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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 2:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bugs wrote:

What makes you the censor around here?

Im not.
Never indicated one way or another that I am.
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What is the 'truth' that we're ignoring?

Ignoring the truth is not the same as spouting bs.

What is in the ads has been shown to be uttered by Ford. While they may be shitty ads, and I think so, they are for the most part verifiable, contrary to rco's assertions.
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You act like you wear a striped shirt and have a whistle hanging around your neck.
With the amount of bs spewed, maybe I should?
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If we are ignoring the positive assets that the Liberals have in this campaign, you should point it out.

They are so limited as to be not worthy of the effort.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 2:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its a nice narrative the Star is trying to paint;
However as one of the soon to be Ford voters that the Star is trying to shame;

I would offer a counter claim;

Its not that I don't care about Ford being an asshole;
Its that being an asshole isn't a factor into my consideration when I vote.

To ask me to discount the simply mind-boggling blunders of the current government and to be "okay" with record spending and debt on the back of record revenue because Doug Ford is an asshole is ridiculous.

If Kathleen Wynne and the Liberals want some advice?
Maybe the Trudeau approach in 2015 of running deficits wasn't a reflection of the fact that Canadians had lost their minds and were now in favor reckless Government spending, perhaps it was simply a reflection on an unpopular Prime Minister?

Maybe voters are actually in favor of balanced budgets? or at least the appearance that a Government is striving for it.

They doubled down on the idea that deficits were not a consideration with the 2018 budget and their polling numbers seemingly decreased, perhaps that is where they should be looking rather than just assuming that Doug Ford voters are some sort of cult as the Star is implying.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 3:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

But Ford fans don't care ... I hope TC goes after Hesketh like does RCO ... because his column sounds a lot like what was going on here.

It isn't that Ford supporters don't care. It's that they no longer trust Krooked Kathleen ... this is what this conversation looks past. It's about trust and a history of previous lies. People aren't listening. She's saying what they expect her to say.

All their other budget predictions have turned out to be self-serving falsities. Why would this one be any different?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 7:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

( ford has admitted they will be unable to balance the budget in the first year and will release a full costed plan )


Doug Ford promises inquiry into Liberal government’s accounting, commits to budget cut of four per cent


PC leader says he will find “efficiencies” in the budget amounting to at least $6 billion less in annual spending, and said he would be unable to balance the books in the first year.


Ontario’s Progressive Conservative leader is responding to an auditor-general report which found that the Liberal government understated the deficit by billions. Doug Ford is promising an inquiry and full audit if elected in June. (The Canadian Press)


By Robert BenzieQueen's Park Bureau Chief

Thu., April 26, 2018


Progressive Conservative Leader Doug Ford says he will launch an “independent commission of inquiry” into Ontario’s books in the wake of a damning auditor general’s report into the Liberal government.

Ford said Thursday that budget watchdog Bonnie Lysyk’s finding that the deficit is at $11.7 billion, not $6.7 billion, has exposed “a betrayal of the public trust.”

Premier Kathleen Wynne, however, countered that the larger shortfall calculated by Lysyk stems from “a dispute that’s been going on between professional accountants for a couple of years now.

“We appreciate her perspective and I think that that disagreement, that dispute, between the accountants will go on for some time,” said the premier.

There are two key points of contention between the government and Lysyk.


The auditor is concerned about the way the Liberals have structured the Fair Hydro Plan that borrows money to reduce electricity rates by 25 per cent, but is kept off the books because it is bankrolled through government-owned OPG Trust.


Ontario PC Leader Doug Ford: with Ontarians voting in a provincial election six weeks from now, Kathleen Wynne’s Liberals have warned that Ford’s budget cuts will mean job losses.


She also disputes whether $11 billion in government co-sponsored Ontario Public Service Employees’ Union Pension Plan and Ontario Teachers’ Pension Plan holdings should be counted as assets.

While Ford promised his own hydro scheme to replace the Liberals’ rate cut, he pointedly would not rule out a future PC government booking the pension billions against the bottom line.


“The auditor general performed a valuable public service and uncovered one of the largest financial scandals in Canadian history,” he told reporters at the Hilton Hotel on Richmond St. W.

