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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 6:44 am    Post subject: Trudeau to shuffle federal cabinet Reply with quote

( more coming on this story later today although sounds like trudeau is going to add even more cabinet positions and create a Toronto centric cabinet like Martin did in 2014 , when it seemed like every MP from Toronto had a position )



Trudeau cabinet shuffle: Expected promotions, demotions and new faces
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Published Tuesday, July 17, 2018 4:51PM EDT
Last Updated Tuesday, July 17, 2018 10:00PM EDT


Two Toronto-area MPs are among the favourites to join Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s cabinet during a strategic pre-election cabinet shuffle.

Rookie MP Mary Ng, a former staffer in Trudeau’s office who represents Markham-Thornhill, and Whitby MP Celina Caesar Chavannes are expected to be promoted Wednesday, CTV’s Glen McGregor reports.

Several current ministers are expected to change jobs, including Heritage Minister Melanie Joly, Fisheries Minister Dominic LeBlanc and Infrastructure Minister Ahmerjeet Sohi.


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Prime Minister Justin Trudeau makes an announcement of $90 million to improve the Trans-Canada Highway in northeastern Nova Scotia during a press conference in Sutherlands River, N.S. on Tuesday, July 17, 2018. THE CANADIAN PRESS/Darren Calabrese



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Liberal Candidate Mary Ng stands on the podium after winning the Markham-Thornhill federal byelection in Markham, Ontario, on Monday April 3, 2017. THE CANADIAN PRESS/Chris Young



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Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of International Development Celina Caesar-Chavannes rises during Question Period in the House of Commons on Parliament Hill in Ottawa on Friday, May 25, 2018. (THE CANADIAN PRESS/Justin Tang)



As for departures from cabinet, the focus is on Agriculture Minister Lawrence McAuley, who may not run for re-election in 2019, and Indigenous and Crown Relations Minister Carolyn Bennett, who is rumoured to be in line for a diplomatic post.

Trudeau is not expected to swap out ministers with the biggest portfolios. Finance Minister Bill Morneau and Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland – both of whom play a crucial role in NAFTA negotiations -- are both expected to keep their positions.

The cabinet shuffle may also include the creation of new ministries, including a ministry focused on seniors.

It’s expected to be the final cabinet shuffle before the 2019 federal election. Adding two new ministers from the Toronto area could be a sneak-peek at the Liberals’ campaign strategy, says pollster Nik Nanos

"If the Liberals cannot hold onto the GTA, the reality is they cannot hold on to government because they are going to have set backs in Atlantic Canada, the West and British Columbia," Nanos said.

Trudeau would not confirm any cabinet changes when asked about the shuffle Tuesday.

The announcement is expected Wednesday morning.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/trudeau-cabinet-shuffle-expected-promotions-demotions-and-new-faces-1.4017044
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 6:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trudeau poised to play it safe in looming cabinet shuffle

By L. Ian MacDonald. Published on Jul 17, 2018 3:26pm


"It’s an interesting point of comparison with Bernard Roy, who was Brian Mulroney’s principal secretary and his closest friend from Laval law school. The Mulroney government was going nowhere fast, until the PM brought Derek Burney in from Foreign Affairs to serve as chief of staff. That’s when the government’s stalled agenda started to move. Trudeau needs someone like that now."


Prime Minister Justin Trudeau. THE CANADIAN PRESS/Sean Kilpatrick

The federal cabinet realignment expected Wednesday looms as neither a mini-shuffle nor a major one, but more like a middling refreshing-the-status-quo one.

For starters, none of the major players on the Liberal front bench is expected to be moved from one senior portfolio or demoted to a junior one.

Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland is in charge of the critical NAFTA renegotiation. And Donald Trump’s week of crazy antics — from disparaging the Western alliance at the NATO summit, to playing patsy to Vladimir Putin — underlines the need for Freeland’s sense of both the NAFTA file and the larger conduct of foreign policy.

Public Security Minister Ralph Goodale won’t be going anywhere, either. The most experienced member of the government, Goodale’s steady hand is needed to manage the U.S. border and the flow of asylum seekers at irregular crossings.

