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PostPosted: Sat Apr 01, 2017 7:00 am    Post subject: Sunshine List grows under Liberals Reply with quote

( unfortuently none of this is really even a surprise to hear anymore )


Sunshine list swells under Liberals

By Antonella Artuso, Queen's Park Bureau Chief
First posted: Friday, March 31, 2017 05:48 PM EDT | Updated: Friday, March 31, 2017 06:59 PM EDT



The number of Ontario public servants making $100,000 a year or more has grown by 727% since the Liberals gained government in 2003.

It is now routine to see teachers, police officers, firefighters, nurses, paramedics, school “caretaking team leaders” and the like in the six-figure-salary club.

“We know that a $100,000 salary is a lot of money and that the people of Ontario have a right to know how their dollars are being spent; at the same time, we know our public servants provide high quality public services and we value their hard work,” Treasury Board President Liz Sandals said in a statement Friday on the release of the annual Sunshine List. “The $100,000 threshold has not changed since the Public Sector Salary Disclosure Act was enacted in 1996 and has not been adjusted to keep up with inflation.”

“If the salary threshold were adjusted for inflation, it would be $149,424 in today’s dollars — reducing the number of employees included in the compendium by 84%,” she said.

The 2016 tally for Ontario public sector salaries and benefits is almost $16 billion.

In 2003, when the Liberal government assumed power, there were 14,926 people who made the annual Sunshine List. By 2016 that number had grown to 123,410 people.

These comparisons included Ontario Power Generation (OPG) employees but not Hydro One workers.

For several years during that 13-year period, public sector workers and their bosses were under an official pay freeze as the government battled growing debt.

At the same time, inflation averaged 1.71% annually, so that you would have needed $124,635 in 2016 dollars to buy what a $100,000 salary did in 2003.

“The Sunshine List has continued to grow, despite it no longer including hundreds of employees at the now private Hydro One. The top earner on the list was Ontario Power Generation CEO Jeff Lyash who made $1.16 million,” Canadian Taxpayers Federation Ontario Director Christine Van Geyn said in a statement. “When many Ontarians struggle to keep their lights on, it really rubs people the wrong way to see the head of OPG earning over seven figures, let alone the other 7,729 OPG employees on the list.”

As hospitals laboured under flat-lined budgets, some of the top execs brought home a healthy paycheque.

Catherine Zahn, the president/CEO of the Centre for Addiction and Mental Health (CAMH), for instance, took home $672,731, while University Health Network (UHN) President/CEO Peter Pisters was paid $753,992.

The take home of Toronto District School Board teachers was creeping up on and, in some cases, passing those of principals.

TDSB spokesman Ryan Bird said there were a number of reasons why the salary of some teachers topped $100,000, including working at summer or night school, or holding a position such as program coordinator.

Meanwhile, the Fraser Institute’s most recent comparison of private and public sector compensation found those working for the government enjoyed a 13.4% wage premium on average.

Also, 82.1% of Ontario government workers have a registered pension plan. And for 97% of those workers, it’s a defined benefit pension plan.

Over in the private sector, just 25.2% of workers have a registered pension plan and, of those plans, only 45.1% are defined benefit.

Public sector workers also tended to take more sick time and retire earlier than their counterparts in the private sector, Fraser Institute noted.

aartuso@postmedia.com

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WHAT THOSE IN CHARGE EARNED IN 2016

Premier Kathleen Wynne: $208,974 (pop. 13.98M)

Markham Mayor Frank Scarpitti: $187,882 (pop. 329,000)

Toronto Mayor John Tory: $184,666 (pop. 2.8M)

Richmond Hill Mayor David Barrow: $180,958 (pop. 195,000)

Vaughan Mayor Maurizio Bevilacqua: $179,029 (pop. 298,000)

Oakville Mayor Rob Burton: $171,943 (pop. 194,000)

Brampton Mayor Linda Jeffrey: $110,968 (pop. 594,000)

(Source: 2017 Ontario Public Salary Disclosure)

http://www.torontosun.com/2017.....r-liberals
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 01, 2017 7:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ontario ‘Sunshine List’ grows, with OPG head at the top


Allison Jones and Jessica Smith Cross


TORONTO — The Canadian Press


Published Friday, Mar. 31, 2017 11:38AM EDT


The CEO of Ontario Power Generation earned nearly $1.2 million last year, making him the highest-paid public-sector employee in the province on a growing list of those earning $100,000 or more.