“We now know that, in their desperation, Kathleen Wynne and the Liberals cooked the books,”

“The consequence of Kathleen Wynne’s desperation is now clear: we cannot trust anything about Liberal estimates or projections, and their budget is no longer worth the paper it was printed on,” the PC leader said.

“I know that people are angry and want answers. We’re going to get those answers,” he said, adding outside auditors would be hired to complement Lysyk’s work on a publicly funded commission of inquiry.

That commission would be expected to report back quickly and could lead to accounting changes at the province.

In her pre-election report to the Legislature, the auditor general estimated the deficit for next year at $12.2 billion, not the $6.6 billion Finance Minister Charles Sousa forecast. In 2020-21, she said it would be $12.5 billion, not $6.5 billion.

Ford said the Tories would soon release a “costed plan” for the June 7 election.

While he vowed to find four per cent in “efficiencies,” which would necessitate slashing spending by at least $6 billion a year, he admitted he would be unable to balance the budget right away.

“It won’t be in the first year. We’re going to do this in a modest and responsible fashion,” the Tory chief said.

“I don’t believe in the word ‘cuts.’ I’ve never said the word ‘cuts,’ but we’re going to find four per cent (in) efficiencies throughout the system,” he said.

“I can promise you one thing — and you can take this to the bank — we will be balancing the books.”

With Ontarians voting in a provincial election six weeks from now, Wynne’s Liberals have warned Ford’s budget cuts will mean job losses.

That’s because about 85 per cent of public spending is on salaries for doctors, bureaucrats, nurses, police officers, teachers, fire fighters and other civil servants.


https://www.thestar.com/news/queenspark/2018/04/26/ford-promises-inquiry-into-liberal-governments-books-and-commits-to-4-per-cent-budget-cut.html
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 9:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

( ford is now saying he'd cancel all Ontario government contracts with David Herle who is the liberal campaign chair , it does look fishy when the liberal campaign chair is rewarded with millions in contracts for which there appears to have been no other bidders allowed )


Liberal Campaign Chair Becomes Latest to Join Kathleen Wynne’s Million Dollar Friends’ Club

Published on April 27, 2018

Kathleen Wynne’s top campaign advisor, David Herle joins executives at Hydro One in an elite club of millionaires created by the Ontario Liberal government and courtesy of hard-working taxpayers.


Records show that last year alone, Liberal Party Co-chair, David Herle became the $3-Million Dollar Man through his company Gandalf Group, thanks to his Liberal connections and sole-sourced government contracts.

In 41 days, Doug Ford will cancel these lucrative contracts and put an end to the party with taxpayers’ money.


Unfortunately, the public doesn’t know how many millions Kathleen Wynne has handed her campaign manager this year because the government won’t release its annual Public Accounts disclosure.


Kathleen Wynne needs to come clean with the public and tell the voters just how much her $3 million-dollar is really worth, and she needs to do so before June 7.



Total Government Contracts Received by Gandalf Group:



Total:

$3,236,064.02


2016-17

Cabinet Office:

GANDALF GROUP INC. -- $72,659.00


Ministry of Finance:

GANDALF GROUP INC. -- $211,988.00


Treasury Board:

GANDALF GROUP INC. -- $839,364.00


Office of the Assembly, Caucus Support:

THE GANDALF GROUP -- $176,320.00



2015-16

Ministry of Finance:

THE GANDALF GROUP – $233,955.20


Treasury Board:

THE GANDALF GROUP -- $284,888.82


Office of the Assembly, Caucus Support:

THE GANDALF GROUP -- $314,360.00



2014-15

Office of the Assembly, Caucus Support:

THE GANDALF GROUP -- $323,447


2013-14

Office of the Assembly, Caucus Support:

THE GANDALF GROUP -- $779,082


https://www.ontariopc.ca/liberal_campaign_chair_becomes_latest_to_join_kathleen_wynne_s_million_dollar_friends_club
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its a step in the right direction; but only 6b in efficiencies?
It seems like an under promise and over deliver situation.