Finance Minister Bill Morneau has kept his head down and scored no own-goals since last summer’s infamous small business tax screw-up, which infuriated farmers and professionals across the land. Environment Minister Catherine McKenna will have to manage relations with dissenting provinces on Ottawa’s carbon tax, with Ontario’s new Tory government opposing it, having already scrapped the province’s cap and trade regime.

Natural Resources Minister Jim Carr is reportedly mulling retiring from politics, but has an important role in moving the Trans Mountain pipeline past regulatory and ownership questions to reality. It’s a safe bet that the PMO will try to keep him on the file through the election. Jane Philpott has a critical front-line job overseeing services for Indigenous communities.

Carolyn Bennett was rumoured to be on the PMO chopping block last summer but dodged the bullet when the Indigenous Affairs portfolio was divided three ways. Still, with Eric Hoskins now aching for a seat in the Toronto area, Bennett could be a victim of the numbers game.

And so on, down the line of ministers who won’t be moving. By Tuesday, all the paper work and bios will have been printed, and anyone who hasn’t received a call would be a minister travelling on business or an MP back in the riding.

That said, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau does have room to promote members to the front bench, with a roster of 35 parliamentary secretaries as his farm team. The one problem is 25 of the PS’s are men, which limits the number of women available to maintain the PM’s policy of gender equality in the composition of cabinet.

Trudeau might also be looking to give a visibility boost to members from ridings that look competitive in 2019, beginning with the 905 Toronto suburban belt. Celina Caesar-Chavannes, PS to the minister of International Development, fits that description as the MP from Whitby.

Beyond the PS roster, there are other backbenchers who might get the call to cabinet. Freshman member Mary Ng is also a 905er from Markham-Thornhill, where she won a byelection last year. And as a former director of appointments in the PM’s office, she is not without friends in high places.

Then there are a couple of ministers who’ve been doing extra duty as stand-ins. Science Minister Kirsty Duncan has been acting as minister of Sport and Persons with Disabilities since Kent Hehr was dumped from cabinet for inappropriately chatting up women in elevators. And Small Business and Tourism Minister Bardish Chagger has also been serving as government House Leader since Dominic Leblanc was moved out last year.

The assumption in Ottawa has been that Chagger would relinquish the small business portfolio, but as recently as Monday evening she tweeted that SMEs create jobs in our communities.” Particularly in her own community of Waterloo, hub of the high-tech Toronto-Waterloo corridor. As house leader, on the other hand, she hasn’t made a lot of friends across the aisle, and that might be a better move out for both her and the government.

There’s an obvious fit there in Andrew Leslie, PS to the foreign minister, who previously served as government whip and is well liked on all sides of the House. His riding of Orléans is a must-hold for the Liberals. And it happens that Ottawa is under-represented in cabinet, with McKenna the lone member from the nine ridings in the capital.

If Trudeau wanted to make a larger statement out of the NATO meeting, he might have considered making Leslie defence minister, moving Harjit Sajjan to another role, one where he could spend more time in Vancouver and shoring up the Liberal case against pipeline activists on the Lower Mainland. A retired three-star general, Leslie commanded Canadian troops in Afghanistan, served as chief of land staff and finally as chief of transformation, a role in which he submitted a visionary position paper.

In whatever role, there should be a seat at the cabinet table for Andy Leslie—he has certainly earned it.

Should Trudeau want to make more room at the table, he may have considered giving up his own secondary portfolio as minister of Intergovernmental Affairs and Youth. Except that there may be no more important time for the PM to carry the intergovernmental affairs role than the next year, from climate change, to pipelines, to simply managing the federation.

Beyond the cabinet shuffle, there are two things Trudeau should be considering, a shakeup of PMO over the summer and a new Speech from the Throne in the fall.

After three years in office, any PMO team tends to be tired and this one is no exception. Principal Secretary Gerald Butts and Chief of Staff Katie Telford are the ones who came with Trudeau and the ones he dances with. Butts also happens to be among Trudeau’s closest school friends from McGill.

