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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 6:49 am    Post subject: Liberals to introduce new firearms legislation Reply with quote

( the big question is why is new legislation needed ? especially if liberals say there not bringing back a long gun registry , there is already current laws on the books that make it illegal for anyone without a license to own or possess a firearm . you cannot purchase a firearm from a seller without a license and to get one they have to apply and go thru a complicated process , which involves a background check and references .
there is also very strict legal requirements around legal hand guns in Canada and they are already registered , much stricter than laws south of the border . I don't understand how new laws are going to get illegal hand guns off the street ? that were smuggled across the border and not purchased here o begin with and who's illegal owner does not have a firearms license to begin with ? )



Rural Liberal MPs ‘awfully nervous’ about upcoming gun legislation, any tinkering could be trouble


Public Safety Minister Ralph Goodale

Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness Minister Ralph Goodale is expected to table the firearms legislation this spring. Mr. Goodale met with the Liberal caucus on Feb. 21 for an ‘update and consult’ session on the legislation and now opposition MPs want to meet with the minister to offer their input. The Hill Times photograph by Jake Wright

By ABBAS RANA


PUBLISHED : Monday, April 3, 2017 12:00 AM



Public Safety Minister Ralph Goodale is expected to table legislation this spring to get handguns and assault weapons off the streets and promises not to create a new national long-gun registry, but some rural Liberal MPs say they are anxious about any tinkering of the gun laws.

“They’re awfully nervous about what the legislation could be,” a Liberal source told The Hill Times on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak on the subject and did not want to be seen criticizing his own party. “They’re afraid it’s a backdoor to a gun registry like we had before.”

Mr. Goodale (Wascana, Sask.) met with the Liberal caucus behind closed doors for an “update and consult” session on Tuesday, Feb. 21, in the Sir John A. Macdonald Building. In the meeting, Liberal MPs provided their input on what their constituents’ views were on gun control.

Justice Minister Jody Wilson-Raybould (Vancouver Granville, B.C.) also attended the meeting


“As our government moves toward implementation of our‎ platform and mandate priorities, I would welcome the opportunity to update and consult with caucus on firearms policies,” wrote Mr. Goodale in his invitation email to Liberal MPs for the meeting which was obtained by The Hill Times. “This is an important component for the enhancement of community safety, and so I hope you will be able to participate in the conversation.”

Dan Brien, director of communications for Mr. Goodale, said the minister has no plans to introduce a long-gun registry and declined to discuss any specifics of the upcoming legislation.

“The government’s made it very clear it’s not going to reintroduce the long-gun registry,” said Mr. Brien. “It’s about as categorical as we can get.”

But Liberal sources said the issue is critically important to rural Liberal MPs for the 2019 re-election. They’re concerned that any new measures, like the 1995 gun registry, would negatively affect Liberal MPs in dozens of rural ridings. Liberal sources said the upcoming bill might introduce new measures that could upset rural Canadians.

“They’re worried that if this were to be like that previous gun registry, they’d see their own electoral fortunes disappear by the next election,” said the same Liberal source. “That’s what the overall concern is.”

Introduced in 1995 by prime minister Jean Chrétien in response to the 1989 massacre of women at Montreal’s École Polytechnique, the gun registry legislation proved to be extremely unpopular especially among rural MPs and residents for its cost overruns and the feeling that gun owners were treated like criminals.

At the time of introduction of the registry, the estimated cost was about $120-million and most of it was expected to be recovered through the registration fees. But by 2004, it cost $2-billion.

In 2006 election, the Stephen Harper Conservatives capitalized on the backlash against Liberals in dozens of Grit-held rural ridings across the country because of the registry.

The Conservatives promised that if they formed government, they would abolish the registry. They delivered on the promise, by passing Bill C-42 or Commons Sense Firearms Licencing Act which received royal assent in 2012. The Conservatives won a minority government in 2006 and 2008 and a majority government in 2011, but were defeated in 2015.

Prior to the last federal election, the Liberals pledged that they would “not create a new national long-gun registry to replace the one that has been dismantled.” But vowed to “take pragmatic action to make it harder for criminals to get, and use, handguns and assault weapons.” The platform commitment said the party will not allow the transportation of prohibited weapons without a permit and will give the authority to make decisions on weapons restrictions to the RCMP. The platform also vowed to enhance background checks for gun buyers and require firearm sellers to keep records of inventory and sales to help the police in gun crimes and gun trafficking crimes.