The 2018-19 budget has 158.5 billion in spending on the back of 152.5 in revenue;
Which is far higher in both regards than we assumed before the budget was tabled;

http://budget.ontario.ca/2018/.....html#c3-11

Where as a year prior we are talking about 141 and 141.7b

https://www.fin.gov.on.ca/en/budget/ontariobudgets/2017/ch6b.html#t6-1

Revenue increased nearly 11 billion dollars year over year;
But spending increased around 17 billion dollars.

That is far more than our 7.7 billion dollar estimate from prior to the budget being tabled.

Now we are in a situation where you go back just one year and spend the same as you did last year and you found yourself 17b dollars and if you want the books balanced you have found yourself 11 billion dollars from just not spending more than 2017-18.

Fixing Ontario's finances aren't going to be a challenge;
Paying down as much of the debt as possible while interest is low will be.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A good, but long article by Kelly McPartland, in the same theme. He starts off praising the Auditor-General, Bonnie Lysyk. It's nice to see a really worthy public servant act so aggressively to get the truth about the budget to the people. Good for her! This picks up after that.

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... Ontarians were already showing signs of alarm at the flood of borrowed money flowing through the Liberals’ hands. To be told they didn’t know the half of it can’t help but come as one more unwelcome surprise. Their consternation can only be increased by the fact an independent watchdog would feel worried enough to openly accuse the province’s elected leadership of such blatantly dishonest shenanigans.

Not only did the Liberals cook the books, Lysyk reported, they did their best to hide it from her. “The government knew we would have an issue with this accounting,” she reported. “And there was intent to keep us out of the picture.” [....]

... The hanky panky Lysyk uncovered flows from the Liberals’ need to disguise the degree to which they’ve become dependent on borrowed money to finance extravagant election pledges. [Emphasis added.] And that reliance on debt results from 15 years of spending that has left the province $312 billion in debt, with $1 billion a month going to interest payments alone.

Now all three parties — not to mention the taxpayers of Ontario — are stuck with the result, and some heavy recalculations may be in order to deal with the fact. Wynne’s Liberals faced a tough enough task convincing Ontarians it was worth an additional $6 billion yearly shortfall to finance the daycare and pharmacare programs they promised in their latest budget; but if the real gap is $12 billion, with no end in sight, the convincing becomes that much more difficult.

Doug Ford, the Progressive Conservative leader, adopted an appropriately sober air as he assessed the situation. It may be, he suggested, that a Tory government wouldn’t be able to balance the budget as quickly as he had figured. He would, however, make sure voters knew who to blame: “We will initiate a full, independent, end-to-end commission of inquiry … to investigate and recommend options for how to restore integrity in the government of Ontario’s financial reporting,” he announced. Lysyk’s findings, he said, amounted to “one of the largest financial scandals in Canadian history.”

“What we are witnessing is a betrayal of the public trust,” he said. “We cannot trust anything about the Liberal estimates or projections. Their budget is no longer worth the paper it’s written on.”

... While Ford can be forgiven for taking advantage of the opportunity to flagellate the Liberals, it underlines just how precarious a situation the next government will find itself in. There can be no pretending Ontario can any longer afford the sort of spending practices it has become accustomed to. Whoever becomes premier will be forced, at some stage, to close down the cash dispenser until a semblance of order can be restored.

That won’t go over well with an array of Ontario interest groups: the doctors who have been without a contract for four years and are keening for a Liberal defeat; the teachers’ unions that have benefited from regular Liberal handouts in return for re-election support; the police and firefighter unions that skillfully exploit flabby negotiating rules for ever-bigger settlements. They’ll all want more, from a government that won’t be in a position to give it — at least, not if it wants to act responsibly.

It’s a poisoned chalice the next government will inherit. The Liberals did the poisoning. Ford and NDP Leader Andrea Horwath may want to reconsider their eagerness to drink from it.
http://nationalpost.com/opinio.....rough-ride


This is the best assessment of the tragedy of the McGuinty-Wynne government that I have seen. Trust me, the whole situation can change in a nanosecond if interest rates on the provincial debt get out of control. Each percentage point that the interest rates increase will take $3,120,000,000 a year out of current revenues. Think it as less money for healthcare.

