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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2017 3:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks to PO for his link to the Daily Mail. We often get better coverage of North American news from such sources than we do from our own.

But why would somebody cross into Canada through a woodlot? Or a country road, carrying a packed suitcase, waiting for the coppers to arrive? These photos seem odd.

If you are a legitimate refugee, escaping the real prospects of violence, then all you have to do is march up to a border guard, and you are immediately admitted on some sort of conditional basis. These aren' refugees. And they aren't from either Syria or Mexico.

I think these photographs are posed. And that they indicate a bigger problem.

Second, as I understand it, refugees have to seek refugee status in the closest safe nations. They don't have a right to sit in Turkey, holding out for Germany or America rather than Poland or Mexico. Japan takes no refugees, essentially, and I am told Saudi Arabia doesn't want anything to do with them. So why are we so accommodating?

Could it be that refugees get $1500 a month, and another $2000 if they have a child? That's $3500 a month!
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2017 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bugs wrote:
Thanks to PO for his link to the Daily Mail. We often get better coverage of North American news from such sources than we do from our own.

But why would somebody cross into Canada through a woodlot? Or a country road, carrying a packed suitcase, waiting for the coppers to arrive? These photos seem odd.

If you are a legitimate refugee, escaping the real prospects of violence, then all you have to do is march up to a border guard, and you are immediately admitted on some sort of conditional basis. These aren' refugees. And they aren't from either Syria or Mexico.

I think these photographs are posed. And that they indicate a bigger problem.

Second, as I understand it, refugees have to seek refugee status in the closest safe nations. They don't have a right to sit in Turkey, holding out for Germany or America rather than Poland or Mexico. Japan takes no refugees, essentially, and I am told Saudi Arabia doesn't want anything to do with them. So why are we so accommodating?

Could it be that refugees get $1500 a month, and another $2000 if they have a child? That's $3500 a month!



the reason there crossing thru the woods is a legal loop hole , its been reported in other articles that legally they can't apply for refugee status at official Canada/us border crossings if they have already filed in the US , but for some reason if there arrested at unofficial crossings they can file for refugee status and get a hearing in court

that's the reason there targeting these tiny unheard of places in Manitoba and quebec
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2017 4:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the explanation.

This seems entirely contrived as if the police are there to meet them and start the refugee procedure. It enough of a routine that a photographer can go along and photograph the arrest.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2017 7:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RCO wrote:

that's the reason there targeting these tiny unheard of places in Manitoba and quebec
That is correct.

Pretty hard for them to cross Lake Ontario...unless it gets frozen which wont happen this year. But a couple of years ago it came awfully close to doing it completely (98% or some such)
Rest assured though...........almost all of them will settle in TO.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 11, 2017 8:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

U.S., Canada 'perplexed' about migrant surge into Canada: John Kelly

The majority travelled to the United States with the necessary visas, Kelly said Friday after a meeting in Ottawa with cabinet members


Jim Bronskill — Canadian Press

Jim Bronskill — Canadian Press

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Homeland Security Secretary John Kelly makes a statement on issues related to visas and travel, Monday, March 6, 2017, at the U.S. Customs and Border Protection office in Washington. THE CANADIAN PRESS/AP/Susan Walsh



Most of the migrants who recently made the difficult journey across the border into Canada were in the United States legally, making the trend hard to explain, says U.S. Homeland Security Secretary John Kelly.

The majority travelled to the United States with the necessary visas, Kelly said Friday after a meeting in Ottawa with cabinet members including his Canadian counterpart, Public Safety Minister Ralph Goodale.

“Everyone was perplexed,” Kelly said in an interview with The Canadian Press.

“Many of them have only been in the United States a few days before they made the trek north, so it’s something we’re certainly trying to figure out.”

Canada and the United States have resolved to gather the “hard facts” about the recent influx of would-be refugees into Canada, Goodale said after the meeting.

“The critical thing is to make sure that we have a complete and detailed picture on both sides of the border about what exactly is happening here,” Goodale said.

“This is still relatively early in the process.”

Kelly is the first member of President Donald Trump’s cabinet to visit Canada, underscoring the importance each country places on continental security and policing issues.