Jeff Lyash tops the so-called sunshine list with $1,155,900 in pay and $9,800 in taxable benefits, but next year he could be making even more.

OPG wrote a letter this week to the Ontario government saying its CEO would be paid a maximum of $1.9 million, but it is not changing a $3.8-million compensation cap the premier had asked to be revised.

Read more: The 2016 ‘Sunshine List’: Which Ontario public servants earned more than $100,000?

The board “took great care” in calculating the $3.8-million regulatory cap, board chair Bernard Lord wrote, but it has voluntarily set the maximum compensation much lower, with the target at $1.5 million.

As a wage freeze lifts, all broader public-sector agencies have until September to post their proposals for new executive compensation packages under a framework that caps salaries at the 50th percentile of “appropriate comparators.” That means next year’s sunshine list totals could be much higher.

This year there are 123,410 workers on the list, up from 115,431 last year, earning salaries and benefits that total nearly $16 billion.

The $100,000 threshold has not changed since it was introduced by then-premier Mike Harris in 1996. While the premier has suggested she won’t be increasing it because that is still a lot of money, the government notes that if that were adjusted for inflation it would be almost $150,000 and 84 per cent fewer employees would be on the list.

The second highest earner — and the only other person on the list who made more than $1 million — is William Moriarty, the president and CEO of the University of Toronto Asset Management Corporation, at about $1,046,000.

The rest of the top 10 is rounded out with the executive vice-president and chief investment officer of the Ontario Pension Board, OPG’s chief nuclear officer, and hospital presidents.

There were 59 people who cracked the half-a-million-dollar mark, including a radiologist at the Woodstock Hospital who made about $615,000. It also includes former OPG CEO Tom Mitchell, who left the company in 2015 but got a payout of $563,000 last year on top of the $1.59 million he received in 2015.

Ontario Premier Kathleen Wynne was paid about $209,000 — which is not the highest of legislative employees. The director of broadcast and recording services, the clerk and the sergeant-at-arms, all of whom retired last year, earned more. Wynne’s own chief of staff, Andrew Bevan, made about $313,000.

Pat Sorbara, who is on a leave of absence as Wynne’s deputy chief of staff, made $156,000. She was charged late last year with two counts of bribery under the Election Act, charges that were laid after she had already started the unpaid leave effective Oct. 3.

Progressive Conservative Leader Patrick Brown made $181,000 and NDP Leader Andrea Horwath made $158,000.

The PCs note that the former president of the Union Pearson Express made $231,000 despite resigning last March.

“As everyday Ontarians are working harder than ever before but continuing to fall further behind, the Wynne Liberals are handing out massive raises to public-sector executives,” critic Todd Smith said.

The employer with the most workers on the list is OPG with 7,730 employees, including nuclear operators, senior technical engineers and electrical & control technicians. A janitor at OPG made $105,562 last year in salary and benefits.

The most common job is professor, with 5,790 on the list, followed by 3,725 associate professors. There are more than 15,000 police officers of different ranks on the list as well.

Meanwhile, the $4.5 million in pay received by Hydro One’s CEO is not on the sunshine list, even though the province owns 70 per cent of the company. The government intends to sell up to 60 per cent of Hydro One.

As soon as the initial shares were sold, Hydro One was no longer subject to the public-sector salary disclosure. Financial filings only require it to disclose the salaries of its CEO, CFO and next three highest-paid executives.

NDP critic Peter Tabuns said that’s not good enough.

“Ontario families struggling to keep up with rapidly skyrocketing hydro bills don’t know just how many well-positioned people are taking home untold billions from Hydro One,” he said.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com.....e34519117/
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 9:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The original idea of a 'sunshine list' was Mike Harris' government, so the $100,000 level has been diminished by time and inflation. It was supposed to highlight, for the public, how out of line civil servant salaries are, relative to those set in the 'free market'.