Ontario already has a shadow -- a 'negative' -- on Ontario's credit in international markets. We are closer than we think, both from the growing scepticism about the province's ability to pay, as well as the general market trend towards higher rates.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 6:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Premier Kathleen Wynne's seven town halls cost $209K: Source


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Published:
April 29, 2018


Updated:
April 29, 2018 4:48 PM EDT


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The cost of Premier Kathleen Wynne’s seven town halls across Ontario totalled $209,000, a source told the Toronto Sun.

Andrea Ernesaks, a spokesman for Wynne, confirmed the accuracy of the number when asked about it Sunday.

“The premier held seven different town halls in all corners of the province to hear directly from voters about their concerns, anxieties and hopes for the future,” Ernesaks said in an e-mail. “There is, of course, a cost associated with conducting these town halls, a venue needs to be rented, a livestream set up and there are, of course, security considerations that need to be met.

“Regardless, we believe it’s important that elected officials, including the premier, be held accountable to the constituents they serve,” she said.

The town halls were not easy for the Wynne as the premier was grilled repeatedly on unemployment, school safety and other difficult issues.

The seventh and last town hall was held in early March, just before Doug Ford was picked as leader of Ontario Progressive Conservatives.

MPPs of all stripes have held town halls to discuss matters of interest to their local communities such as the partial privatization of Hydro One and health care.

Still, Ford has been highly critical of more recent events that Wynne has held to promote her budget, accusing her of campaigning on the taxpayer’s dime.

The Tories have asked Elections Ontario to investigate the matter.

http://torontosun.com/news/pro.....come-cheap
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 7:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

( not a surprise mainstreet has the pc's down slightly as there last poll had them at 50% which was much higher than the other polls had the pc's but 44 % is a high number for the pc's and a big lead over the liberals )


Liberals, NDP gain ground, but PCs maintain strong lead: poll


The Mainstreet Research poll says Doug Ford’s party has the support of 44.9 per cent of decided voters — that’s more than 16 per cent ahead of Kathleen Wynne’s Liberals, who are in second place with 28.2 per cent. The NDP is in third place with 21.3 per cent followed by the Green part at four per cent.
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Ontario Liberal Leader Kathleen Wynne, Ontario PC Leader Doug Ford and Ontario NDP Leader Andrea Horwath. THE CANADIAN PRESS


The Ontario election is less than six weeks away, and a new poll suggests the Liberals and NDP have gained some ground among voters, but the Progressive Conservatives are still holding a strong lead.

The Mainstreet Research poll, which was conducted April 16-18, says Doug Ford’s party has the support of 44.9 per cent of decided voters — that’s more than 16 per cent ahead of Kathleen Wynne’s Liberals, who are in second place with 28.2 per cent.

The NDP is in third place with 21.3 per cent followed by the Green part at four per cent.

The Mainstreet poll that was done after the Liberals’ budget at the start of the month had the PCs at just over 50 per cent support.

“We are not surprised to see the PCs come down in support from our previous poll,” said Quito Maggi, the CEO of Mainstreet Research. “They have surrendered their lead in Toronto to the Liberals, but there is no doubt that the PCs will be starting the campaign as the frontrunners.”



The poll also found that the PCs have leading by a large margin in every part of Ontario, except Toronto. In the city, the Liberals have 37.6 per cent support of all voters, while the PCs have 30 per cent.

The NDP gained a bit of ground since the last Mainstreet poll, with more respondents saying they have a favourable opinion of its leader Andrea Horwath. Mainstreet says her net favourability rating has increased by six points to 14 per cent.

While Wynne’s favourability rating has increased by 10 points, her net rating remains -35.6 per cent, while Ford’s is -6.5 per cent.

The latest survey polled 1,763 voters using automated telephone interviews. The margin of error is +/- 2.33% and is accurate 19 times out of 20.


https://www.ottawamatters.com/around-ontario/liberals-ndp-gain-ground-but-pcs-maintain-strong-lead-poll-908757
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 9:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Forums and Leger polling are showing a pretty similar trend;
Forums even has the Liberals winning just seven seats with the NDP winning 23.