Earlier this week, Goodale said he would use the meeting to press Kelly for information on the risky movement of migrants into Canada in the dead of winter, even during a fierce Prairie blizzard.

On Friday, Goodale made it clear there are still many questions.

“Who are the people who are involved in this migration? Where did their journey begin from?” he said. “How long have they been in or transiting through the United States?”

Migrants have been arriving primarily in three provinces: B.C., Manitoba and Quebec. Two government officials recently told The Canadian Press that many of the Quebec migrants have American visas issued at the U.S. Embassy in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia.

Interviews revealed those visas had been obtained in order to use the U.S. as means of reaching Canada in order to claim asylum, said the officials, speaking on condition of anonymity because they weren’t authorized to discuss the issue publicly.

The recent surge of newcomers is just one of several thorny border-related issues.

The Nexus trusted-traveller cards of about 200 Canadian permanent residents were suddenly cancelled after Trump issued an initial executive immigration order banning visitors from seven predominantly Muslim countries.

A revised but largely similar version of the order was introduced this week after the first one ran into judicial roadblocks.

There have also been several recent reports about minorities being turned away at the U.S. border.

The Trump White House wants “as thin a border as we can create,” Kelly said in the interview. “I am very comfortable with the level of security on the border.”

Kelly said if someone is stopped for additional screening, or they are turned away in rare instances, it may be because their name has turned up on a watch list, or there is a problem with their credentials.

“There is a reason why,” he said. “It’s not their race, it’s not their religion, it’s not the language they speak.”

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said Friday that the Liberal government had been working with the Trump administration “to ensure that Canadians’ rights are respected and that we continue to have the smooth flow of goods, services and people back and forth across our border.”

At the same time, it is the right of a country to decide who crosses its border, Trudeau added.

Kelly stressed there are terrorists focused on doing damage to the U.S. “That is the Stanley Cup of their world, to get into the United States, to do something and take the greatest amount of lives they can.”

Andrew Leslie, parliamentary secretary for foreign affairs, took part in meetings Friday and described Kelly as knowledgeable and co-operative. “His immediate default position is, ‘How do we find a solution?”’

Leslie said Kelly is the first of several Trump cabinet members who will visit Canada, though he would not elaborate.

Canada’s privacy czar, meanwhile, called on federal ministers to ask their U.S. counterparts to strengthen privacy protections for Canadians.

In a letter to cabinet members, including Goodale, privacy commissioner Daniel Therrien said Canada should be added to a list of designated countries under the Judicial Redress Act, passed by the U.S. Congress last year.

Another recent executive order from Trump excluded non-U.S. citizens and lawful permanent residents from the protections of the U.S. Privacy Act when it comes to personally identifiable information.

Therrien said Canadians have expressed concern to his office about that order, which Trump signed in January.

Canadians have some privacy protection in the United States, but that protection is fragile because it relies mainly on administrative agreements that do not have the force of law, he concluded.

http://ipolitics.ca/2017/03/11.....ohn-kelly/
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 7:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ralph Goodale fires back at critics over border jumpers



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Published Sunday, March 12, 2017 7:00AM EDT


OTTAWA -- Public Safety Minister Ralph Goodale is taking on Conservative Party criticism that the government needs to do more at the border to prevent asylum seekers from crossing into Canada.

A surge in illegal crossings since the end of 2016 has raised concerns over an influx of refugee claimants in small towns like Emerson, Man., and near the Lacolle border crossing in Quebec. Conservative MPs have urged the Liberal government to "enforce the law," but won't explain what further measures they want the government to take.

"I guess what the Conservatives are saying is maybe we should line up the RCMP at the border, they should all link arms and shoo people away, or maybe [use] fire hoses or whatever, to keep people from crossing at the border," Goodale said in an interview with Evan Solomon, host of CTV's Question Period.


Ralph Goodale on CTV's Question Period
Minister of Public Safety Ralph Goodale speaks with Evan Solomon on CTV's Question Period.

"The fact of the matter is if someone comes across the border, and finds themselves in Canada, and claims asylum... when they're here, they're here. And according to Canadian law, and according to international law, we have to deal with those people in a certain way," he said.

Goodale and Immigration Minister Ahmed Hussen say those who are caught crossing illegally are arrested by the RCMP, taken to an official border crossing, known as a port of entry, and questioned by the Canada Border Services Agency to establish who they are.