It’s an interesting point of comparison with Bernard Roy, who was Brian Mulroney’s principal secretary and his closest friend from Laval law school. The Mulroney government was going nowhere fast, until the PM brought Derek Burney in from Foreign Affairs to serve as chief of staff. That’s when the government’s stalled agenda started to move. Trudeau needs someone like that now.

Trudeau’s “deliverology” crowd has also been over consulting and under delivering, one of the reasons why the Liberals needed a win on their cannabis legislation going into the summer. There’s also a string of broken promises, from electoral reform to deficits in the fiscal framework, far beyond their 2015 campaign promise of $10 billion deficits for four years before returning to balance by the end of their mandate.

The obvious means for the Liberals to freshen policy going into the October 2019 election would be a throne speech this fall. This would mean ending the current session which, nearing three years, is becoming one of the longest of the modern era. (The longest was under the last Pierre Trudeau government, lasting from April 1980 to November 1983.)

Normally with prorogation, all government bills die on the order paper. But since a 1994 rule change, as the Parliamentary website reminds us, bills “can be reinstated at the start of the new session at the same stage they had reached at the end of the previous session.” All it takes is adoption of a motion “upon notice and debate.”

The Liberals, with their majority, have the votes to make that happen. What they don’t seem to have at this point is a throne speech in the works.

They could sure use one.

https://ipolitics.ca/2018/07/17/trudeau-poised-to-play-it-safe-in-looming-cabinet-shuffle/
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 6:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trudeau poised to shuffle, retool cabinet with focus on Liberals’ team for 2019

By Canadian Press. Published on Jul 18, 2018 4:00am


Prime Minister Justin Trudeau makes his way to Caucus on Parliament Hill in Ottawa on Wednesday, June 20, 2018. iPolitics/Matthew Usherwood


OTTAWA — Justin Trudeau will shuffle his front benches today to install the roster of ministers that will be entrusted with leading the Liberal team into next year’s election.

Sources say the changes will expand the prime minister’s cabinet by adding new posts to showcase up-and-coming MPs and to broaden the profile of a party that has long pinned its fortunes to the Trudeau brand.

The shuffle appears designed to ensure deft communicators are well-placed to spell out the government’s positions and defend policies on hot political issues leading up to the 2019 election campaign.

Insiders have indicated there’s a possibility Ottawa will appoint a minister dedicated to seniors, a post that once existed in past federal cabinets.

The mid-summer shakeup will give ministers a couple of months to get up to speed on their new portfolios before they return to Parliament this fall, and the Liberals will hope they can master their responsibilities ahead of the election.

Nearly three years into its four-year mandate, the Liberal government has few remaining opportunities to rejig its cabinet lineup.


https://ipolitics.ca/2018/07/18/trudeau-poised-to-shuffle-retool-cabinet-with-focus-on-liberals-team-for-2019/
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 9:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This should be rich.

Here is the new rule. First, half the cabinet have to be the 'good people'. You can tell them because they sit down to pee. The trouble is there's a shortage of supply of these good people. There's only 35 more to chose from.

Because in the world of Social Justice, 15/50 = 15/135.

(For those who find math hard, the women in the Liberal caucus that are not in the cabinet already have one chance in three of being in cabinet. For men, it's one chance in nine!) It's fair because there are two sexes ... and it's 2018.

(Seriously, that's how Social Justice Warriors think! Ask TC -- he's a low-energy version of one of them.)

Whereas, on the bad people side -- those who stand to pee -- there are 120 untried candidates, many of them more capable than the worst women already in cabinet.

