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torian





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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 7:01 am    Post subject: the pot thread (was libs and reporter seriously deluded) Reply with quote

edited to change the header to a more appropo one :)
no harm, no foul!

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?
pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1160430612393&call_pageid=968332188492&col=968793972154&t=TS_Home


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Steve





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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 9:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Heh.

They swaggered into the last election too.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 10:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I saw that article online earlier today on their website. Pretty sad, I almost feel sorry for these guys.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 11:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"It's hard to imagine a Conservative gathering drawing this kind of high-wattage crowd when they were in opposition just a year ago."

"the NDP's continuing strategy of playing nice with the Tories in league against the Liberals also leaves the field clear for the Grits to be the sole voice of the outraged left."

"Those weak spots, according to the Liberals, are:

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Harper's ideological alliance and affinity with U.S. President George W. Bush.

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Ethics the difference between what the Tories preached in opposition and what they're doing in power.

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Treating the voters as stupid. Telling them, for instance, that the Conservatives are reducing taxes when they're actually increasing them, or changing their story on whether they actually promised to deliver a medical wait-times guarantee.

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The appeal to the Conservatives' base or "narrow-casting," as Goodale calls this government's style.

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The lack of an economic plan. Liberals are now convinced the Tories have no long-term economic agenda after fulfilling their election promises."


Whatever they are passing around at the Star's head office, I want some...

-Z
Matt





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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 6:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cosmostein wrote:

Whatever they are passing around at the Star's head office, I want some...


I don't think it's quite legal yet....
biggie





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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 7:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hence their smear campaign ;)
PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 10:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

so now Jack's playing nice with the tories? wha wha wha? Layton has been the ONLY opposition to the tories, I never hear shit about the Liberals anymore, its Jack Layton that stands up for civil liberties, and against the republican style government of the Cons, not the liberal party. Jack's playin nice? that's a laugh. I welcome all former liberals to join a party they can be proud to a part of, Jack Layton's NDP. Its kind of like the Liberal party only without the corruption. The Liberals and NDP are both pro choice, pro equal right to marriage, and both open to drug law reform. One party has a strong leader, the other has not much to offer. Unite the left under Layton. If you read their platform it is achievable and fiscally responsible. The NDP is not going to spend money frivolously. The NDP would not raise taxes for the middle class. Read their platform before writing them off as tax and spenders. It makes sense for young working families to vote for Jack Layton in my opinion. Our kids future depends on it.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 12:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DrGreenthumb wrote:
its Jack Layton that stands up for civil liberties


Yeah, I can't wait to see the Hezbollah float in next year's Pride Parade.

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against the republican style government of the Cons


Reductio ad americanum

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Jack's playin nice? that's a laugh.


Jack's the kind of politician that rolls up his sleaves. Really, there's a campaign photo of him somewhere emulating somebody that's done a hard day's work in his life.

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I welcome all former liberals to join a party they can be proud to a part of, Jack Layton's NDP.


I thought you socialists were against "ownership". Jack Layton's NDP? Return the party to the people, to the grassroots! Enough of this from-above strongarming of the humble NDP!

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Its kind of like the Liberal party only without the corruption.


Yeah, no handouts to connected special interests (unions) under an NDP government... right.

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The Liberals and NDP are both pro choice, pro equal right to marriage, and both open to drug law reform.


Some Conservative party members also share these positions. Some Liberals are pro life, pro traditional marriage and anti drug. As for the NDP, ask Monia Mazigh what her position is on gay marriage, abortion and drugs.

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Unite the left under Layton.


Yes... please...! :lol:

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If you read their platform it is achievable and fiscally responsible.


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Globeandmail.com: Economist Paul Summerville, who ran for the NDP in the Toronto riding of St. Paul's, said he was leaving the party because the leadership would not counter the strong "anti-market rhetoric" from the grassroots. Mr. Summerville said he hopes to attend the Liberal leadership convention in Montreal as a supporter of Bob Rae, the former NDP premier of Ontario.


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It makes sense for young working families


"Working" people / families etc. is pure rhetoric. People that work are taxpayers. The NDP is not a friend to taxpayers.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 2:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As far as I have been able to determine, just from my experience of living my entire life in a jurisdiction that votes NDP more often than not, the NDP are not a friend to anyone.

The oil sands on the Sask side have a higher bitumen content than on the Alberta side, Why are all the projects in Alberta? Sask is second in crude reserves in Canada; a map of all the wells in the West clearly shows where the border is. Sask is #3 in Canada in reserves of natural gas. Sask has Uranium, potash, wood, food, diamonds, coal; we are blessed with almost every conceivable natural resource known to man. Until oil topped $70, we were a have not province. Why? Not much difference between us and Alberta, save we vote NDP, and they do not. Our population stopped growing in the 30's, just about the time we started voting CCF/NDP.

