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PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2018 1:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dad at McDonald's with kids shoots and kills masked gunman who opened fire

An father dining with his children at McDonald's in Birmingham, Alabama, fatally shot a masked man who entered the fast food restaurant and opened fire, CBS affiliate WIAT reports.

Birmingham Police responded to the McDonald's at around 10:45 p.m. Sunday after receiving reports that multiple people had been shot. When an employee opened the door to let a father and his two sons out of the restaurant, a masked man entered. The man then began shooting. Investigators say it is not clear whether he intended to rob the McDonald's or was targeting someone inside.

The father then opened fire on the gunman, fatally wounding him. The unidentified dad and one of his kids, a minor, were also struck, but do not have life-threatening injuries.

The investigation is still ongoing, but based on the preliminary information, the father won't face any charges, the station reports
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/birmingham-mcdonalds-shooting-father-shoots-and-kills-masked-gunman-who-opened-fire-at-alabama-restaurant/
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2018 8:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

( liberals now admit hand guns are the centre of there discussions and that assault weapons need to be better defined and blair himself is now calling them assault style rifle ? term I've rarely heard used )


Minister drops ‘assault weapons’ from gun-ban consultations

By Tim Naumetz. Published on Nov 1, 2018 7:19am


Border Security Minister Bill Blair has dropped the term “assault weapon” from his firearm vocabulary after an initial series of roundtable discussions in a government study of possible bans on handguns and assault rifles in Canada.

As he continues an examination of the potential ban, Blair now uses the term “assault-style” rifle.

Blair disclosed Wednesday that handguns were the centre of attention in talks that began after he launched the review earlier this month, but he said the government’s use of the term assault rifle, or assault weapon, came up in discussion with gun advocacy organizations who oppose the term.

After a spike in handgun shootings earlier this year, including a handgun attack that killed a young woman and a girl in Toronto, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau advised Blair in August to examine a “full ban on handguns and assault weapons in Canada” as part of his new role as minister for border security and organized crime reduction.

While groups demanding tighter gun control have described models of semi-automatic rifles used in mass shootings in Canada and the U.S. as assault rifles, gun owners who use the restricted weapons for sport target shooting object to their depiction as assault weapons.

Many of the sport rifles — including the AR-15 semi-automatic carbine used in the Pittsburgh synagogue massacre last Saturday — are modified civilian versions of tactical military rifles originally designed for combat.

They’re common in Canada, with 7,490 AR-15s and variants listed in the RCMP National Firearm Registry as of January 2017.

Summing up his consultations so far with the firearm community and gun-control groups, Blair said a Public Safety Canada discussion paper at the start of the consultation drew attention because of its statement that assault weapons are not legally defined in Canada’s firearm legislation.

“There was some discussion about it, and that’s one of the reasons I refer to it as assault-style rifle,” Blair said in an interview after the weekly Liberal caucus meeting.

“I think it’s an important distinction, and there are a number of ways in which that can be defined, but there were a number of perspectives on it, as well,” Blair said. “I think it was important to hear from Canadians, and to hear from all of those different viewpoints on … that style of weapon, and how we might ensure the safety of all Canadians.”

He made the comments in response to a reporter’s comparison of the cross-country dialogue on a possible ban to a “guns and gangs” summit that Public Safety Minister Ralph Goodale hosted last March.

New gun-control legislation in its final parliamentary stages, in the Senate, is primarily aimed at the reinstatement of mandatory licence validation in the purchase of non-restricted firearms, along with mandatory record-keeping by gun sellers and wider background checks.

The legislation, Bill C-71, also restores tougher controls over models of imported Swiss and Czechoslovakian semi-automatic rifles after the former Conservative government lowered their classifications before the 2015 federal election.

Blair suggested the AR-15 tactical rifle, popular in part for its low price, could be one of the rifle models that require a more definitive classification.

“There are a number of variations of it, and we don’t have a precise technical description. Restricted firearms have a more technical definition; assault-style rifles are less precisely defined,” Blair said.

The engagement paper posted by Public Safety as part of the consultation cites a U.S. Department of Justice description that was applied in a U.S. federal ban on assault weapons under then-president Bill Clinton and Democrat lawmakers in 1994.

“In general, assault weapons are semi-automatic firearms with a large magazine of ammunition that were designed and configured for rapid fire,” says the former U.S. law, the Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act.