There’s no agreed upon criteria as to which federal ridings constitute rural and which ones urban ridings.

According to Statistics Canada, in 2011, 81 per cent or 27 million Canadians lived in urban areas and 19 per cent or 6.3 million lived in rural areas. In comparison, 87 per cent of Canada’s population was rural in 1851 and 13 per cent urban, according to Statistics Canada.

According to Elections Canada, an electoral district entirely formed by rural polling divisions is deemed as a rural riding. Just three ridings meet the criteria. A riding consisting entirely of urban polling divisions is considered urban. There are 166 ridings like this out of the House total of 338. There are 71 rural/urban ridings where most of the polling stations, but not all, are considered rural. And there are another 98 mixed ridings where the balance goes more toward the urban side, and they’re considered urban/rural.

In the last election, there were 33 rural, rural/urban and urban/rural ridings across the country which were won or lost by a margin of five per cent or less of the votes. Of these 33, 11 are rural/urban and 22 urban/rural. Out of total 33, the Liberals won 15, Conservatives eight, NDP seven and Bloc three.

Rookie Liberal MP Jati Sidhu (Mission-Matsqui-Fraser Canyon, B.C.) told The Hill Times that he’s confident the government has no plans to re-enact the gun registry. He said he has provided his input to Mr. Goodale in the consultation meeting, but declined to share the specifics because of caucus confidentiality. Mr. Sidhu, however, said he has heard from his constituents that they don’t want the government to start any new reporting mechanism when they transport their unrestricted firearms for hunting or to shooting ranges.

“If you are going for hunting, or to a shooting range, I don’t think gun owners need to notify anyone,” Mr. Sidhu said who won his riding by a margin of 2.3 per cent of the vote in the last election.

Mr. Sidhu said the gun control issue is critically important for MPs representing rural ridings and it could make or break rural MPs’ electoral fortunes in 2019.

“If it’s not done right, I fully understand, it can have a negative impact,” said Mr. Sidhu.


Liberal MP Jati Sidhu told The Hill Times that he provided input to Pubic Safety Minister about the upcoming legislation on Feb. 21. The Hill Times photograph by Jake Wright.

Rookie Liberal Marc Serré (Nickel Belt, Ont.), who won the 2015 election by a margin of five per cent of the votes, agreed.

“It’s an important piece [of legislation], rural hunters are vocal,” said Mr. Serré adding that he has also provided his input to the Public Safety Minister. “Hunters and anglers are well organized, Mr. Goodale knows the importance of this [issue].”

Mr. Serré did not share his views on the transportation of firearms saying he wants to get more information from Mr. Goodale’s office before he could answer any question. He also said that he’s confident the government has no plans to bring back the gun registry.

Rookie Liberal MP Marc Serre, pictured in his office, says he’s confident the government has no plans to reintroduce gun registry. The Hill Times photograph by Marco Vigliotti

Rod Gilatca, president of the Canadian Coalition for Firearm Rights, said he does not know what measures the upcoming legislation would entail, but predicted that if the government failed to handle this issue to the satisfaction of rural population, it could politically hurt the Liberals in the next election.

“My prediction is the Liberals will find themselves right back where they were in the last election cycle as a result of their support for the long-gun registry,” said Mr. Gilatca.

Blair Hagen, vice president of National Firearms Association, said last week that several rural Liberal MPs told him they were nervous about the upcoming legislation. He said they don’t want any new measure that could be the starting point back to the 1995-era gun registry and declined to share names of Liberal MPs to protect their privacy.

“They’ve got concerns about the issue, concerns, in general, about regulating and legislating against law-abiding people, because that’s what we’re talking about here,” said Mr. Hagen.

Liberal MP Mike Bossio (Hastings-Lennox and Addington, Ont.), chair of the Liberal rural caucus, declined to be interviewed for this story, saying it’s premature to comment on this subject as the legislation has not be been tabled yet. The first-term MP won his riding by 0.5 per cent of the vote margin.

Conservative MP Larry Miller and NDP MP Matthew Dubé (Beloeil-Chambly, Que.), both members of the House Public Safety Committee, said last week that since Mr. Goodale consulted Liberal MPs on the firearms legislation, the minister should also get input from opposition MPs before the legislation is introduced.

“They should be consulting, what do you think of this, what kind of thing,” said Mr. Miller, who was first elected in 2004 and has been re-elected in every subsequent election since. “But, Ralph Goodale, if he doesn’t know that Larry Miller is a hunter and has a fairly good understanding of firearms issues, he should know that. If he really wants input into the bill, he would ask this. But the fact that he didn’t ask us, it just shows, he doesn’t want our input, he’s got his mind made up.”