Anyone who is of the opinion that the NDP would be a firm competent hand to guide the economy has most assuredly never lived in a jurisdiction run by the NDP. Also, I have to say it, they are short on the book lernin', and the common sense.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 9:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DrGreenthumb wrote:
If you read their platform it is achievable and fiscally responsible. The NDP is not going to spend money frivolously. The NDP would not raise taxes for the middle class. .


Now I mean no disrespect, but my background in is Economics and Finance and Iam generally working on a day to day basis with these tools and I simply need to ask you how you feel that the platform is fiscally responsible?

I do my best to be an informed voter, even though my leanings are normally with the Conservatives, Progressive or otherwise never the less I always make my best effort to complete every platform that is offered by all the major parties (including the Green) and more then anything the NDP platform did not really offer anything in terms of long term economic planning. It was a roadmap on how to spend the existing surplus that was in place but had very little to offer the voter for beyond a year down the road. It seemed more like a platform of a party that was hoping to get enough seats that it could make a few demands but I saw nothing within that platform that made me feel comfortable with their longer term plan.

It did offer a lot to increase "worker rights" which I generally have no problem with but using GM as an example, blaming GM or blaming their labour costs for their current fiscal state, Oshawa is one revised Camero Concept Failure away from becoming a city with a staggering employment problem, and I don't think that the NDP's war on Big Business, or Business in general is really a good long term solution for growing our Economy.

As for the middle class, what is the middle class in Jack Laytons books? I think the broad definition that any family with a combine income over 80,000 as "Fat Cats" is a little short sided, especially with the cost of homes in and around major cities, and the growing cost of education for those parents kind enough to help with tuition.

The average income for a Canadian family with children and two sources of income in 2004 was $73,200 and if the formula for growth holds true for the tax year of 2007 the average Canadian family with children and two sources of income will be hovering between 78,900 - 81,100 that's a lot of "Fat Cats".

And an average income I think can fairly sum up the middle class in Canada, so I am not sure how the NDP under Jack Layton can help the middle class on one hand, yet refer to that same earns group as wealthy with the other?

Like I said I am not trying to be condescending, I am just curious for the reasoning behind your support of the NDP.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 11:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vote NDP if you like:

- Collecting Welfare
- The Taliban
- Breaking Laws
- Working for Buzz Hargrove's Auto Union(oops, Jack doesn't like him anymore, Nevermind ;)
- Overpaying taxes and getting nothing in return
- Hezbollah
- Slinging mud at our closest allies
- Following Sharia law and paying head taxes for not converting to islam
- Matriarchy


Incidently, has anyone else questioned the logic in trying to recruit NDP in a conservative forum? And they argue that marijuana doesn't kill brain cells... Right..


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 11:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It seems that the trolls are starting to find our little discussion site here. I just found the first reference to the New World Order (NWO). That conspiracy crap is absolute radioactive poison for discussion boards in my experience.

Hopefully, the moderators cut that cancer out before it has a chance to metastisize.
PostPosted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 4:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Biggie I don't expect any con voters to switch to the NDP, don't get your panties in a bunch. I was appealing to the rest of the voters who could never stomach voting con and would normally vote liberal. You should like that kind of thing, seeing as how the libs are usually the greatest threat to the cons forming a govt. I'm trying to tell THOSE people to vote NDP, instead of the liberals who are great at making promises but not so great at keeping them.

As for pot and brain cells, I will answer to your statement since you can't seem to ever make a post without some sort of pot reference, lol.

Recent peer reviewed medical studies have proven beyond any doubt that pot does NOT destroy brain cells, in fact the opposite is true. Smoking pot stimulates the creation of new brain cells in the hypothalamus. Feel free to keep repeating the reefer madness era lies, they are fun and easy to refute with scientific evidence.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 5:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is a conservative website - the people who might vote NDP aren't on this site - the people who already vote conservative, or already vote NDP(like yourself), are here... not moderate wishy-washy people who can't decide for themselves.. Your calls are falling on dead ears - none of us want to hear the same crap we're faced with day in and day out, I for one come here to discuss issues with like-minded people. I'm certain that is why most of us come here to the "Blogging TORIES" Website. We accept and understand opposite views, but don't expect us to not argue them - and don't expect us to leave alone an NDP recruitment drive on your part - you walk into a lions den with a steak, you're getting eaten alive- Thats why i stay away from NDP/Liberal sites... (that and I respect those people enough not to be a troll)

And I don't buy your claims that marijuana makes you smarter - I don't believe your bull&%# studies, funded by marijuana supporters(because REAL LIFE experience tells me otherwise).. Your evidence is weak(and very disputable), and your arguments are growing old.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 7:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How did this thread get turned into just another thread about weed, like so many other on this forum. It becoming a trite theme on this forum.
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