The NDP in the case of the Forums poll has pulled ahead of the Liberals in the 416;
Considering the PCs are ahead I would imagine that is on the back of the 416 suburbs and the NDP is likely ahead in old Toronto.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 9:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Watching this take shape, you get the feeling that the two opposition leaders are waiting patiently as Wynne burns through more public money holding 'town hall' meetings.

She won, against the odds, last time. She, no doubt, thinks she has some magic and can do it again. But Hudak lost the last election, she didn't win it.

I think it only discredits her in the public's eye. I don't trust my own perceptions on this, but I think her energy is coming across as frantic desperation. She is a drag on the Liberal Party -- isn't that a fair statement?

Ontario's first female Premier. Anyone want to repeat that experiment? Will the Lesbian Civil Servants Association put a statue of her in front of Queen's Park, demanding an extra bit of 'dignity' and 'respect' for her sexual choices?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bugs wrote:
Watching this take shape, you get the feeling that the two opposition leaders are waiting patiently as Wynne burns through more public money holding 'town hall' meetings.

She won, against the odds, last time. She, no doubt, thinks she has some magic and can do it again. But Hudak lost the last election, she didn't win it.

I think it only discredits her in the public's eye. I don't trust my own perceptions on this, but I think her energy is coming across as frantic desperation. She is a drag on the Liberal Party -- isn't that a fair statement?


In the past,
The opposition parties were campaigning for the job of Government, whereas this time the Government is campaigning to keep the job.

Hudak and Tory for their warts never had a lead like this on the eve of an election call, nor did Howath ever appear to have this sort of support in old Toronto or anywhere for that matter.

The Liberals also very rarely saw polling near an election that would have reduced them to anything short of the official opposition in a PC minority government, in a worst case most of their caucus would have remained intact.

Never have we seen polling this close to an election that would potentially reduce the OLP to single digits in seats.

I don't think her energy is coming off as frantic desperation;
I think it is frantic desperation.

The budget by nearly all estimations should have given the OLP some sort of bump,
Then the election of Doug Ford as leader of the PCs was essentially a dream come true, till it actually helped the Tories in the polls.

They are a month and change away from the election and nothing seems to be working, at this point I think its a matter of throwing spaghetti against the wall and hoping something sticks.
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( in further desperation the liberals discovered a video of Doug Ford saying he'd open up some of the green belt land to development , considering the housing crisis in Toronto . I'm not sure why this is even a surprise or controversial . most of the green belt land is not environmentally significant and any land that was such as Holland Marsh or Niagara escarpment lands would still be off limits )


Doug Ford assured developers he plans to open up Greenbelt to housing development


PC leader told them he will “open a big chunk” of the Greenbelt of protected GTHA farmland to build housing if the Progressive Conservatives win the June 7 election.



Doug Ford said the 800,000-hectare swath of land is “just farmer fields.”


By Robert BenzieQueen's Park Bureau Chief
Kristin RushowyQueen's Park Bureau

Mon., April 30, 2018



Doug Ford has privately assured developers he will “open a big chunk” of the Greenbelt of protected GTHA farmland to build housing if the Progressive Conservatives win the June 7 election.

In a video recorded Feb. 12 and shared with the media Monday by the governing Liberals, Ford said the 800,000-hectare swath of land is “just farmer fields.”

“It’s right beside a community. We need to open that up and create a larger supply,” he said, noting that will lead to “price drops” in housing in the Greater Toronto and Hamilton Area.

“I’ve already talked to some of the biggest developers in the country, and, again, I wish I could say it’s my idea, but it was their idea, as well,” the PC leader said in February.

“ ‘Give us property! We’ll build and we’ll drive the cost down.’ That’s my plan for affordable housing,” he said.


Speaking to reporters at a campaign event later in Whitby, Ford confirmed he was, indeed, looking at opening up the Greenbelt to development.

“I support the Greenbelt in a big way. Anything we may look at to reduce housing costs — because everyone knows housing costs (are) through the roof and there’s no more property available to build housing in Toronto or the GTA — it will be replaced,” he said.

