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PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2017 12:58 pm    Post subject: Liberals say no to Mandatory and Online voting Reply with quote

( its becoming more clear there is going to be very little of any change to the way Canadians vote , although the liberals promised much , very little of any electoral reform is likely to move forward )



Liberals say no to mandatory and online voting

Special committee on electoral reform had recommended against government pursuing such reforms

By Aaron Wherry, CBC News Posted: Apr 04, 2017 11:03 AM ET| Last Updated: Apr 04, 2017 11:14 AM ET

Minister of Democratic Institutions Karina Gould says the Liberal government will not be pursuing mandatory or online voting.


The Liberal government says it will not pursue mandatory or online voting for federal elections.

The Liberals had raised the ideas for consideration in their 2015 election platform and tasked the special committee on electoral reform with studying the possibilities.

But MPs on the special committee were divided on the merits of mandatory voting and concerned about the security of online voting, and recommended against pursuing either.

In a formal response to the committee's report, submitted on Monday, Minister of Democratic Institutions Karina Gould said the government agrees with the committee.

"While Canadians feel that online voting in federal elections would have a positive effect on voter turnout, their support is contingent on assurances that online voting would not result in increased security risks," Gould wrote. "We agree."

A Liberal adviser publicly suggested mandatory voting in a 2014 paper.

Voting has been compulsory in Australia since 1924. Any eligible voter who does not cast a ballot must provide a valid excuse or pay a $20 fine. Turnout in the last Australian federal election was 95 per cent.

The Liberals say they are committed to finding other ways of encouraging voter turnout. Legislation currently before Parliament would allow citizens to use the voter information card for identification purposes at the polls and restore Elections Canada's ability to promote voting.

The Liberal response restates that the government won't be pursuing electoral reform, as Gould announced in February.

"The electoral system is foundational to any democratic system, and any changes to how we vote must have the broad support of Canadians," Gould writes.

"As stated in my mandate letter released publicly on February 1, 2017, 'A clear preference for a new electoral system, let alone a consensus, has not emerged. Furthermore, without a clear preference or a clear question, a referendum would not be in Canada's interest.' Changing the electoral system is not in my mandate as Minister of Democratic Institutions."

The electoral-reform debate hasn't entirely faded from view in the two months since Gould announced that change was not in her mandate.

NDP reform critic Nathan Cullen recently embarked on a national series of town hall meetings on the topic. And Fair Vote Canada, an organization that promotes proportional representation, participated in the recent set of byelections in hopes of "sending a strong message" to the Liberals.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politic.....-1.4054412
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2017 3:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And again;

To the masses who voted for the Liberals hoping and changing for electoral reform,
I once again ask:

Why in the world would a party who has a majority government with less than 40% of the popular vote ever change the system that secured them that majority to one which would almost certainly reduce their power?
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2017 3:31 pm    Post subject: Re: Liberals say no to Mandatory and Online voting Reply with quote

RCO wrote:

"As stated in my mandate letter released publicly on February 1, 2017, 'A clear preference for a new electoral system, let alone a consensus, has not emerged. Furthermore, without a clear preference or a clear question, a referendum would not be in Canada's interest.' Changing the electoral system is not in my mandate as Minister of Democratic Institutions."


This has to be my favorite political statement of 2017 thus far;

1) The committee did come up with a preferred system and a clear consensus, it simply wasn't the preferred system of the Government.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2.....52320.html

2) Asking the electorate to weigh in on the system that elects their government is not in Canada's interest?

Why's that?
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2017 7:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cosmostein wrote:
And again;

To the masses who voted for the Liberals hoping and changing for electoral reform,
I once again ask:

Why in the world would a party who has a majority government with less than 40% of the popular vote ever change the system that secured them that majority to one which would almost certainly reduce their power?



I'm really not sure who online or mandatory voting would benefit , perhaps the liberals realised it be more trouble than it was worth or provide no benefit

or the public interest just wasn't there for either of these proposals
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2017 10:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RCO wrote:

or the public interest just wasn't there for either of these proposals


Turnout has been between 58% and 68%-ish over the last dozen or so elections;
Threatening to fine voters even a token amount would likely bring out that 42 - 32% in droves to vote against the party who put into place.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2017 10:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why is turnout a problem? It implies -- assuming that voting is convenient -- that people are either confused about what to do or satisfied with the status quo, or their choice is "none of the above".

There are probably a lot more 'none of the above' people than you think.

The problem with our voting system is the distribution of seats. The variations in the number of voters in a riding is quite large, and so not everybody has the same input.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2017 2:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cosmostein wrote:
RCO wrote:

or the public interest just wasn't there for either of these proposals


Turnout has been between 58% and 68%-ish over the last dozen or so elections;
Threatening to fine voters even a token amount would likely bring out that 42 - 32% in droves to vote against the party who put into place.


I agree there could be a potential backlash for bringing in mandatory voting , it could also bring out people to the polls who might vote against the government , who might of otherwise stayed home

so it wouldn't make sense to force them to vote if you know there not going to vote for you
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