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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 10:19 am    Post subject: Liberal mp's want to bring per vote subsidies back Reply with quote

( there is talk in this hill times article that some liberal mp's want to bring the per vote subside back )


Liberal MPs want per-vote subsidies for political parties back


Taxpayer-funded subsidies for parties would eliminate the perception that money can influence public policy, says Liberal MP Alexandra Mendès.


The Hill Times photograph by Sam Garcia


By ABBAS RANA


PUBLISHED : Monday, Dec. 5, 2016 12:00 AM



PARLIAMENT HILL—Some Liberal MPs are talking about bringing per-vote subsidies back for federal political parties, but deny this has come up because of the negative headlines or opposition criticism regarding the party’s fundraising events.

“The general consensus is that it would be one way of avoiding the misconception that you have to sell your soul for fundraising,” said Liberal MP Alexandra Mendès (Brossard-Saint-Lambert, Que.), in an interview with The Hill Times. “[The per-vote subsidy] is perhaps the fairest and the most legitimate way of supporting political parties.”

A former president of the Liberal Party of Canada in Quebec, Ms. Mendès was first elected in the 2008 federal election, lost her seat in 2011, but was elected again in last year’s general election. She said that Liberal MPs have been discussing the subject of bringing back per-vote subsidies informally with each other and predicted that soon this conversation will take place in the national Liberal caucus. Her main argument for reinstating subsidies is to eliminate the perception that money can influence party policies.

When asked about critics who say these discussions around vote subsidies are about trying to deflect controversy over the so-called “cash for access” events Liberals have been in the news for, Ms. Mendès said: “They can conjecturize all they want, but for me that’s not the reason. If they see it that way, it’s their right.”


Rookie Liberal MP Robert Falcon-Ouellette (Winnipeg Centre, Man.) in an interview said he supports the idea of bringing back per-vote subsidies. He said Canadians should have total confidence that their representatives will not favour an individual or any specific group on public policy issues because they’ve donated money to a party. For that, he said per-vote subsidies could be an effective tool.

“We need to have a way of ensuring that people, when they look upon a politician, that they feel comfortable and they know that the politician is working for them, not for someone else,” said Mr. Ouellette. “I don’t know if we can get rid of political donations altogether, but at the end of the day, some form of public subsidy should occur and it’s a good idea.”

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Rookie Liberal MP Robert-Falcon Ouellette wants the per-vote subsidies reinstated. He said Canadians should have confidence that federal lawmakers will not favour an individual or a group because they donated money to a political party. The Hill Times photograph by Sam Garcia

Former Liberal prime minister Jean Chrétien first introduced per vote subsidies in 2003. This measure was undertaken as part of his sweeping political financing reforms, which among other initiatives banned corporations and unions from making any political donations to federal political parties. The individual donation limit was also restricted at $5,000. To make up for the lost income as a result of these changes, the Chrétien government announced that any party that receives two per cent of the vote nationally, or five per cent in the ridings where the party ran candidates, would receive a subsidy on a quarterly basis based on the number of votes each party won in the preceding election.

The federal parties started to receive these subsidies on a quarterly basis in 2004. At the time, for every vote a political party won in an election, it received $1.75, but was to be adjusted for inflation each subsequent year. After winning a majority government in the 2011 federal election, former prime minister Stephen Harper introduced legislation to phase out the per-vote subsidies, arguing that taxpayers should not have to financially support political parties’ they don’t vote for. At that time, political parties were receiving $2 per vote. The federal parties received their last quarterly allowance in April 2015.


Between 2004 and 2015, the five major political parties received a total of $289.9-million, or an average of $26.4-million a year, according to Elections Canada. Of the total amount, the Conservatives received 37 per cent or $107-million, the Liberals 29 per cent or $84-million, the NDP 20 per cent or $58-million, the Bloc Québécois 10 per cent or $29-million, and the Green Party five per cent or $14-million. Elections Canada paid these subsidies to political parties and later the parties shared this with their MPs and candidates.

In recent weeks, the Liberal Party has been criticized by the opposition parties about their fundraising work. The most recently reported event was a fundraiser in Toronto that happened on April 28. The Globe and Mail wrote that two members of the Cannabis Friendly Business Association (CFBA) went to a $150-per-ticket event where Liberal MP Bill Blair (Scarborough Southwest, Ont.), the prime minister’s point man on recreational pot legalization file, was the chief guest. Mr. Blair is the parliamentary secretary to Justice Minister Jody Wilson-Raybould (Vancouver Granville, B.C.). The fundraiser took place at a Toronto law firm that advises clients in the cannabis business. A Liberal Party spokesman, in an interview with the Globe, denied any ethical wrongdoing but said the party would refund donations from representatives of the Cannabis Friendly Business Association.

