides, which was set in 1991.


“You are always shocked when you get news like this,” said Supt. Ron Taverner, who heads up 23, 12 and 31 Divisions. “Every murder is shocking.”

Speaking from the murder scene, he said he was hoping to not get that call, “but when it came, it is upsetting. This is another young person lost.”

Last week, Taverner told media that the northwest corner of Toronto has had about 40% of the city’s shootings. It’s not lost on him that it was inevitable another one would likely come.

But he was hoping it could be avoided. “We have been taking a lot of guns off the street,” he said.

“What we don’t know is how many homicides we prevent because of the actions we take to take guns off the street.”

He credited paramedics for keeping the homicide number from being much higher and his officers for “working so hard to try to keep the community safe.”

When you have 89 murders, tying the mark set in 1991, it’s a sombre day, he said.

“The problem is there are so many guns out there.”


https://torontosun.com/news/local-news/fatal-shooting-in-northwest-toronto-homicide-89
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2018 9:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good question ... how many murders do the Toronto police prevent? Does anyone know of any?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2018 1:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DC CARRY PERMITS JUMP OVER 1440 PERCENT SINCE DISTRICT WENT ‘SHALL ISSUE’
8:56 PM 11/13/2018 | GUNS AND GEAR
Kerry Picket | Reporter

WASHINGTON — The number of Washington D.C. concealed carry permit holders skyrocketed a little over 1440 percent since the District lost a key legal battle related to its previous restrictive gun permitting process at the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia last year.

The Metropolitan Police Department confirmed to The Daily Caller Tuesday that 1,896 concealed carry permits were issued by MPD for the calendar year to date 2018.

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Prior the court ruling, according to The Washington Post, only 123 people had active D.C. concealed carry permits and MPD previously denied 77 percent of applicants for not providing the once-mandated “good reason” to carry.
https://dailycaller.com/2018/11/13/dc-ccws-jump-over-1440-percent/
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If the police cannot protect one, surely one has the right to protect oneself?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2018 1:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scheer lays out Tory plan for gun violence, rejects calls for handgun ban


Canadian Press
Updated: November 19, 2018


OTTAWA — Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer says he wants to tackle a surge of gun violence in Canada by targeting criminals who use weapons illegally, rather than supporting an outright handgun ban.

Scheer is to unveil the second part of his plan for improving public safety Tuesday in Delta, B.C.: a policy plank focused entirely on guns.

It is a response to the calls for a ban on handguns and assault weapons in Canada, and instead proposes to give police more tools and write tougher laws to crack down on illegal gun users in Canada.

Scheer’s gun policy includes seven new policy measures that will target repeat offenders or criminals that help to make illegal guns available on the streets. They include tougher sentences for those who knowingly possess smuggled weapons and cracking down on so-called “straw purchases” in which guns bought by otherwise legal buyers are diverted to criminal markets. New penalties for selling guns to people already prohibited from possessing them are also part of the Conservative plan.

“We need to get guns out of the hands of people who use them to commit crimes, and that’s what this policy will do,” said a senior Conservative party official. “A handgun ban may sound like a good idea, but it will only make criminals out of responsible gun owners while doing nothing to prevent criminals from getting guns.”


Scheer will also vow to create a special task force to try to keep guns from being smuggled in from the United States.

Canada has had a rash of gun killings this year, including a mass shooting on Toronto’s Danforth Avenue in July that killed an 18-year-old woman and a 10-year-old girl and injured 13 others.

A shooting this weekend at a community-housing complex in Toronto was the 90th homicide this year in the city, breaking the record for the deadliest year in Toronto since 1991.

Calls for Ottawa to ban handguns and assault weapons have been growing, including from both Montreal and Toronto city councils.

Scheer has taken a strong stance against the push for a handgun ban, saying it would penalize law-abiding gun owners while failing to address the ongoing use and smuggling of illegal guns by criminals and gang members.

Scheer announced the first part of his public safety policy earlier this month, in which he outlined more punitive measures for gang members and organized crime organizations. He also wants to impose tougher jail sentences and limit parole and bail opportunities for gang members who are repeat and violent offenders.

Since 2013, gang-related homicides in Canada’s largest cities have almost doubled, according to Public Safety Canada.

https://vancouversun.com/news/national/scheer-lays-out-tory-plan-for-gun-violence-rejects-calls-for-handgun-ban/wcm/c4d78e8a-0964-4b04-b99a-0d1ab0461a5e
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2018 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It has taken Andrew Scheer four months to come up with this plan. That's not good enough. But of course, he wouldn't want to be spontaneous, not when he can have everything focus-group tested.

And he comes up with ... what, exactly?

His new plan lacks ... a plan. It's a statement of goals, but no explanation of how Wonderful Andrew is going to make it happen, except by spending money ... and praying its effective. How's that different from the Liberals.

I await Part 2.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2018 8:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bugs wrote:
It has taken Andrew Scheer four months to come up with this plan. That's not good enough. But of course, he wouldn't want to be spontaneous, not when he can have everything focus-group tested.