Canada and the U.S. have a Safe Third Country Agreement that blocks asylum seekers in either country from making a claim in the other. But it only applies at official ports of entry, where claimants will be turned away if they attempt a claim.

Under the UN Convention on Refugees, anyone inside Canada who makes a refugee claim has to have a hearing. That's led some claimants to cross illegally so they're in the country before making their claim, rather than use an official crossing and be turned back to the U.S. before they can make a claim.

It's also tricky to ask U.S. officials to prevent migrants from crossing into Canada, Goodale pointed out.

"If these people are in the United States legally, there is no legal jurisdiction in the United States to interfere with their movement, as long as they're not breaking any American law," he said.

While Canada is seeing an upswing in illegal border crossings, it's not an historic high. Hussen has resisted calling the surge a trend, and Goodale agrees Canada doesn't yet have enough information about the issue.

"We don't have the absolute answers yet. It's undoubtedly a combination of factors and not every motive is driving all the people in exactly the same way," he said.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics.....-1.3320517
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 3:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RCO wrote:


"I guess what the Conservatives are saying is maybe we should line up the RCMP at the border, they should all link arms and shoo people away, or maybe [use] fire hoses or whatever, to keep people from crossing at the border," Goodale said in an interview with Evan Solomon, host of CTV's Question Period.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics.....-1.3320517


Its interesting that the Minister of Public Safety doesn't see this as an issue.
Is the alternative to simply not enforce the border?

While I am sure the majority if people crossing in this manner are fine folks, but we do have a process for immigration in this country for a reason.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 7:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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RCO wrote:


"I guess what the Conservatives are saying is maybe we should line up the RCMP at the border, they should all link arms and shoo people away, or maybe [use] fire hoses or whatever, to keep people from crossing at the border," Goodale said in an interview with Evan Solomon, host of CTV's Question Period.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics.....-1.3320517


Its interesting that the Minister of Public Safety doesn't see this as an issue.
Is the alternative to simply not enforce the border?

While I am sure the majority if people crossing in this manner are fine folks, but we do have a process for immigration in this country for a reason.



Goodale is starting to look like a fool over this issue , we clearly have a problem at the border if people are crossing it and doing so illegally . what country would want people to enter illegally and have no control over who these people were or why they were coming ?

I don't know of a country in the world that actually wants people to enter illegally and simply cross thru wherever they want without proper paper work or visa background checks , except maybe Canada ?


Goodale is looking more and more like retirement should be the next stage of his political career
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 14, 2017 2:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They seem to be lampooning the obvious reaction most people have, all the better to attract immigrant votes. Will it work? I am not so sure, particularly when the economy goes south. There are enuff Moslems who aren't keen on Sharia, and all of that stuff, that people might be surprised.

If you recall, the shameless McGuinty gang tried to bring Sharia to Ontario, as part of their policy of pandering to Moslems ... but what do you know? Enough Moslem women came forward to publicly oppose the move, that the benefits of the pandering seemed to disappear. After all, it's not easy to pander to Moslems and feminists at the same time. McGoof dropped the idea just like he dropped the idea of putting a power generating station in Oakville.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 14, 2017 11:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If you recall, the shameless McGuinty gang tried to bring Sharia to Ontario,.

Well not quite and you know it.

It was for family disputes only and matched up what was already in place for Jewish disputes and other religious based disputes..

Afterall, the family disputes section had been in place since 1991.
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Bugs wrote:


If you recall, the shameless McGuinty gang tried to bring Sharia to Ontario,.

Well not quite and you know it.

It was for family disputes only and matched up what was already in place for Jewish disputes and other religious based disputes..

Afterall, the family disputes section had been in place since 1991.


It was the camels nose in the tent, and you know it. The relevant point, which you seem to habitually miss, is that Moslem women rose up and the plan was dropped ... sort of like the sex-education package that the openly lesbian premier has imposed on the province. You know, using legislation to make gender a matter of choice and all that stuff ... even McGof knew better than that.

By the way, people can agree to their own separation terms without a settlement being imposed. You don't have to be Jewish, and you know it.
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It was the camels nose in the tent, and you know it.