Before this news report, The Globe and Mail also reported a $1,500-per-person fundraiser where Prime Minister Justin Trudeau (Papineau, Que.) was the featured guest. The fundraiser took place in May and was attended by wealthy Chinese and Chinese-Canadian businessmen. One guest at the event, Shenglin Xian, was awaiting for a decision from federal bank regulators to start a new bank, which he received a few months later. Another guest at the event, Zhang Bin, a Chinese-Canadian billionaire, did not donate any money to the Liberal Party but gave a gift of $750,000 to the Université de Montreal law faculty and $200,000 to the Pierre Elliott Trudeau Foundation. He also donated $50,000 to pay for the statute of Pierre Elliott Trudeau, the former prime minister and late father of the current one.

The Globe and Mail has also reported a number of other fundraisers that were attended by senior cabinet ministers.


In criticizing the Liberal Party’s fundraising events, critics point to Mr. Trudeau’s own guidelines that he issued after becoming prime minister. One of the principles mentioned in the “Open and Accountable Government” document released by the prime minister in November 2015 states: “Ministers and Parliamentary Secretaries must ensure that political fundraising activities or considerations do not affect, or appear to affect, the exercise of their official duties or the access of individuals or organizations to government.” In outlining the next principle in the same document, Mr. Trudeau said: “There should be no preferential access to government, or appearance of preferential access, accorded to individuals or organizations because they have made financial contributions to politicians and political parties.”

Meanwhile, Ms. Mendès insisted that the federal Liberal Party did not break any rules in any of the fundraisers and are following the law. She dismissed criticism that attendees at these Liberal fundraisers are gaining preferential access.

“We’re doing what the rules permitted us to do,” she said. “As the prime minister said, I don’t know who will be bought by $1,500. I really don’t know.”

Liberal MP Bill Casey (Cumberland-Colchester, N.S.) told The Hill Times that he is in support of reinstating the per-vote subsidy. He said if the government brought this measure back, it would help MPs focus more on the parliamentary and policy work and would reduce the pressure of raising funds for the next election. Also, it would eliminate the perception that money influences politics.

“I prefer it for a whole lot of reasons. For one thing, raising money takes time and you don’t want to put yourself in a position where there’s a perceived obligation or anything,” said Mr. Casey. “So, it’s just better.”

Mr. Casey said that only opposition parties and the media are talking about the cash-for-access controversy and he has not heard about it from any of his constituents. He said this controversy has nothing to do with his position on per-vote subsidies.

“I haven’t heard one word about contributions. I just was home all weekend and I didn’t hear a word about it,” he said last week.

Rookie Liberal MP Marc Miller (Ville-Marie-Le Sud-Ouest-Île-des-Soeurs, Que.) told The Hill Times that bringing back per-vote subsidies is currently not on the government agenda, but he’s in favour of this idea. “There’s some attractiveness to it. It’s worth examining,” said Mr. Miller.

Conservative MP Tom Lukiwski (Moose Jaw-Lake Centre-Lanigan, Sask.) said he has mixed feelings about it. He said if the government chooses to pursue this idea, his support would depend on the details in the proposal. “The devil is always in the details,” said Mr. Lukiwski.

Conservative MP Larry Miller (Bruce-Grey–Owen Sound, Ont.) also said he would be able to offer an opinion after taking a look at what the government is proposing. However, he said the current laws in place that bar businesses from making any donations to parties should be repealed and they should be allowed to donate the same amount that an individual can.

NDP MP Irene Mathyssen (London-Fanshawe, Ont.) said she’s in favour of reinstating subsidies to eliminate the perception that money can affect national public policies. Also, she said it would provide resources to all parties to run a competitive campaign.

MPs of all parties said that one of the toughest parts of their job is raising funds to ensure they have adequate resources for election campaigns.

“It is always a struggle,” said Mr. Lukiwski. “There’s only a finite number of donors who’ll give money to any political party, and even a less amount of people will give to the Conservatives or the Liberals or the Bloc. It’s a challenge. It’s always been difficult.”

http://www.hilltimes.com/2016/.....back/89818
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 10:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We already have a contribution limit on Donations, as such I am not quite sure where this perception is that private money buys influence comes from?

Unless of course the Liberal MPs are referring to this;

http://www.theglobeandmail.com.....e32971362/

http://www.theglobeandmail.com.....e33084843/

http://www.macleans.ca/politic.....undraiser/

Which I highly Doubt.

Politicians use their public office to fundraiser enough as it is;
Giving them a per vote subsidy was a bad idea originally and a bad idea this time around.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 12:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Like Proportional Representation, this is another step that insulates the politicians from the periodic wrath of the people.