And he comes up with ... what, exactly?

His new plan lacks ... a plan. It's a statement of goals, but no explanation of how Wonderful Andrew is going to make it happen, except by spending money ... and praying its effective. How's that different from the Liberals.

I await Part 2.



Scheer's plan is not perfect but at least it targets the criminals and he is not proposing to take away guns or deny licenses to Canada's legal gun owners if they follow the rules



I don't know if there is really any perfect piece of legislation in this situation and either way the criminals will ignore the laws until they get caught and arrested


what the liberals are proposing is far worse for canada's legal gun owners and extremely unlikely to be effective as criminals will not abide by any new rules and laws anyways
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2018 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sorry, but so far as I can see this will be more useless spending. Upping the sentences on offenders? Sure, up to a point. But you are talking about taking the guns out of the hands of people who hire other people to kill people. The murders we're talking about are not crimes of passion, though passion may be involved. The murders we are talking about are the cold, rational killings growing out of financial deals gone bad, or revenge for some imagined display of disrespect in underworld circles.

Most likely, all that would happen is that the prices for guns would go up and be paid for by people with thousands wadded up in bundles under their mattresses.

And they must surely know that.

I give them some credit -- they are drawing some of the fire out of the gun-ban idea's appeal. He suggests targetting the enforcement which is probably being done as well as the local boys can do. Face it, the last thing any politician wants is Moslems going around the city happily shooting Danforth shoppers. But that's just politics. How is this plan going to make anything better in a measurable way?
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 10:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

( trudeau is now using the term " limit access " instead of some sort of all out ban for certain types of guns such as hand guns and assault style rifles . as to what limit access exact means , I don't really know but for him to suggest it will be easy to prevent organized criminals from acquiring weapons doesn't seem to be based in reality .
as they don't have easy access as things stand now , no criminal can just walk in a store and buy a gun , they don't have licenses and would fail security checks. as to how he's claiming they have easy access to guns under our current laws does not make sense )



Trudeau says government will limit access to handguns, assault weapons


The Canadian Press
Published Thursday, December 6, 2018 10:27AM EST



MONTREAL - Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says his government plans to limit access to handguns and assault weapons to confront gun violence in the country.

Speaking to Montreal radio station 98.5 FM today on the anniversary of the 1989 Ecole Polytechnique massacre, Trudeau did not rule out a full ban when asked by the host.

The prime minister says the government is looking at different alternatives to address a situation he called unacceptable. But he says the goal is to limit the easy access criminals have to handguns and assault weapons.


In 2015, Trudeau campaigned on a promise to get handguns and assault weapons off the streets, but gun-control advocates recently criticized the government for failing to follow through.

Today's comments come as Montreal marks the 29th anniversary of shootings that killed 14 women at the Ecole Polytechnique engineering school.

Trudeau is scheduled to join Premier Francois Legault and other dignitaries at the end of the day at a memorial event on Mount Royal.


https://www.cp24.com/news/trudeau-says-government-will-limit-access-to-handguns-assault-weapons-1.4207261
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 11:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess this stuff works. It seems artificial, and kind of "oily" to me. As if it has been cleared by the focus-group experts ... but it's only a change in terminology, just as whatever they do will only be for appearances, and won't be expected to change much.

Whatever it changes will end up affecting the wrong people. I know a change they could make -- how about the death sentence for these cold, financially-inspired murders? Or hired killers?

The death sentence is a real deterrent for these execution murders. And if they fail to stop gun trafficking, perhaps we should take the hired killers away from those who hire them.

Speaking of which, there are some interesting new 'execution ideas' being developed by our Islamic neighbours. Is throwing someone off a building really such a bad form of execution? There's no pain until that final squish, and that is short enough. Or drowning in a cage? Why shouldn't such people die in terror rather than be housed and fed for the rest of their days? The point is, after all, deterrence. ;)
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 11:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bugs wrote:
I guess this stuff works. It seems artificial, and kind of "oily" to me. As if it has been cleared by the focus-group experts ... but it's only a change in terminology, just as whatever they do will only be for appearances, and won't be expected to change much.

Whatever it changes will end up affecting the wrong people. I know a change they could make -- how about the death sentence for these cold, financially-inspired murders? Or hired killers?

The death sentence is a real deterrent for these execution murders. And if they fail to stop gun trafficking, perhaps we should take the hired killers away from those who hire them.