Mr. Brien told The Hill Times, in an emailed response, that opposition parties could receive briefings about the legislation after it’s introduced.

“As per usual, when the government introduces new legislative measures, we will be happy to offer briefing/discussion sessions to opposition parties,” said Mr. Brien.

Liberal Party’s Platform Promises on Guns:

•repeal changes made by Bill C-42 that allow restricted and prohibited weapons to be freely transported without a permit, and we will put decision-making about weapons restrictions back in the hands of police, not politicians;
•provide $100 million each year to the provinces and territories to support guns and gangs police task forces to take illegal guns off our streets and reduce gang violence;
•modify the membership of the Canadian Firearms Advisory Committee to include knowledgeable law enforcement officers, public health advocates, representatives from women’s groups, and members of the legal community;
•require enhanced background checks for anyone seeking to purchase a handgun or other restricted firearm;
•require purchasers of firearms to show a license when they buy a gun, and require all sellers of firearms to confirm that the license is valid before completing the sale;
•require firearms vendors to keep records of all firearms inventory and sales to assist police in investigating firearms trafficking and other gun crimes;
•immediately implement the imported gun marking regulations that have been repeatedly delayed by Stephen Harper; and
as part of our investment in border infrastructure, invest in technologies to enhance our border guards’ ability to detect and halt illegal guns from the United States entering into Canada.

•We will not create a new national long-gun registry to replace the one that has been dismantled.

•We will ensure that Canada becomes a party to the international Arms Trade Treaty. Source: Liberal Party of Canada

http://www.hilltimes.com/2017/.....oor/101657
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 9:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We are stuck with the old conundrum -- how to restrict the use of guns so that they are kept out of the hands of the bad guys without taking them away from those who actually need them, such as farmers.

I think they simply equate the existence of a gun with the existence of a threat.

This will be another idealistic, not thought-out blunder, like their brave plans to make us greener than anybody else or to make the voting system perfect.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 10:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why are we not popping off champagne corks?
The LGR basically vaporized Liberal support in Northern Ontario and many rural regions;

After the Tories did away with the LGR the net result was the Liberals winning 7 / 10 ridings in Northern Ontario a region they were shut out of prior.

Even in the ridings where John Rafferty & Bruce Hyer took on a whooping from NDP leadership for standing with repeal of the LGR because of constituency backlash there are now two Liberal MPs representing those very ridings.

The best thing for the CPC is for Toronto & Montreal to be dictating to Rural Ridings how dangerous gun ownership is.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 11:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cosmostein wrote:
Why are we not popping off champagne corks?
The LGR basically vaporized Liberal support in Northern Ontario and many rural regions;

After the Tories did away with the LGR the net result was the Liberals winning 7 / 10 ridings in Northern Ontario a region they were shut out of prior.

Even in the ridings where John Rafferty & Bruce Hyer took on a whooping from NDP leadership for standing with repeal of the LGR because of constituency backlash there are now two Liberal MPs representing those very ridings.

The best thing for the CPC is for Toronto & Montreal to be dictating to Rural Ridings how dangerous gun ownership is.


but the liberal demise up north , took some time to materialise . the liberals still won every seat in northern Ontario in the 97 election . although I seem to remember a couple backbench liberal mp's had voted against it so they were viewed as rebels maybe ?

it wasn't till 2000 and 2004 that we actually saw some seats vote for other parties , I seem to recall Timmins James Bay was an open riding as liberal mp retired when Charlie Angus first won in 2004 .

what we seem to be seeing as the " new " liberal government is returning to the old liberal government of the chretien years 93- 2004 . I don't really see anything different about the government in ottawa today and the one in power then .
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 11:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bugs wrote:
We are stuck with the old conundrum -- how to restrict the use of guns so that they are kept out of the hands of the bad guys without taking them away from those who actually need them, such as farmers.

I think they simply equate the existence of a gun with the existence of a threat.