The list is 20 years old, and inflation has taken its toll. According to the Globe & Mail, the equivalent of $100,000 in 1996, when the list was started, is now $144,257! (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/sunshine-list-2017/article34524556/)

The public sector was then, and is now a separate occupational realm, where wages and benefits are almost 20% higher (on average) than the same job in the private economy. But this does not take into account the benefits package, which is far richer than that offered in the private sector.

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The available data on non-wage benefits suggest that the government sector enjoys an advantage over the private sector. For example, 82.1 percent of government workers in Ontario are covered by a registered pension plan, compared to 25.2 percent of private sector workers. Of those covered by a registered pension plan, 97.0 percent of government workers enjoyed a defined benefit pension compared to just under half (45.1 percent) of private sector workers.

In addition, government workers retire earlier than their private sector counterparts—about 1.4 years on average—and are much less likely to lose their jobs (3.2 percent in the private sector versus 0.5 percent in the public sector). Moreover, full-time workers in the government sector lost more work time in 2015 for personal reasons (10.9 days on average) than their private sector counterparts (6.8 days).
https://www.fraserinstitute.org/studies/comparing-government-and-private-sector-compensation-in-ontario-2017


But Conservatives shouldn't worry -- their sons won't be corrupted. They aren't eligible for those jobs unless there is no immigrant, person of colour, or woman available to take the money. In a sane world, that would be seen as racial or sexual discrimination, but in Canada, it's called 'progressivism'. It reserves the best jobs in the country, at every occupational level, for the least competent.

If you're worried about it, you can always tell your sons to identify as a woman. It works with bathrooms, maybe it'll work with jobs.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 4:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

( it seems like they've decided anyone working for the Ontario government is worth $100,000 a year , but in the private business world there is people being forced to get by with way less )

Ontario’s Sunshine List 2017: All the ways you never thought you could make $100,000 a year



Daniel Melfi | March 31, 2017 | Last Updated: Apr 3 1:45 PM ET
More from Daniel Melfi
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Sometimes being a janitor can be more lucrative than others.

Postmedia News FilesSometimes being a janitor can be more lucrative than others..


The Sunshine list keeps on growing. But it’s not the executives who steal the spotlight for their scaled salaries. Instead, it’s the incredibly wide range of gigs that Ontarians are occupying that brings this list out into the spotlight. These are not the jobs they told you about in careers class.

Janitor: Michael Osso at Ontario Power Generation, earning 105,562.17

Manager, Caribou Conservation: Hilary Gignac at the Ministry of Natural Resources and Forestry, earning $103,859.63

Stage carpenter: Will Sutton at Ryerson University, earning 102,818.48

Utility Person “A”: Jeff Cline at the City of Kitchener, earning $117,536.43

Manager, Parliamentary Protocol: John Anderson at the Legislative Assembly, earning $102,482.49

Manager, 89 Chestnut residence: Paul Readings at the University of Toronto, earning $135,061.06

Ethicist: Paula Majorie Chidwick at William Osler Health System, earning $161,908.38 (That’s the highest of any medical ethicist in Ontario)

Manager, Non-Bargaining Job Evaluation Initiatives: Anna Li Preti at the Ministry of Government and Consumer Services, earning $112,719.73

Executive Director, Gift-Planning: Karen Bertrand at the University of Toronto, earning $164,738.23

Manager of Basic Training: Charlotte Primeau at the Collège Boréal, earning $118,146.08

Microsoft Domain Administration: Mayuresh Wagle at Legal Aid Ontario, earning $105,994.78

Transit Body Person: Rob Martin at the Regional Municipality of Durham, earning $101,528.26

Petrographer: Carole A. MacDonald at the Ministry of Transportation, earning $102,631.10 (A petrographer is someone who studies the subtle details in rocks)

Vascular Access Coordinator: Darya Zevart at the William Osler Health System, earning $106,793.76

General Machinist: Mark Hao at the Toronto Transit Commission, earning $104,712.50

Polygraph Examiner: Stephen Coburn at the Ministry of Community Safety and Correctional Services, earning $140,602.22 (That’s the highest salary of the province’s three examiners)

Translator: Jean-Yves Asselin at Laurentian University, earning $105,556.65

Editor-in-Chief, Rotman Management Magazine: Karen Christensen of the University of Toronto, earning $170,529.32

http://news.nationalpost.com/n.....000-a-year
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2017 10:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bonus pay for Ontario Power Generation’s CEO set to double next year


Progressive Conservative MPP Todd Smith flagged the increase Wednesday, charging it was “suspiciously left off the government’s books.”