Speaking of which, there are some interesting new 'execution ideas' being developed by our Islamic neighbours. Is throwing someone off a building really such a bad form of execution? There's no pain until that final squish, and that is short enough. Or drowning in a cage? Why shouldn't such people die in terror rather than be housed and fed for the rest of their days? The point is, after all, deterrence. ;)



the problem I see is that Trudeau's got himself into this by listening to far left anti gun groups ( who could care less if any Canadians owned any guns legally ) and wacky city councils who feel the same

it seems this whole idea was created by the PMO office after a summer of gun violence in Toronto as a way to make the liberals more popular

well gun crime is a real problem his solution targets a non existent problem , there is no evidence gun owners who have acquired a restricted license ( license class needed for hand guns ) are abusing those privileges and that cracking down on such people would actually reduce crime


most criminals have never had a gun license and never acquired a gun thru legal means so what good would targeting legal gun owners do to crack down on crime being committed by hard core criminals ?


he now has to come up with a solution that pleases the far left activists , makes himself more popular well at the same time not angering legal gun owners too much
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 11:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think this will be as far as it goes. By looking like they are going to do something, they pacify their more urban supporters. By not actually doing anything, they avoid riling up their opposition in the countryside. This is their maximum benefit position (as they see it) right now.

That's my bet.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 12:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

( although maybe gun crime is surging , just saw on the news there was a firearms related murder in sleepy North Bay Ontario last night . a city I personally cannot recall a gun murder occurring in some time .

although its highly doubtful the shooters were legal gun owners , it wouldn't be that hard to acquire a shotgun on the black market in northern Ontario where there so common )



North Bay murder victim identified; 2 men, blue car sought by police

News 10:42 AM Almaguin News|



NORTH BAY - UPDATE (10:35 a.m. Thursday, Dec. 6): Police are confirming that the shooting that took the life of a North Bay man last night (Wednesday, Dec. 5) took place in the Pinewood area of North Bay at a residence on Beattie Street. There will be an increased police presence in that area as the investigation continues.

They do not believe that this was a random attack or that there is a concern for public safety at this time and are now searching for two men in relation to the firearm-related homicide.

The identity of the victim has been given as Abraham Kamerman, 45, of North Bay.


Police are looking to identify a blue four-door compact Chevrolet car seen leaving the area along with two men described as:


1. A man, approximately 5 feet 10 inches, with a slender build, last seen wearing a light-coloured sweater with a dark mask or toque.

2. A man, medium in height, with a slender build, last seen wearing dark clothing.


At this time interviews have been conducted and police continue to canvass the area for more information. The North Bay Forensic Identification Unit is back on scene now that we are in daylight hours.

Officers, including members of the Emergency Response Team, responded to a firearm-related call shortly before 9 p.m. on Wednesday, Dec. 5 in the Pinewood Area of North Bay.

They found a man in a residence suffering from gunshot wounds who was transported to hospital where he was pronounced dead.

The firearm involved in the attack has not been recovered.

The North Bay Police Criminal Investigation Section is continuing the investigation at this time with the assistance of the North Bay Forensic Identification Unit.

Police are asking anyone who may have information related to this occurrence, including home security footage in the area, to contact the North Bay Police Service at 705-497-5555 and select option 9 to speak to a police officer.


https://www.northbaynipissing.com/news-story/9070004-north-bay-murder-victim-identified-2-men-blue-car-sought-by-police/
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 2:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

( its appears the North Bay murder occurred in a well known drug house , which neighbours described as constantly troubled and murder was likely drug related )


Updated: Police find man shot dead in Pinewood area home


Police believe this is not a random attack and there is no concern for public safety

about 8 hours ago by: BayToday Staff
Updated about 3 hours ago

Update 10 a.m.:

Reliable sources tell BayToday that the victim is a 45-year-old man who was shot three times with a shotgun, and shell casings have been found around the building.


The murder appears drug-related
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The North Bay Police are investigating a shooting death that took place last night in the city.


Shortly before 9 p.m. on December 5th members of the North Bay Police responded to an incident at the corner of 889 Beattie and Vimy in the Pinewood area of North Bay.

One man is dead, sources tell BayToday, he was shot three times from a shotgun. Shell casings were found on the scene.

Police are expected to provide an update at a news conference later this morning.

Officers, including members of the Emergency Response Team, responded to a firearm related call. Upon arrival, they found a man in a residence suffering from gunshot wounds. He was transported to hospital and shortly after arrival was pronounced dead.

Witnesses say they saw spotlights shining into the second floor of the residence and police were in the neighbourhood with guns drawn throughout the night.


North Bay Police are currently seeking the whereabouts of at least one suspect in this investigation. Police believe this was not a random attack and that there is no concern for public safety. However, the firearm involved in the incident has not been recovered yet.

Police do not have a description of the suspects at this time.

North Bay Police are not releasing the name of the victim until next of kin has been notified.

The North Bay Police Criminal Investigation Section is continuing the investigation at this time with the assistance of the North Bay Forensic Identification Unit.

Police are asking anyone with information involving this investigation to contact the North Bay Police Service at 705-497-5555 and select option 9 to speak to a police officer.

For those who wish to remain anonymous, contact Near North Crime Stoppers, by calling 1-800-222-TIPS (8477) or by submitting a tip online at nearnorthcrimestoppers.com.


https://www.baytoday.ca/local-news/police-find-man-shot-dead-in-pinewood-park-area-home-1149340
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