After widespread opposition from the National Rifle Association and gun owners in the U.S., then-president George W. Bush and Congress did not renew the act when it expired in 2004.


https://ipolitics.ca/2018/11/01/minister-drops-assault-weapons-from-gun-ban-consultations/
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2018 8:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

( also saw this abacus data poll online a very small % of Canadians think gun violence is a big problem in Canada , only 27 % , in the US that number is 53 % . indicating to me the liberals are going after a relatively small % of the Canadian public if they push for further and much stronger gun control , its not something a large % of the public is worried about )




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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2018 8:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Even the 27% is probably based on fears that come from American media accounts.

Do you think any of this is serious., or just staged pseudo-events? It makes it look as if they are 'doing something' about guns when, of course, all they're doing is yammering.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bugs wrote:
Even the 27% is probably based on fears that come from American media accounts.

Do you think any of this is serious., or just staged pseudo-events? It makes it look as if they are 'doing something' about guns when, of course, all they're doing is yammering.



according to his poll more Canadians were worried about - wages/cost of living 48% , gap between rich and poor 46 % , drug addiction / drugs 41 % , climate change 40 % , federal budget deficit 36 % , illegal immigration 36% , job oppurtunities 26 %


but the liberals want to go all out on guns even though only 27 % think its a serious problem in Canada . and when you consider the liberals are polling somewhere in the mid 30% range , that 27% could include most of there existing supporters so they might not even be gaining many votes on this issue
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think this is another one of those issues that motivate a sub-section of voters. female activists in particular. There is a way in which women -- speaking statistically -- react to what might happen, rather than what is happening. That is, they protect themselves by anticipating threats, rather than waiting for them to happen, for a very good reason. I am not being critical.

That has the consequence that images that rouse fears -- even though they come from thousands of miles away -- can trigger these worries. And, of course, the manipulators know this.

And then, of course, there are the men who go along with them because ... if momma ain't happy, nobody's happy.

So ... when a Moslem goes down the street, popping off likely targets ... the problem is the gun ... not the nice Moslem gentleman pulling the trigger.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2018 8:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

( one of the main reasons many people say a hand gun ban won't work is that smugglers can bring hand guns across the border illegally and don't need to purchase them in Canada . as was the case with this attempted smuggler )



25 handguns hidden in gas tank seized at U.S.-Canada border


CTVNews.ca Staff
Published Friday, November 2, 2018 10:00PM EDT



Twenty-five handguns were seized at the Canadian border after a 50-year-old woman allegedly tried to enter from the U.S. with a stockpile of illegal weapons hidden in a gas tank, CTV Toronto has learned.

Sources tell CTV Toronto that an SUV was stopped at the Peace Bridge border crossing in Fort Erie, Ont., on Wednesday night. When police inspected the vehicle, they found the handguns hidden in the gas tank.

A female suspect from Toronto has been taken into custody. She faces several firearm-related charges, including importing firearms.


Bill Marr, owner of Garrison Automotive Service
Bill Marr, owner of Garrison Automotive Service, says he helped police find the 25 guns on Thursday, Nov. 1.

The border crossing is about 150 kilometres southeast of Toronto, where 45 people have died in shootings so far this year. That’s more than all fatal shootings in 2014 and 2015 combined.

Sources say the arrest was part of a larger Toronto police firearms investigation. But Toronto Police spokeswoman Meaghan Gray refused to elaborate.

“This is an ongoing investigation and we will not be able to provide any comment until it’s complete,” Gray told CTV Toronto in a statement.

Smuggling guns into Canada happens “every day” by a variety of means, according to crime specialist James Dubro.

“The demand in Canada with the supply in the United States makes it very, very tempting for people many times a day to try to get it over by car, by boat, by plane, by mail,” Dubro said.

Toronto police seized 726 crime guns in 2017. Of those, police were able to determine the country of origin for 328, or about half. American-made guns accounted for 180 of the illegal firearms. Another 148 came from within Canada.

Police seized a white Nissan Rogue and brought it to a garage in Fort Erie, Ont., on Thursday, where a local technician cut open the gas tank, according to Bill Marr, owner of Garrison Automotive Service.

“And when we pulled the top of the tank off you could see all the guns in the bottom of the gas tank,” Marr said.

Marr added that he didn’t know what might be inside the tank until he began to open it.

“We were just told contraband at first, they didn’t give us any disclosure until we started getting the tank down and cut the tank out and then we could see what was coming out of the gas tank,” he said.

Toronto has witnessed 342 shootings this year -- surpassing year-end numbers recorded in 2014, 2015 and 2017. At the current rate, the city is expected to surpass the 347 shootings recorded in 2016.

The female suspect is expected to make her first court appearance in Toronto next week.