By Rob FergusonQueen's Park Bureau

Wed., April 5, 2017



In a sneak peek at the Sunshine List that will come out this time next year, corporate filings reveal Ontario Power Generation chief executive Jeff Lyash will see his compensation jump to more than $1.53 million.

That’s up from $1.16 million on the 2016 public sector salary disclosure list of $100,000-plus earners released a few days ago.

Securities filings show Lyash’s base salary will hold steady at $775,000 for 2017, but his incentive pay, stemming from 2016, will rise to $755,459 from $352,564 the previous year.

Progressive Conservative MPP Todd Smith flagged the increase Wednesday, charging it was “suspiciously left off the government’s books.”

But Treasury Board president Liz Sandals said the Sunshine List disclosure follows rules established when the former PC government of Mike Harris set up the list two decades ago to shed light on public-sector salaries.

“What is reported is what is actually paid in a calendar year,” she told reporters, noting the legal requirement is to post the amount on a public servant’s T4 income tax slip.

Incentives are based on performance measures from the prior year, so the Sunshine List for 2016 reports salary for that year and incentive pay based on the previous year’s performance, Sandals said.

“Nothing is going unaccounted for.”

Lyash is now in charge of shepherding the massive $12.8-billion refurbishment of the Darlington nuclear power plant, which the government is pressuring him to deliver on time and on budget.

The Sunshine List data on his compensation did not include more detailed elements from the OPG statement of executive compensation, also made public last Friday. This includes $460,000 in pension value and $38,138 in other income. The securities filing lists total compensation for Lyash at $2.03 million.

“These high salaries, bonuses and pension perks are indefensible,” said New Democrat MPP Catherine Fife.

Energy Minister Glen Thibeault said Lyash has earned every penny, particularly as it relates to the Darlington refurbishment.

“Right now, we’re ahead of schedule and below budget. That’s thanks to the expertise that he has, that he’s brought from his other jobs in the U.S.,” Thibeault added.

“We still recognize that these salaries are high . . . , but we are also acknowledging that these people come with some expertise that is very, very important for us to recognize and retain.”

Salaries for executives in the electricity sector are dwarfed by costs in the system and account for “not even a cent” on hydro bills, Thibeault said.

He and Sandals accused the Conservatives of trying to divert attention from their lack of a plan to cut hydro rates, given that the Liberal government has promised to cut rates 25 per cent starting this summer.

That includes waiving the 8 per cent provincial portion of the HST, which took effect in January.

PC Leader Patrick Brown said Monday that his party’s plan is now on the back burner, but will be released before the June 2018 election.

Brown and NDP Leader Andrea Horwath have been critical of the government’s hydro-rate-cut plan, which will cost $25 billion in interest payments over the next 30 years, as recent costs of modernizing the electricity system are spread over a longer time.

https://www.thestar.com/news/queenspark/2017/04/05/bonus-pay-for-ontario-power-generations-ceo-set-to-double-next-year.html
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2017 10:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bugs wrote:
The original idea of a 'sunshine list' was Mike Harris' government, so the $100,000 level has been diminished by time and inflation. It was supposed to highlight, for the public, how out of line civil servant salaries are, relative to those set in the 'free market'.

The list is 20 years old, and inflation has taken its toll. According to the Globe & Mail, the equivalent of $100,000 in 1996, when the list was started, is now $144,257! (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/sunshine-list-2017/article34524556/)

The public sector was then, and is now a separate occupational realm, where wages and benefits are almost 20% higher (on average) than the same job in the private economy. But this does not take into account the benefits package, which is far richer than that offered in the private sector.