This is not to say that there aren't worthy women cabinet ministers. But is this a strong cabinet, historically? Is it as strong as Haroer's? They don't have that many effective people -- they are offering on-the-job training more than re-tooling their cabinet to prepare for the David vrs Goliath struggle ahead.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 11:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Complete list of Justin Trudeau's updated cabinet
( despite rumours of some long time liberals leaving no one left the cabinet , what instead appears to have taken place as the cabinet grew and 5 new positions were added , including trudeau there is now 35 cabinet ministers , which must make it one of the biggest cabinets ever )


New faces, new portfolios going into 2019 election


CBC News · Posted: Jul 18, 2018 10:43 AM ET | Last Updated: an hour ago



Francois-Philippe Champagne, Pablo Rodriguez, Bill Blair, Filomena Tassi, Jonathan Wilkinson and Mary Ng attend a swearing in ceremony at Rideau Hall in Ottawa on Wednesday, July 18, 2018. (Justin Tang/Canadian Press)


Prime Minister Justin Trudeau substantively shook up his cabinet Wednesday morning.

The Prime Minister's Office added five new seats at the cabinet table and played a round of musical chairs with other departments.

•LiveTrudeau adds 5 new ministers in cabinet shakeup that puts focus on seniors, border security

Here is a complete list of who is doing what ahead of the 2019 election.

New additions to the cabinet table have been bolded, ministers who have changed portfolios are marked with an asterisk* and ministers who are staying in their role but whose titles or responsibilities have changed are italicized.
•Justin Trudeau - Prime Minister and Minister of Youth.
•*Dominic LeBlanc - Minister of Intergovernmental and Northern Affairs and Internal Trade. LeBlanc will also become President of the Queen's Privy Council for Canada.
•*James Carr - Minister of International Trade Diversification.
•*Mélanie Joly- Minister of Tourism, Official Languages and La Francophonie.
•*Amarjeet Sohi - Minister of Natural Resources.
•*Carla Qualtrough - Minister of Public Services and Procurement and Accessibility (adds Accessibility).
•*François-Philippe Champagne - Minister of Infrastructure and Communities.
•Pablo Rodriguez - Minister of Canadian Heritage and Multiculturalism.
•Bill Blair - ​Minister of Border Security and Organized Crime Reduction.
•Mary Ng - Minister of Small Business and Export Promotion.
•Filomena Tassi - Minister of Seniors.
•Jonathan Wilkinson - Minister of Fisheries, Oceans and the Canadian Coast Guard.
•Carolyn Bennett - Minister of Crown-Indigenous Relations.
•Scott Brison - President of the Treasury Board and Minister of Digital Government.
•Marie-Claude Bibeau - Minister of International Development.
•Kirsty Duncan - Minister of Science and Sport.
•Bardish Chagger - Leader of the Government in the House of Commons.
•Navdeep Bains - Minister of Innovation, Science and Economic Developmet.
•Jean-Yves Duclos - Minister of Families, Children and Social Development.
•Chrystia Freeland - Minister of Foreign Affairs.
•Marc Garneau - Minister of Transport.
•Ralph Goodale - Minister of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness.
•Karina Gould - Minister of Democratic Institutions.
•Patty Hajdu - Minister of Employment, Workforce Development and Labour.
•Ahmed Hussen- Minister of Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship.
•Diane Lebouthillier - Minister of National Revenue.
•Lawrence MacAulay - Minister of Agriculture and Agri-Food.
•Catherine McKenna - Minister of Environment and Climate Change.
•Maryam Monsef - Minister of Status of Women.
•Bill Morneau - Minister of Finance.
•Seamus O'Regan- Minister of Veterans Affairs.
•Ginette Petitpas-Taylor - Minister of Health.
•Jane Philpott - Minister of Indigenous Services.
•Harjit Sajjan - Minister of National Defence.
•Jody Wilson-Raybould - Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada.


https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/cabinet-shuffle-list-1.4751452
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 11:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trudeau cabinet shuffle brings new faces, several changes for run-up to 2019 campaign



Toronto-area MPs Mary Ng and Bill Blair and B.C.'s Jonathan Wilkinson among those added in shakeup



Kathleen Harris · CBC News · Posted: Jul 18, 2018 4:00 AM ET | Last Updated: 15 minutes ago


Opposition MP Lisa Raitt, the deputy leader of the Conservatives, responds to the changes in Justin Trudeau's cabinet. 0:00


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Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has made significant changes to his cabinet, bringing five new ministers to the table and creating new portfolios for seniors, intergovernmental affairs and border security.