Of course there was no concern from you when it was Christian based family matters or Jewish family matters dispute resolutions ...but oh man those Moslems (sic) is such a worry.
Nothing like being transparent, for which I thank you.
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The relevant point, which you seem to habitually miss, is that Moslem women rose up and the plan was dropped

Not at all, I am quite happy that all faith based resolutions are gone. See....didnt matter to me who's religion got gored on this.
You? Not so much.
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... sort of like the sex-education package that the openly lesbian premier has imposed on the province. You know, using legislation to make gender a matter of choice and all that stuff ... even McGof knew better than that.

Still lacking any understanding of the sex-ed thing I see?
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By the way, people can agree to their own separation terms without a settlement being imposed. You don't have to be Jewish, and you know it.
Read after re-read and I still dont know what you are saying here.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2017 4:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

On TCs various points...

Yes, Jewish groups haven't threatened Canadians with beheadings for failing to convert to the Jewish faith. To me, it makes a difference.

TC is trying to paint me as a religious bigot. It's the same old shit the left pulls when they want to shut people up.

It also makes a difference, at least to me, that Moslems do not believe in tolerance or democracy, as well as many other core values of our society.

But if he can explain, rather than get snotty, about the value of the new sexual education curriculum, I would be pleased. Particularly how a sex education course can alleviate that problem. What if this is just a social delusion, or a fad?

I hope he can educate us all, with particular emphasis on why cis-gendered people should give a shit.

Maybe an enriched math program would be money better spent.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2017 12:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bugs wrote:
On TCs various points...

Yes, Jewish groups haven't threatened Canadians with beheadings for failing to convert to the Jewish faith. To me, it makes a difference.

Neither have Muslims.
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TC is trying to paint me as a religious bigot. It's the same old shit the left pulls when they want to shut people up.

Judge ye by the words said. You ARE ok with Jewish and other religious family matter dispute resolutions yet not with Muslims. What is one to conclude?
And knowing full well that anyone entering into a religious family matters court is there by choice, that no CC issues can be discussed ...what is the concern. But yes, I want them gone as all of them should not exist.
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It also makes a difference, at least to me, that Moslems do not believe in tolerance or democracy, as well as many other core values of our society.

As evidenced by the overwhelming majority of all Muslims in Canada do believe in tolerance, democracy and share a good number of values as the rest of the citizens ....it cannot make a difference unless one has a bigoted view of them.

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But if he can explain, rather than get snotty, about the value of the new sexual education curriculum, I would be pleased. Particularly how a sex education course can alleviate that problem. What if this is just a social delusion, or a fad?

Fair enough. What problem are you eluding to?
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I hope he can educate us all,

I do not need to. Judging by the backup you get on this issue I would suggest no one else here is in need of the education , except as determined by yourself...you need it.
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Maybe an enriched math program would be money better spent.
Perhaps.

But considering we rank fourth in the world I would suggest we not worry too much about it but strive to do even better.
{quote]Canadian 15-year-olds are among the best in the world in science and science-based technology, according to a new report from the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD).

Canada ranked fourth among OECD countries, tied with Finland and surpassed only by Singapore, Japan and Estonia, according to the report involving 540,000 students from around the world. Among all participating countries and economies, Canada ranked fourth.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/technol.....-1.3883341 [/quote]
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I saw a poll recently that said 74% of Canadians agreed with screening Moslems to see if they were tolerant of Canadian values. Anyone blind to the threat that large migrations of Moslems pose is simply too absurd to argue with.

If Moslem women are against Sharia in Canada, why can't I?

And, by the way, how does TC know that the majority of Moslems appreciate democracy and are tolerant of other views? He doesn't. It's left wing bullshit, the kind of rhetoric that makes cis-gendered Canadians the least tolerant compared to any group the are matched with. It's just stupid.

But it's the 2% that we are worried about, isn't it? Why should Canadians take that
risk when we can gets lots of more qualified immigrants from Germany and other places that have opened their gates to Moslems?

As for what is happening to 'numeracy' -- it is worse than what has happened to spelling, after a century of government education. Math standards in the public schools in 1900 were higher than they are today.

Now, we de-emphasize math because it makes girls feel inferior. The guy just parrots propaganda.
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