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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2017 9:47 am    Post subject: Terrorists trying to sneak into Canada ? Reply with quote

( a very interesting article was published in yesterdays Sun , it didn't generate a lot of press but it is worth a read , for all the hysteria about trump's 90 day ban of some middle eastern countries its worth noting that just over 300 people were denied entry into Canada for terrorism related reasons in 2016 alone and over 1 million visa applications were rejected many for people not being truthful )



MALCOLM: Terrorists are trying to sneak into Canada


Candice Malcolm, Special to Postmedia Network
Feb 3, 2017
, Last Updated: 3:08 PM ET


More than 300 foreign terrorists, spies and criminals who pose a risk to Canada’s national security tried to sneak into Canada last year, according to a report quietly released by the federal government on Monday.

It outlines all visa applications rejected between November 2015 and December 2016, and the grounds for refusal.

There were 310 cases where an individual was found inadmissible under Section 34 of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act (IRPA) — the section dealing with national security concerns.

Among these 310 were seven individuals rejected for “engaging in terrorism,” nine for “engaging in an act of espionage or subversion,” and 13 for “subversion by force” against any government.

Another 79 were found to be a member of an organization that engages in terrorism or espionage, 26 to be a “danger to the security of Canada,” and 48 were stopped for having committed a war crime or crimes against humanity.


In total, there were 1.4 million visa applications rejected by the Canadian government. The most common reason was that a person was not truthful in the information they supplied.

The immigration report was released in response to an Order Paper question tabled by Conservative MP Tom Kmiec, and was exclusively given to the Toronto Sun by the True North Initiative, a Canadian think tank focused on immigration and security reform.

The report does not reveal the country of origin or nationality of those rejected, so it is unknown where the 310 individuals rejected on terrorism and national security grounds came from.

Obviously, the report only outlines instances where the government was successful in stopping an individual with security red flags from entering Canada.

It is therefore unknown how many individuals were able to thwart Canada’s screening and vetting system, and enter the country undetected.

Canadian security officials have repeatedly warned the federal government about its security screening.

In 2011, the federal government was forced to release a “Most Wanted List” after it was discovered that at least 30 war criminals and terrorists were on the loose in Canada.

This new report, showing that Canada continues to be a destination for terrorists and war criminals, was released just days after U.S. President Donald Trump issued a sweeping executive order on immigration security.

Among other directives, Trump ordered the U.S. government to stop processing all refugee applications and to block for three months all immigration and visitor visas from seven countries struggling with large Islamist terrorist insurgencies.

Trump also ordered an overhaul of the security and vetting process, in order to stop the flow of terrorists entering the United States.

The Canadian report suggests Canada is also dealing with a large, possibly coordinated effort by terrorist organizations to enter our country.

Security experts have long warned that Islamist groups see Canada as a soft target, and view our immigration process as a source of weakness.

A 2014 report from the Washington D.C.-based Center for a Secure Free Society noted that, “known state sponsors of terrorism, namely Iran and Syria, along with terror-proxies like Lebanese Hezbollah, are ... exploit(ing) the weaknesses within the refugee and migration process in Canada.”

That report highlighted 19 Iranian nationals who made refugee claims in Canada between 2008 and 2013, but were rejected on national security grounds.

We have long been aware that terrorists and serious criminals attempt to manipulate our immigration and refugee system in Canada. We now have a better idea of the scale of this threat.

http://cnews.canoe.com/CNEWS/C.....01542.html
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2017 8:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're right to bring the article to a wider audience, RCO, thanks.

Maybe it's just the way my mind works, but as I muse on this, it is worth noting that the group that were excluded were hard-core perps, with records. First, officials caught 300, but its probably unreasonable to expect them to catch every such case.

If the 300 was the result of a 90% success rated system, it would mean another 33 got through. And it really isn't fair to expect much better than that, in real life. Let's hope the ones who made it are genuinely making a new life, etc. But if we were to be faced with a determined and well-resourced foe, that could be a problem. It means they could trickle through two or three recruits a month, and certainly do a lot of damage and create a lot of terror. They could probably recruit a certain amount of local support, and build up a small cadre of skilled explosive experts to set things up, and be gone by the time those explosives go off. The mind wanders into Tom Clancy scenarios.