The retooled cabinet signals the government intends to ease trade dependence on the U.S. and bolster political forces in key regions in the run-up to next year's federal election.

In one surprise move, Bill Blair, a former Toronto police chief who has been the government's point man on the marijuana legalization file, was appointed minister of border security and organized crime reduction. He will also be in charge of managing the hot-button issue of irregular migration with asylum seekers crossing into Canada from the U.S.

Other new ministers added to the cabinet today:
•Mary Ng, a former staffer in Trudeau's office who was recently elected in a Markham-Thornhill byelection, becomes minister for small business and export promotion.
•Filomena Tassi, a Hamilton MP, becomes minister for seniors.
•Vancouver MP Jonathan Wilkinson becomes minister of fisheries, oceans and the Canadian Coast Guard.
•Pablo Rodriguez, who was serving as chief government whip, becomes minister of heritage and multiculturalism.

Ministers with new or changed duties:
•Dominic LeBlanc moves from Fisheries and Oceans to Intergovernmental Affairs, Northern Affairs and Internal Trade.
•Amarjeet Sohi moves from Infrastructure to Natural Resources.
•Carla Qualtrough, remains minister of public services and procurement and gets the added portfolio of Accessibility.
•Jim Carr moves from Natural Resources to International Trade Diversification.
•Mélanie Joly goes from Heritage to minister of tourism, official languages and la francophonie.
•François-Philippe Champagne moves from International Trade to Infrastructure and Communities.

In a news conference after the swearing-in ceremony at Rideau Hall, Trudeau said the focus on innovation and trade is a response, in part, to the constantly changing international context.

"There is certainly a level of clarity for Canadians, for businesses, for everyone across this country that we need to diversify our markets. We need to ensure that we are not as dependent on the United States," he said.

LeBlanc's new portfolio could see a fair bit of action with a new premier in Ontario, elections on the horizon in New Brunswick, Quebec and Alberta, and with simmering disputes over pipelines, carbon taxes and interprovincial trade.

With several issues of potential tension with new Ontario Premier Doug Ford, LeBlanc said the federal and provincial governments share a common interest in strengthening the economy and creating more jobs.

"There'll be a lot more, I think, that we have in common than we may disagree on, and my job will be to work with all of these leaders in a way that advances the interests of Canadians," he said.

The cabinet shakeup boosts the number of ministers from Ontario and Quebec, where the Liberals need to win more seats in the next election to offset potential losses elsewhere.

Carr's appointment signals the government's intention to further diversify trade away from the U.S.

Blair's new portfolio comes after a heated exchange between Immigration Minister Ahmed Hussen and Ontario's new provincial minister in charge of the file, Lisa MacLeod.

Today, MacLeod welcomed Blair to the post in a tweet, offering her congratulations and asking to meet soon.


Blair's promotion and new file could be designed to reassure the Americans, and the PMO said his chief role will be to strengthen the border.

In a news conference, Trudeau said the new portfolio will also help reassure Quebecers and all Canadians that the rules around the border will be followed "to the letter."

"We remain focused on effectively managing the arrival of irregular migrants, assessing asylum seekers, making our system more efficient and preventing the flow of illegal drugs and firearms into our communities," the PMO said in a release.

The timing of today's shuffle gives Trudeau an opportunity to put his best players on the pitch before the campaign, said David Moscrop, a political scientist at Simon Fraser University. With no significant scandals or major blunders raging, it makes sense for the prime minister to keep key ministers in place while lightly demoting underperformers and promoting up-and-comers.

•AnalysisDoug Ford tilts the table away from Trudeau's agenda

By expanding the cabinet, Trudeau's selection of new ministers could help give credibility and prominence to key issues and MPs in critical regions ahead of the October 2019 race, he said.

"Strategically speaking, as a government ahead of an election, I can't see any downside unless somebody screws up. I suppose there's always a risk that someone's going to disgrace themselves," he said.