With a report from CTV Toronto’s Tracy Tong


https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/25-handguns-hidden-in-gas-tank-seized-at-u-s-canada-border-1.4161604
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2018 9:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Notice -- no names of the perp, no fact-checkable details. They tell just enough to make sure we know the coppers have had a big win.

It has false information as well.

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The border crossing is about 150 kilometres southeast of Toronto, where 45 people have died in shootings so far this year. That’s more than all fatal shootings in 2014 and 2015 combined.


In 2014, there were 58 murders, 27 of them shot. In 2015, there were 59 and again, 27 shot dead. 27+27 = 54. Not that it matters much.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Notice -- no names of the perp, no fact-checkable details. They tell just enough to make sure we know the coppers have had a big win.

It has false information as well.

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The border crossing is about 150 kilometres southeast of Toronto, where 45 people have died in shootings so far this year. That’s more than all fatal shootings in 2014 and 2015 combined.


In 2014, there were 58 murders, 27 of them shot. In 2015, there were 59 and again, 27 shot dead. 27+27 = 54. Not that it matters much.



true but the bigger question is ? if people are trying to smuggle 25 hand guns in gas tanks on regular cars .

how many people like this have the police not caught ? sure they caught one but it would be highly unlikely this was the only attempt made to smuggle hand guns into Canada this year. how many people like this are making it across the border ?


it helps to explain why a hand gun ban on legal guns in Canada would likely not eliminate or decrease the amount of illegal guns here . as the criminals are just going to smuggle more across the border somehow . its a token gesture that would be unlikely to ever work

unless your goal is to simply eliminate the legal hand gun culture in Canada ( target shooting and collecting ) by taking those guns away but much more difficult to eliminate the criminal guns as they'll go to great lengths to get them somehow
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It looks as if these people were betrayed by someone who worked in the auto shop where the gas tank was altered. I don't believe they put your SUV on a hoist and rip out your gas tank without a pretty reliable reason to believe there's contraband in it. It isn't that bad -- yet.

So ... they say it's an everyday event.

In other words, this can be done to any vehicle at any time if you have somebody who can make the adaptions to the vehicle. There are vehicles with two gas tanks.

Probably the real controls on this market is that most Canadians don't want these guns. And, secondly, they are not easy to buy, certainly not in New York state. Detroit is a gun-free zone, legally. I don't know about Michigan, but it's full of hunters. But you have to be careful if you are putting loads of 25 handguns together.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

( Tory continues to tell a tale of half truths and lies when it comes to hand guns , its already been widely proven that there is no evidence to indicate 50 % of the illegal hand guns in Toronto come from legal domestic sources . the Toronto police have there own stats which clearly indicate they cannot determine the origins for the vast majority of guns they seize .

there is zero evidence to indicate 50% of the guns in Toronto come from legal sources . there is no evidence that a large % of legal gun owners are illegally selling guns on the black market . tory cannot provide any evidence to prove what he's claiming is supposedly happening

its also been widely reported that cities which already have hand gun bans like London UK still see huge amounts of crime , stabbings and even still shootings . a hand gun ban is not going to stop murders in a city the size of Toronto )



Tory reiterates calls for city-wide ban on handguns

Chris Fox, CP24.com
Published Friday, November 9, 2018 8:29AM EST
Last Updated Friday, November 9, 2018 10:49AM EST


Mayor John Tory is stepping up his advocacy for a city-wide ban on handguns as a deadline to submit feedback to the federal government on the idea looms.

Minister of Border Security and Organized Crime Reduction Bill Blair is looking into a possible ban on handguns and assault weapons in Canada on behalf of the Liberal government.

As part of those efforts a website was set up last month to solicit feedback from residents but the deadline for submissions through that site is tomorrow.


In a statement issued on Friday morning Tory encouraged residents to participate in the process, noting that he continues to believe that a handgun ban would reduce gun violence in cities.

"We know the vast majority of Toronto residents support a handgun ban. It is more important than ever for their voices to be heard as the federal government considers taking this important step that will save lives," he said. "We have seen an increase in gun violence across Canada, including right here in Toronto. We must do everything possible to limit access to guns – that includes cracking down on gun trafficking across the border from the U.S. and banning handguns here at home."

Tory began advocating for a handgun ban following a rash of deadly shootings in the city this past summer and in August he sent an open letter to Prime Minister Justin Trudeau requesting that he enact the legislation required for such a ban.

Speaking with reporters at an unrelated event on Friday morning, Tory said that while he “respects the fact” that there are law-abiding citizens who own handguns, something must be done to cut down on the availability of guns on the street.