“Anything that we will look at on the Greenbelt will be replaced, so there will still be an equal amount of Greenbelt.”


It was unclear how Ford could expand the Greenbelt if the preserved land is paved over for development.

Housing Minister Peter Milczyn pointed out that as a city councillor, when his late brother Rob Ford was mayor, the Tory leader wanted to redevelop Toronto’s port lands and build a massive Ferris wheel.

“It’s very disturbing how Doug makes policy and the implications and the repercussions of that policy, but I’ve seen Doug do this at city hall — whoever whispers a business idea into his … ear, that’s what he runs with,” said Milczyn, who served on council with Ford.

Environment Minister Chris Ballard, who disclosed the existence of the video to reporters at Queen’s Park, said it is proof that “Doug Ford has made secret promises to big developers.”

“Once elected premier, he will bulldoze a great swath of the Greenbelt and turn it into the largest condo farm this province has ever seen,” said Ballard, who represents Newmarket-Aurora.

“Ford’s promise to pave the Greenbelt, not only encourages sprawl, but it puts farmland, wild land and wetlands, including ravines and rivers currently protected, at risk of being encroached and even replaced by new suburban development,” he said.

NDP MPP Peter Tabuns (Toronto Danforth) said “the Greenbelt has to be defended if we’re going to have liveable cities in Ontario.”

“You have to curb sprawl. It doesn’t strike me as a practical suggestion. It sounds like something that a land speculator would be very happy with,” said Tabuns.

Former Liberal premier Dalton McGuinty enshrined the Greenbelt in law in 2005 to curb urban sprawl and conserve environmentally sensitive lands.

While some farmers and many developers have warned that it unfairly impinges upon land use, others have argued the Greenbelt should be increased in size.

Tim Gray, executive director of Environmental Defence, said “the Greenbelt does not constrain housing supply or cause high house prices.”

“Municipal data shows that there is enough land available to provide for housing development within existing Greater Toronto and Hamilton Area urban boundaries until 2031,” said Gray.

“There are also abundant lands outside of towns and cities that are not within the Greenbelt that could be available for expansion after that date.”

Joe Vaccaro, chief executive of the Ontario Home Builders’ Association, emphasized that its 4,000 member companies “support growing the Greenbelt through a science-based approach that protects significant environmental features.”

“OHBA, our local associations, our members and our industry are committed to working with all levels of government through a public process to build more housing supply and choice for Ontarians.”


https://www.thestar.com/news/queenspark/2018/04/30/doug-ford-assured-developers-he-plans-to-open-up-greenbelt-to-housing-development.html
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 2:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The same Greenbelt discussion that was being had in 2016 when Patrick Brown was still leader?

Breaking News.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cosmostein wrote:
The same Greenbelt discussion that was being had in 2016 when Patrick Brown was still leader?

Breaking News.



I always found the greenbelt idea kind of odd to begin with , as the lands being protected were not nearly as rustic and environmentally significant as some of the land being lost here to developments

there is nothing to stop a developer from buying a rustic woodlot here filled with old trees and wildlife and instead building homes . which is what happened in Gravenhurst Ontario where a developer bought a pristine woodlot near the town and has already cut down all the trees that were on it ( older oak and pine ) even though the development itself isn't even approved and no homes even built yet .

the town councils in most of these towns are also highly in favour of such developments cause they get more revenue from the taxes the extra homes bring , so developers know even if they propose to destroy natural areas the town isn't going to stop them , I know of one individual locally who wants to build a home in a swamp/wetland area which clearly should not be allowed for so many reasons but the town seems unwilling to prevent it from happening


its also ironic the Minister of Enviroment is Chris Ballard the mpp for Newmarket Aurora , a suburban riding almost entirely created from urban sprawl , most of the residents live in subdivisions which were created by developing former farm properties


but I know of many developments planned already on non greenbelt lands ( such as Barrie > Bradford corridor ) that I'm really not sure why developers would need access to the greenbelt immediately , the south Barrie lands are just one example and 1000's of homes are proposed for them , the project has just taken some time to get up and running
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