Before today's shuffle there were 30 members of cabinet, including Trudeau, evenly split by gender. The new cabinet has 35 members including Trudeau, with 17 women and 18 men.


Trudeau did not shuffle any of his top ministers in key files, including Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland, Finance Minister Bill Morneau and Public Safety Minister Ralph Goodale.

Timed with election

University of Toronto political scientist Nelson Wiseman said the shuffle is timed to gear up for next year's campaign.

"It's not uncommon for governments to do this at this point, because if they start shuffling too close to an election day, the closer it gets, the more they get exposed to the charge they're admitting things aren't going well," he said. "You're really now desperate, you're splashing the paint around too loosely."


It has become common practice for an incoming government to shrink the size of cabinet to project an image of saving money and controlling bureaucracy, Wiseman said, then to expand it closer to an election for political advantage.

Trudeau's first major cabinet shakeup was on Jan. 10, 2017, when he appointed Freeland to Foreign Affairs as part of a strategy to bolster the front-line ministers who deal with the Trump administration. As part of that overhaul, veteran ministers John McCallum and Stéphane Dion were left out of the circle and instead offered diplomatic posts.


https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-cabinet-shuffle-2018-1.4749976
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So-oo ... what just happened? Bill Blair as Border Kop ... yeah, except aren't we running an open border, with such conveniences a reception tent at major illegal entry points? Blair is perfect at looking and acting like he's a wrestler promoting his own match. He'll be a good "face" to put on TV, pretending to be really 'defending' the border.

We have a new Minister of Seniors ... LeBlanc gets the Ministry of Patronage ... and Privvy Council ... is that an improvement? And Carla Qualtrough, the present minister of public services and procurement expands her empire with a chunk of bureaucracy called "Accessibility". God knows why!

The 'infrastructure guy' went to Natural Resources, and 'the Natural Resources guy went to 'International Trade Diversification' which meant that the guy in International Trade had to be found a job. So he got "infrastructure'. So it's all about getting some more international trade out of Jim Carr ... good luck with that!

So ... other than appearances, how is this news?
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Just so that I follow;

You have François-Philippe Champagne who is arguably amongst the most qualified member of the Liberal cabinet on the International Trade Portfolio, shuffled out of said Trade Portfolio to be replaced with a career politician in Jim Carr in the midst of one of the most important Trade Negotiations in the nations History?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 3:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So-oo ... what just happened? Bill Blair as Border Kop ... yeah, except aren't we running an open border, with such conveniences a reception tent at major illegal entry points? Blair is perfect at looking and acting like he's a wrestler promoting his own match. He'll be a good "face" to put on TV, pretending to be really 'defending' the border.

We have a new Minister of Seniors ... LeBlanc gets the Ministry of Patronage ... and Privvy Council ... is that an improvement? And Carla Qualtrough, the present minister of public services and procurement expands her empire with a chunk of bureaucracy called "Accessibility". God knows why!

The 'infrastructure guy' went to Natural Resources, and 'the Natural Resources guy went to 'International Trade Diversification' which meant that the guy in International Trade had to be found a job. So he got "infrastructure'. So it's all about getting some more international trade out of Jim Carr ... good luck with that!

So ... other than appearances, how is this news?




the purpose of this shuffle appears to be rewarding as many liberal mp's with fancy positions as possible , why would the government suddenly need 5 new cabinet ministers ? positions that have never existed before ? it all has the smell and feel of a pork barrelling exercise


the liberal cabinet at 35 members is also nearing the size of the entire ndp caucus which currently has around 41 members if you take away the 2 who plan to leave ( mulcair and stewart )

I'm not sure of the size of past cabinets but it has to be nearing record size if not the biggest we've seen
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I'm not sure of the size of past cabinets but it has to be nearing record size if not the biggest we've seen

Nearing is correct.

PM Harper had the biggest. 40 of 'em. Ya know, the guy that always preached cuts to govt.

It ties Mulroney's cabinet size .