This will be another idealistic, not thought-out blunder, like their brave plans to make us greener than anybody else or to make the voting system perfect.



some of the things being done in Ottawa lately by the liberals do seem rather odd , it seems the backroom has decided to go mean for whatever unknown reasons . like what is the real reason for the sudden parliamentary rule changes ? and what is the real reason for new firearms legislation . I doubt the general public is desperate for either ?

perhaps this is an attempt to drive the conservatives and new leader further to the right as opposing firearms legislation is sure to be viewed as right wing in cities like Toronto and montreal . although it may grow cpc support in places like alberta and rural ridings , it does seem to cement the liberals support in more core urban places

whatever the real reasons it does seem the new friendly liberal government is getting very mean and who knows who the next target will be
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 11:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RCO wrote:

but the liberal demise up north , took some time to materialise . the liberals still won every seat in northern Ontario in the 97 election . although I seem to remember a couple backbench liberal mp's had voted against it so they were viewed as rebels maybe ?

it wasn't till 2000 and 2004 that we actually saw some seats vote for other parties , I seem to recall Timmins James Bay was an open riding as liberal mp retired when Charlie Angus first won in 2004 .


Which largely coincided with the fact that the deadline for gun owners to register their non-restricted firearms under Bill C-68 was January 1, 2003.

Even though the legislation had passed nearly a decade prior it wasn't till owners were forced to comply that it became a major issues in rural ridings.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2017 3:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

( if you remember there was a " study " released a couple weeks back that claimed there was a child injured everyday in Ontario by a gun . Brian Lilley at the rebel has looked into that study in more detail and turns out its all fake . to reach there numbers they included young adults up to age 24 and have included BB guns and airsoft guns as firearms even though they are not legally considered guns , a huge % of the injuries were from BB guns and only a tiny % from real hand guns . but the fake study is being used by the media to push for more gun control )



April 05, 2017

Calling BS on that agenda-driven gun violence study hits a bullseye: Here’s the truth

Brian Lilley
Rebel Co-Founder






When the Canadian Medical Association Journal published a “study” from the Institute for Clinical Evaluative Sciences asserting a child or youth is killed or injured by a firearm every day in Ontario I was shocked, concerned.

If true, that would be horrible, something we should all be concerned about, but it isn’t really true.

I showed last week that the study not only includes anyone up to age 25 but they also include BB guns, air soft and paintball guns in their definition of firearm.

I repeatedly asked for more details like, how many in the 15-24 year-old age group were over the age of 18 and by definition adults? How many injuries were from BB guns, airsoft or paintball rather than actual firearms?

After receiving a complaint from a member of the public about the lack of data and transparency, the researchers released a breakdown of injury by type of firearm and nearly half of all the unintentional injuries were from BB guns.

Watch as I break it down for you and give you a more accurate picture of unintentional injuries by handguns.

This matters because those behind the study and those using the results to devise guidelines, are all groups whose names carry a lot of weight and this study would have most people believe we have a firearms problem when we don’t.

The study also called for storage regulations and restricting ownership while calling the “firearms” injuries preventable which makes me think they don’t know what Canada’s gun storage laws are, or what it takes to get a licence.

I think they used the study to push an agenda. They haven’t released a breakdown of how many of those injured are 18 or older. Doing so might destroy the narrative, pushed by media and encouraged by this study, that little Johnny's getting injured because he found daddy’s loaded handgun out on the counter.

While we may hear stories like that from elsewhere, it’s not common in Canada and is in fact illegal.

If anything, this study proves we don’t have a gun problem in Canada, and don’t need to change the laws to make them stricter unless it’s decided we need a BB gun registry to stop men in their 20s from shooting each other.

It’s important Canadians know the truth so this study isn't used to support more gun control when Trudeau and his Liberals finally unveil their plans.

https://www.therebel.media/calling_bs_on_agenda_driven_gun_study_hits_a_bullseye
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 4:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

( not a firearms bills but seems to be related to the UN arms treaty that gun groups say will make it much harder to import legal firearms into Canada )


Liberals table Arms Trade Treaty accession bill

Conservatives claim bill is a backdoor attempt to bring back the long gun registry


BJ Siekierski

Thursday, April 13th, 2017


With most eyes on on the Liberals’ long-awaited marijuana legalization legislation, the government also tabled legislation Thursday that will allow it to accede to the Arms Trade Treaty by making amendments to the Export and Import Permits Act (EIPA) and Criminal Code.

Bill C-47, according to a government backgrounder, establishes controls over brokering in military goods between two countries outside of Canada, creates a legal obligation for the minister of Foreign Affairs to consider several assessment criteria before authorizing export and import permits, and drastically increases fines for summary conviction offences, up to $250,000.

“The Arms Trade Treaty...

http://ipolitics.ca/2017/04/13.....sion-bill/
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