Do you avoid these possibilities by being inclusive? Or by being tough? Are these the inevitable consequences of running an extensive welfare state? Who really knows? But these are the big questions that are on the world agenda.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2017 9:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

it is a very interesting article , the people pushing for more open immigration or virtually no borders seem to have forgot that there are bad people trying to get in and who like to exploit the easy targets

sure its true most of the refugees and immigrants are legitimate and come in with good intentions there is always those bad apples , the 300 or so rejected for terror related reasons , what if they had made it into Canada , we would be a much unsafe country


lost in the hysteria surrounding trumps travel restrictions for the middle east , are the very real concerns that there are bad people in those countries we don't want or need in north America , who should be rejected entry into north America for good reasons
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2017 12:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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lost in the hysteria surrounding trumps travel restrictions for the middle east , are the very real concerns that there are bad people in those countries we don't want or need in north America , who should be rejected entry into north America for good reasons


I dont think thats quite right at all.

Only Trump and his sycophants and his puppet master (Bannon) want to believe that.

They know it not to be true. Other wise they would have Saudi Arabia on the list.....guess who has business ties in SA?

Trumps travel restriction was done for optics only, play to the dumbest of the base. (not you)
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2017 12:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Toronto Centre wrote:
RCO wrote:


lost in the hysteria surrounding trumps travel restrictions for the middle east , are the very real concerns that there are bad people in those countries we don't want or need in north America , who should be rejected entry into north America for good reasons


I dont think thats quite right at all.

Only Trump and his sycophants and his puppet master (Bannon) want to believe that.

They know it not to be true. Other wise they would have Saudi Arabia on the list.....guess who has business ties in SA?

Trumps travel restriction was done for optics only, play to the dumbest of the base. (not you)



my point had more to do with the fact there are people denied entry into Canada and the USA everyday for various reasons ( which is what the original article tries to highlight ) , there are also people who pose a legitimate security concern and they are denied entry

I don't think there is much doubt the 7 countires on trumps list all have serious safety concerns and active terrorist organizations , I personally wondered why Afghanistan wasn't on the list ? it seems to be fairly dangerous and often home to terrorists
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2017 1:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3YCw8oVYAEa_Fq.jpg

If this is true....
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2017 3:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Toronto Centre wrote:
RCO wrote:


lost in the hysteria surrounding trumps travel restrictions for the middle east , are the very real concerns that there are bad people in those countries we don't want or need in north America , who should be rejected entry into north America for good reasons


I dont think thats quite right at all.

Only Trump and his sycophants and his puppet master (Bannon) want to believe that.

They know it not to be true. Other wise they would have Saudi Arabia on the list.....guess who has business ties in SA?

Trumps travel restriction was done for optics only, play to the dumbest of the base. (not you)


More trash-talk from TC. It would be interesting if there was some known factual basis for these statements. As a personal red line, I hold to the idea that anyone who says that Bannon is Trump's "puppet master" is clearly out there with the worst of Democratic Party propagandists.

They are clearly engaged in mischaracterizing Trump as a racist, etc -- all the bad names that the left uses whenever confronted with hostile realities.

For the record. Obama ordered a similar 'pause' in immigration from Iraq, and if Obama did it, it must be OK, no? Of course, Obama was ACORN's puppet on that basis.

And as for Trump -- who took on the leadership of the Republican party, and beat them against every bit of advice his party's advisors gave him -- isn't likely to be anyone's puppet. He is attempting a 180 degree change of direction, and is giving voice to all the things that have been stifled by 'political correctness'.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2017 4:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bugs wrote:

More trash-talk from TC. It would be interesting if there was some known factual basis for these statements.


Actually theres lots.

But it would require to be able to read, which I think is in doubt. (see how two can play that 'attack the person not the message game?)

Anyhow, even you know the 7 nations listed on the ban did NOT include SA , so now are you too promoting alternative facts ? I hope not.
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As a personal red line, I hold to the idea that anyone who says that Bannon is Trump's "puppet master" is clearly out there with the worst of Democratic Party propagandists.

You could think that I suppose, but most centre thinkers now there is a problem wiht Bannon at the helm....er right hand of Trump.
Who is the idiot who put Bannon in the chair at the NSC? Trump? Nope...he had no idea what was happening.
Bannon knew and Bannon got himself in place.

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For the record. Obama ordered a similar 'pause' in immigration from Iraq, and if Obama did it, it must be OK, no? Of course, Obama was ACORN's puppet on that basis.

Nice try. Alternative fact again huh?

Lets see...
1) Much narrower focus- 1 country, only refugees vs 130M people and includes travellers
2)Not a ban-refugees still came but w more inspection vs....a ban.
3)Specific threat (Kentucky Iraqi's) heralded the dictum vs dictum came from nowhere
4)Orderly plan, vetted by many levels of govt w input from all, vs ...hey lets do this!

Can you think of any reason....any at all why the ban was released on a Friday night after sundown?

Could there be a reason why Trumps most trusted adviser was out of the loop on this one?
Any reason at all?

Please, no alternative facts. Its getting tiresome over the years.
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