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The available data on non-wage benefits suggest that the government sector enjoys an advantage over the private sector. For example, 82.1 percent of government workers in Ontario are covered by a registered pension plan, compared to 25.2 percent of private sector workers. Of those covered by a registered pension plan, 97.0 percent of government workers enjoyed a defined benefit pension compared to just under half (45.1 percent) of private sector workers.

In addition, government workers retire earlier than their private sector counterparts—about 1.4 years on average—and are much less likely to lose their jobs (3.2 percent in the private sector versus 0.5 percent in the public sector). Moreover, full-time workers in the government sector lost more work time in 2015 for personal reasons (10.9 days on average) than their private sector counterparts (6.8 days).
https://www.fraserinstitute.org/studies/comparing-government-and-private-sector-compensation-in-ontario-2017


But Conservatives shouldn't worry -- their sons won't be corrupted. They aren't eligible for those jobs unless there is no immigrant, person of colour, or woman available to take the money. In a sane world, that would be seen as racial or sexual discrimination, but in Canada, it's called 'progressivism'. It reserves the best jobs in the country, at every occupational level, for the least competent.

If you're worried about it, you can always tell your sons to identify as a woman. It works with bathrooms, maybe it'll work with jobs.



it seems that overall pay for government workers at any level of government is rising and has been doing so for some time .

I know it was revealed in the local newspaper this year that 7 town employees are making more than $100,000 although they point out that's down from 9 last year . but in a small town of 18,000 with few really high paying employers when compared to the Toronto area those are very high salaries . ( our town also has serious financial issues and is deeply in the red making these salaries even harder to explain , taxes were also raised greatly in the last local budget )

there is people working full time at manufacturing places here that aren't making anywhere near the money people at town hall have decided to pay themselves

and people are finally starting to wake up and realise how badly were being taken advantage of by these government employees who feel there worth much more money than anyone else in the private sector and that's its our obligation as tax payers to pay them these salaries
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This has been going on for decades. And not only that, they discriminate against white male heterosexuals! The best jobs in the country and your male children aren't eligible! And Conservatives have nothing to say about that!

What's the point of conservatism when it abandons "merit" as a principle?
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2017 11:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bugs wrote:
This has been going on for decades. And not only that, they discriminate against white male heterosexuals! The best jobs in the country and your male children aren't eligible! And Conservatives have nothing to say about that!

What's the point of conservatism when it abandons "merit" as a principle?



unfortuently true of the 7 people in this town who made over $100,00 working for the town , 5 are women and 2 men ( and 1 of the men was the fire chief , so that means there is 5 women and only 1 man at town hall in the 6 figure club ) . we are often hearing news stories about how women make less than men for doing the same jobs or in corporate jobs .

but when examples come public as to what people are actually making , its often revealed not to be true and in fact a lot of women making a lot of money these days . there is a lot more women with degrees and there making good salaries cause of that

which leads me to wonder if our town hall is becoming some sort of elite feminist club where they hire there friends and make sure there well taken care of
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.... these government employees who feel there worth much more money than anyone else in the private sector and that's its our obligation as tax payers to pay them these salaries

Have a look see....."The pay premium is not evenly distributed across the public sector. As previous research by the Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives and Canadian Union of Public Employees have found, the people benefiting the most are women and minorities. Not fat-cat bureaucrats, but cooks and cleaners and clerks who are getting access to above-the-poverty line wages and sick leave benefits they would have far less access to in the private sector.

According to a 2011 study by CUPE economist Toby Sanger, in male-dominated occupations in the public sector the premium actually goes in the opposite direction. Auditors and computer programmers typically earn significantly less on average than those in the private sector. Female-dominated jobs such as nurses and customer service clerks earn significantly more."

And this..." but the CCPA study released last October pointed out “that salaries are highest in the public sector precisely for those groups who experience the greatest discrimination in the private sector.”

This makes a difference not only for less-educated workers, but also for those with university degrees. In the private sector, according to the CCPA study, university-educated women in the private sector make 27 per cent less on average than their male counterparts. In the public sector, that gap shrinks to 18 per cent.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com.....e23637956/

As always, the devil is in the details.
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And not only that, they discriminate against white male heterosexuals! The best jobs in the country and your male children aren't eligible! And Conservatives have nothing to say about that!