Sad but true.
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the purpose of this shuffle appears to be rewarding as many liberal mp's with fancy positions as possible , why would the government suddenly need 5 new cabinet ministers ? positions that have never existed before ? it all has the smell and feel of a pork barrelling exercise


They all do it ... cabinets start out about 30, commonly, and grow bigger as time goes on and new elections offer new promising talent needing experience.

It's because of the nature of our party system. It works on patronage -- bribery of sorts. The MPs have all pre-sold their vote to the party, so they really have nothing to do, policy-wise. So they are, in fact, kept in line by an allocation of perks ... including all-expense-paid trips to exotic places, including state dinners ... but maybe just tickets to the ballet.

Harper was no exception but he won three elections and lasted 9 years. The present gang of thieves has only been in power a little less than three years.

Justin needs more help that most PMs, there's that, and he has the problem of keeping the genders equal because ... well, its 2018 ... he's already skimmed off the top third of his female representation, so he might be scraping the bottom of the barrel there ... but he's only taken the top 11% of the male contingent and it;s a way bigger pool.

He probably had to add seven because the ones that showed talent are male, and had to match each new guy with a female dud to keep the cabinet 'balanced'.

So Justin's on a record-breaking track. He's accelerating faster than anybody! But what do you expecct from a guy who needs two nannies?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 6:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm not sure of the size of past cabinets but it has to be nearing record size if not the biggest we've seen

Nearing is correct.

PM Harper had the biggest. 40 of 'em. Ya know, the guy that always preached cuts to govt.

It ties Mulroney's cabinet size .


Sad but true.



the well Harper did it , is such a pitiful excuse , trudeau had claimed back in 2015 he was going to be different , doing what all the other PM's did is not change in my view , nothing about this government has ever represented real change from day 1


its been the same old story we see in Ottawa all the time , this cabinet shuffle is just another example of old style politics running the show , nothing this government has ever done so far has represented any meaning change
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the well Harper did it , is such a pitiful excuse ,

Woah woah woah...dont get your panties in a bunch now.

Whos using it as an excuse?

Lets recap shall we?
You said " I'm not sure of the size of past cabinets but it has to be nearing record size if not the biggest we've seen"...which really is your way of showing shock of <gosh golly> JT has grown the Cabinet to epic proportions.

I merely posted you were almost right. but still wrong. Its a fact Harper had the biggest. And Harper ran on small govt and spend less money. We both agree that wasnt done. (it never is)

I dont like JT growing Cabinet, although bugs is right in the experience dept he mentioned.

Why so touchy !

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... , nothing this government has ever done so far has represented any meaning change

So...like the one before him then ?

I agree.
But then. I make attempts to be non partisan. How about you?
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ahem ... Brian Mulroney also had a cabinet of 40 at one time. He also had a nine year term. Harper matched that.

It is amongst my dearest hopes that the land will be spared a second helping of the "leadership" of the dim Justin Trudeau. But if we suffer that misfortune, count on the cabinet to reach a previously unheard of size.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 7:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bugs wrote:
ahem ... Brian Mulroney also had a cabinet of 40 at one time. He also had a nine year term. Harper matched that.

It is amongst my dearest hopes that the land will be spared a second helping of the "leadership" of the dim Justin Trudeau. But if we suffer that misfortune, count on the cabinet to reach a previously unheard of size.




trudeau's cabinet will surely grow over time if he's given the chance , much like wynne . her final cabinet has close to 30 members even though the liberals only had 56 mpp's , meaning nearly half the caucus was in cabinet and did ontarian's really feel they got a better government cause she had a bigger cabinet ?

I really doubt anyone actually felt they were being served better


this shuffle is clearly old style Ottawa politics at its purest and shows that nothing about trudeau's government represents anything close to bringing change to Ottawa , is this actually anyone's idea of change in Ottawa ?

if this is trudeau's idea of change it shows how truly out of touch with the average joe he is


or at this point the liberals just don't care , they feel that since they have a majority , its time for them to enjoy the "pork " as they say , there entitled to these positions and financial benefits that come from them
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