In my mind, the public broadcaster should be required to provide the political competition a platform where they face off against each other. This is way better than giving them $millions to spend on deceiving us.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 27, 2016 9:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most opposition parties favour a return to per-vote subsidy amid cash-for-access controversy


Gloria Galloway


OTTAWA — The Globe and Mail


Published Tuesday, Dec. 27, 2016 5:00AM EST


Three out of four opposition parties in the House of Commons say they favour a return to a per-vote subsidy amid recent controversy over Liberal cash-for-access fundraising events.

The Conservatives, who killed the government-funded subsidy when they were in power, do not want to see its return. But the New Democrats, the Bloc Québécois and the Greens all argue that it was an equitable and ethical mechanism for ensuring that political parties have the money they need to conduct research, to communicate with potential voters and to pay for election campaigns.

“They should absolutely bring it back. It was the fairest of all the ways in which political parties received public support,” Green Party Leader Elizabeth May said. It was funding that was not tied to political interests, she said, and “the more public funding you have, the less you should have any excuse at all for fundraising at, for instance, cash-for-access events.”

Justin Trudeau has been under fire in the Commons for weeks over Liberal Party soirées with well-heeled donors, including wealthy Chinese investors, who pay up to $1,500 a ticket (approximately the maximum that a person can legally contribute to a political party in Canada in a calendar year) for access to the Prime Minister and senior members of cabinet.

Maryam Monsef, the Minister of Democratic Institutions, did not return requests for comment about any interest there might be in reinstating the subsidy that was introduced in 2004 by former Liberal prime minister Jean Chrétien after he banned political donations from corporations and unions. Ranging from $1.75 to $2 a vote, it paid out a combined total of just under $30-million to the five largest federal parties in 2011, the year before it was gradually reduced and then eliminated.

Its loss means all parties have had to turn their fundraising machines to high gear.

The Conservatives, and more recently the Liberals, have been relatively efficient at bringing in significant cash from individual donors. Parties that are neither in government nor poised to win the next election have had less success.

“It’s easy to raise money when you are in power,” said Louis Plamondon, the chair of the Bloc, whose caucus has introduced a bill to restore an annual per-vote subsidy of $1.50 and cut the maximum individual political contribution to $500 a year.

“That would eliminate the $1,500 cocktails,” Mr. Plamondon said. “I have told Liberal MPs if you want to stop these scandals, return to the Chrétien law.”

The Bloc MP pointed out that political donors are anticipated to receive about $30-million in tax credits in 2017. People who donate up to $400 are given 75 per cent of that money back as a credit, with the amount gradually declining as the donation approaches the annual maximum.

Mr. Plamondon argues that the federal money used to pay for the subsidy could be recouped, in part, by paying out less in tax credits.

Robert Fox, the national director of the New Democrats, says his party would also welcome the return of the per-vote subsidy.

“What we see is that the pressure on political parties to raise funding in the absence of a per-vote subsidy further distorts our relationship with our members, the public and other actors,” said Mr. Fox.

The Conservatives, meanwhile, stand by their decision to eliminate the subsidy despite the cash-for-access fundraising techniques being employed by their successors.

Cash-for-access “could be stopped by simply following the Prime Minister’s own ethical guidelines. So that’s where we should be going,” said Scott Reid, the Tory critic for Democratic Institutions.

The per-vote subsidy is problematic for a number of reasons, said Mr. Reid.

First, he said, it directs money to the party that Canadians supported in the most recent election, but voters can change their minds between trips to the polls. To say someone must continue subsidizing a party they no longer support “just doesn’t make sense,” said Mr. Reid, “whereas having the money follow where you are giving your donation currently seems reasonable to me.”

Second, he said, the subsidy favours the party in power. “You are always giving more money to an incumbent party, it’s unavoidable, under a per-vote subsidy,” said Mr. Reid. “That increases their chance of winning the next election and indeed winning and getting a larger percentage of the vote than they did the time before.”

And finally, he said, the per-vote subsidy costs a lot of money.

But Jean-Pierre Kingsley, the former chief electoral officer, said he has always argued that the subsidy should be maintained.

It provides political parties with a steady source of revenue in between elections that allows them to do a better job of analyzing policy, said Mr. Kingsley.

In addition, he said, it gives funding to parties that appeal to less-well-off Canadians. “We know very well that the disadvantaged don’t show up at the polls,” said Mr. Kingsley, “and they certainly don’t have any money to give to political parties and we need to have people intercede on their behalf, beyond what the more mainstream parties may wish.”

Canadians have said they want party financing controlled by political standards, said Mr. Kingsley, “and by reintroducing the per-vote subsidy, one could be achieving that.”

http://www.theglobeandmail.com.....e33436144/
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