What's the point of conservatism when it abandons "merit" as a principle?

55% of the CDN govt workforce is women, has been above 50% since 1988.

In the same timeline, 72% speak english as a first language.

And....about 19% are visible minority/persons w disability.
https://www.canada.ca/en/treasury-board-secretariat/services/innovation/human-resources-statistics/demographic-snapshot-federal-public-service-2015.html

Your white male population not only thrives but dominates.

Rather head shaking you want to discriminate against everyone BUT white males.
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TC, once again, comes on with assertions that run counter to actual research.

He's not disinterested, he's one of the fat cats. He's in that group that gets 20% above market salaries, and more generous benefits than all but the very best employers in the private sector -- American corporations, mostly.

And he's asserting it isn't true. I live in an agricultural community, a place that (unlike Toronto) creates wealth in world class products. The big money people in town are teachers, postal workers, and the few other civil servants. There aren't many doctors or dentists or lawyers. The local shop-keepers barely hang on.

By TCs own data, 28% of Ontario civil servants don't even speak English as a first language! What does that tell you? Look for yourself -- are city workers that come to your house immigrants or not?

Are they women or not? Are they disabled or not?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 07, 2017 7:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bugs wrote:
TC, once again, comes on with assertions that run counter to actual research.

He's not disinterested, he's one of the fat cats. He's in that group that gets 20% above market salaries, and more generous benefits than all but the very best employers in the private sector -- American corporations, mostly.

And he's asserting it isn't true. I live in an agricultural community, a place that (unlike Toronto) creates wealth in world class products. The big money people in town are teachers, postal workers, and the few other civil servants. There aren't many doctors or dentists or lawyers. The local shop-keepers barely hang on.

By TCs own data, 28% of Ontario civil servants don't even speak English as a first language! What does that tell you? Look for yourself -- are city workers that come to your house immigrants or not?

Are they women or not? Are they disabled or not?



its often true here that one of the big money employers in many rural areas is postal workers and that is hard to explain cause Canada post has had so many financial issues over the years but still chooses to pay rather high salaries when compared to other employers

there is people working at the federally run post offices here making over $20 an hour , I've seen the help wanted ads myself for these positions . but there is people working in postal outlets or in variety stores run by private businesses that do some mail services and there making like $11 or $12 an hour

also it seems to be another elite feminist club , I've been to most of the local post offices around here as I have to mail a lot of things . and I've rarely seen or know of any men working in them . all the mail carriers who deliver the mail by car are also women . I'd have to say there running at least a 90% female to male employee ratio in this part . its hard to explain under normal hiring practices that rate unless there giving preference to women
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 07, 2017 11:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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TC, once again, comes on with assertions that run counter to actual research.

Except as noted in my post , there IS research included .

YOu are a funny strange person, you decry facts and make up your own. When presented with them you frog stomp and whine like a SJW.
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He's not disinterested, he's one of the fat cats. He's in that group that gets 20% above market salaries, and more generous benefits than all but the very best employers in the private sector -- American corporations, mostly.

So....then it must mean you are one of the poor downtrodden who get pissed at people who have done far better than you . Your anger shines through. Work harder!

Of course you havent a clue who I am or what I do or what I make.....all are your typical assumptions based on nothing . It would appear that isnt working very well for you.
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And he's asserting it isn't true. I live in an agricultural community,

Hey..great for you.
I bet you dont mind that the largesse of Toronto pays for most of your infrastructure. Country folk left on their own couldnt afford much.

You're welcome !
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a place that (unlike Toronto) creates wealth in world class products.

Too funny....Toronto generates more wealth in a day than your sleepy burg does in a year.
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The local shop-keepers barely hang on.

Dont worry, summer is coming and the city folk will visit and bail your poor out. K?
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By TCs own data, 28% of Ontario civil servants don't even speak English as a first language! What does that tell you? Look for yourself -- are city workers that come to your house immigrants or not?

And here is where I know you are full of shit. Come on man....fess up. You never even read a single line of the attachment!
How so? Oh...easy....I never said nor did my link ever mention a damn thing about Ont civil servants. I posted Federal numbers.

Too funny. Of course it doesnt look good on you but hey.....SOP for you.