“Part of the problem is that people can legally buy handguns; in fact they can buy 10 and what is happening is that people are buying 10 handguns perfectly legally, filling out the paperwork and then trafficking them to criminals,” he said. “If you ban the sale of handguns in Toronto then I think what you will do is at least make a contribution to those guns not falling into the wrong hands.”

Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer has previously spoken out against implementing a ban on handguns and has instead called for limiting parole and bail opportunities for gang members who are repeat offenders.

Tory told reporters on Friday that he believes there should be changes to bail laws as well but he said it shouldn’t be an “either or choice.”

“There is a real problem with the supply of handguns on the streets of Toronto,” he said. “Fifty per cent of those guns are coming from outside the country and 50 per cent are coming from inside the country and I think we have to do everything we can to deal with those ones that are Canadian-sourced and stop the flow of guns into the hand of criminals.”

Tory’s comments on Friday comes less than 24 hours after police Superintendent Ron Taverner held a press conference to lament a number of recent shootings in the northwestern corner of the city, noting that he was “pissed off” with the level of violence.

Taverner reiterated those remarks earlier on Friday morning, telling CP24 that there is a “disturbing trend where there are innocent people who have no contact with police being shot.”


https://www.cp24.com/news/tory-reiterates-calls-for-city-wide-ban-on-handguns-1.4170097
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 1:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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. there is no evidence that a large % of legal gun owners are illegally selling guns on the black market .

Tell Global News this please.

Oh and

National Post
CBC
Toronto Star
Huffington Post.

Quote:
...before 2012, about 75 per cent of the firearms were trafficked from the United States. By 2017, however, about half originated from domestic sources, putting an end to the idea that most of Canada’s illegal guns come from across the border, Det. Rob Di Danieli of the
guns and gangs unit said.

Legal Canadian gun owners are selling their weapons illegally, Di Danieli said, noting that police have seen more than 40 such cases in recent years.
https://globalnews.ca/news/4349235/canadian-gun-owners-selling-illegally/


Want more or is this enough ?

NB: not 50% as that was erroneous but the fact is this is a problem rising.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 1:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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RCO wrote:
. there is no evidence that a large % of legal gun owners are illegally selling guns on the black market .

Tell Global News this please.

Oh and

National Post
CBC
Toronto Star
Huffington Post.

Quote:
...before 2012, about 75 per cent of the firearms were trafficked from the United States. By 2017, however, about half originated from domestic sources, putting an end to the idea that most of Canada’s illegal guns come from across the border, Det. Rob Di Danieli of the
guns and gangs unit said.

Legal Canadian gun owners are selling their weapons illegally, Di Danieli said, noting that police have seen more than 40 such cases in recent years.
https://globalnews.ca/news/4349235/canadian-gun-owners-selling-illegally/


Want more or is this enough ?

NB: not 50% as that was erroneous but the fact is this is a problem rising.




true that John Tory is quoting this Toronto police officer , however it was revealed in another global news article that his comments are not accurate , the Toronto police forces's own stats clearly indicate they cannot determine the origins for the vast majority of guns seized


I'm not making this up its been reported many times and been posted to this thread already . there own stats say clearly they cannot determine the origins for most of these guns so how can he say for certain that 50 % come from domestic sources in Canada ?
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That's because all of them are promoting handgun control, just praying that the public doesn't get fed up with Moslems shooting Christians for fun and the erotic incentives that Mo says await.

There is a solution to this problem.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2018 8:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

( Johy Tory's claim of 50% of the guns in Toronto as being domestically sourced is a pure lie , there is no way around it . the Toronto police have released stats which clearly state for 2017 as an example that they seized 1700 guns but could only trace the origins for 330 . which would mean they cannot determine the origins for 80 % of the guns seized .

with those numbers how does he possibly claim 50% are coming from within Canada and so called legal owners . there is clearly no evidence to back up his claims which are clearly fake and entirely made up

the media loves to fact check trump and point out he's made false claims but is unwilling to do the same for Canadian politicians clearly making things up . tory and the anti gun lobby has clearly made up the 50% claim , there is no evidence to back it up )





There are broader issues here, as well. The vast majority of guns are never traced back to any particular origin. Take 2017, for instance. Of the more than 1,700 firearms seized by Toronto police that year, only 330 guns could be linked to either Canada or the United States. It’s been even more stark in other years, as the chart below shows




https://globalnews.ca/news/4428617/matt-gurney-toronto-gun-crime-statistics/
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