BTW....22% of Canada is French ergo.....numbers appear right on re the makeup of the country.

Yikes...embarassed yet? Should be.

Please, stop your juvenile whining will you. Its pathetic.
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RCO wrote:

its often true here that one of the big money employers in many rural areas is postal workers and that is hard to explain cause Canada post has had so many financial issues over the years but still chooses to pay rather high salaries when compared to other employers

Rrual workers make just under $20 an hour, dont get paid for an 8 hour day, 4 -6.5 generally, must pay for their own gas to deliver.
Dont get retirement benefits, overtime , and none of there efforts on piecework count.

So yes, a lot of women will work that since it is likely extra money for the family as hubby works full time.
https://www.glassdoor.ca/Salary/Canada-Post-Salaries-E8747.htm

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also it seems to be another elite feminist club , I've been to most of the local post offices around here as I have to mail a lot of things . and I've rarely seen or know of any men working in them . all the mail carriers who deliver the mail by car are also women . I'd have to say there running at least a 90% female to male employee ratio in this part . its hard to explain under normal hiring practices that rate unless there giving preference to women

Do you say the same thing when in ......
A hospital ?
An Elementary school?
Social workers?
Meeting and Convention workers?
Medical and health services workers?

Probably not. Is there a point to be made about that?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 07, 2017 12:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Toronto Centre wrote:
RCO wrote:

its often true here that one of the big money employers in many rural areas is postal workers and that is hard to explain cause Canada post has had so many financial issues over the years but still chooses to pay rather high salaries when compared to other employers

Rrual workers make just under $20 an hour, dont get paid for an 8 hour day, 4 -6.5 generally, must pay for their own gas to deliver.
Dont get retirement benefits, overtime , and none of there efforts on piecework count.

So yes, a lot of women will work that since it is likely extra money for the family as hubby works full time.
https://www.glassdoor.ca/Salary/Canada-Post-Salaries-E8747.htm

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also it seems to be another elite feminist club , I've been to most of the local post offices around here as I have to mail a lot of things . and I've rarely seen or know of any men working in them . all the mail carriers who deliver the mail by car are also women . I'd have to say there running at least a 90% female to male employee ratio in this part . its hard to explain under normal hiring practices that rate unless there giving preference to women

Do you say the same thing when in ......
A hospital ?
An Elementary school?
Social workers?
Meeting and Convention workers?
Medical and health services workers?

Probably not. Is there a point to be made about that?



well its true we've seen a demographic change at some institutions , like schools . there used to be more male teachers but in recent years . more young women have been going thru university than men . and there starting to fill the openings in schools now and its becoming more female dominated .


my point about Canada post is its clear some post offices are entirely female dominated and that seems to be no accident . I highly doubt they get no qualified applications from men when they advertise online , jobs that pay $20 an hour , much more than other employers here . so why are no men being hired I don't know , perhaps some avoid applying all together cause they feel its too female a place to work and wouldn't want to work with an all female staff ? I have no idea

perhaps some apply but are rejected , we don't really know but it seems unnatural to have such a high % of female employees . and its too politically incorrect for anyone to want to raise a fuss about whats going on there . as after all the media constantly tells us that women are making less than men and that there is few women in high paying positions like CEO's .
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 07, 2017 2:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RCO wrote:


my point about Canada post is its clear some post offices are entirely female dominated and that seems to be no accident .

If you are alluding to them only hiring women, well , I doubt that is even possible given the clime.
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I highly doubt they get no qualified applications from men when they advertise online , jobs that pay $20 an hour , much more than other employers here . so why are no men being hired I don't know , perhaps some avoid applying all together cause they feel its too female a place to work and wouldn't want to work with an all female staff ? I have no idea

The rural pay for the post office maxs out at $20, starts way below that. Minus gas and maintenance on the delivery car (your own) and it was posted that they make minimum wage.
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perhaps some apply but are rejected , we don't really know but it seems unnatural to have such a high % of female employees . and its too politically incorrect for anyone to want to raise a fuss about whats going on there . .
Perhaps, given the relatively low pay vs what else men may be able to obtain means that the only applicants are women.
Occams razor and all that?
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