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PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2016 11:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I still don't see a path to Victory for Donald Trump at this point;
That aside, the more interesting thing to watch tomorrow will be if the GOP retains the Senate.

I still don't see trump being out of it , despite the new polls released today by the mainstream media showing Clinton ahead nationally by a few points


I think Clinton will be crowned the winner as soon as the West Coast closes and she formally wins California, however if when the first polls close Trump is ahead in both North Carolina and Florida there may be an opportunity.

He loses both, short of a total anomaly elsewhere he is done.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2016 2:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trump needs so many toss up states to win that it seems very unlikely.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2016 2:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cosmostein wrote:
RCO wrote:
cosmostein wrote:
I still don't see a path to Victory for Donald Trump at this point;
That aside, the more interesting thing to watch tomorrow will be if the GOP retains the Senate.

I still don't see trump being out of it , despite the new polls released today by the mainstream media showing Clinton ahead nationally by a few points


I think Clinton will be crowned the winner as soon as the West Coast closes and she formally wins California, however if when the first polls close Trump is ahead in both North Carolina and Florida there may be an opportunity.

He loses both, short of a total anomaly elsewhere he is done.



oddly the real clear politics site hasn't updated there toss up states map , there leave 171 electoral votes as toss up , I don't know is the election still that close ? looking at that map Clinton could win in a landslide if she won a lot of the toss up's or trump could barely win if he won enough of them , it seems odd to me they aren't making predictions for some of them , Clinton has never lead in Georgia and trump has never lead in New Mexico , many other predictions also show Iowa and Arizona going for trump .
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2016 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

( if your wondering how late this night is going to go , they will know a little after 7pm and by 8pm a lot will have closed but a lot don't close till 9 pm and another few at 10 pm , some might also have to stay open a bit later if there is still people in line )

Poll closing times for each state on Election Day 2016

Rachel Cao | @rachelyicao
1 Hour Ago
CNBC.com


Whether you're wondering how long you may need to stay up for all the results to file in, or you're voting late in the evening, here are the official closing times and number of electoral votes for each state. Note that each of these times are reported by Eastern Standard (ET) Time.


7:00 PM Poll Closing Time

•Georgia (16 Electoral Votes)
•Indiana (11 Electoral Votes)
•Kentucky (8 Electoral Votes)
•South Carolina (9 Electoral Votes)
•Vermont (3 Electoral Votes)
•Virginia (13 Electoral Votes)


7:30 Poll Closing Time

•North Carolina (15 Electoral Votes)
•Ohio (18 Electoral Votes)
•West Virginia (5 Electoral Votes)



8:00 Poll Closing Time

•Alabama (9 Electoral Votes)
•Connecticut (7 Electoral Votes)
•Delaware (3 Electoral Votes)
•DC (3 Electoral Votes)
•Florida (29 Electoral Votes)
•Illinois (20 Electoral Votes)
•Maine (4 Electoral Votes)
•Maryland (10 Electoral Votes)
•Massachusetts (11 Electoral Votes)
•Mississippi (6 Electoral Votes)
•Missouri (10 Electoral Votes)
•New Hampshire (4 Electoral Votes)
•New Jersey (14 Electoral Votes)
•Oklahoma (7 Electoral Votes)
•Pennsylvania (20 Electoral Votes)
•Rhode Island (4 Electoral Votes)
•Tennessee (11 Electoral Votes)


8:30 PM Poll Closing Time

•Arkansas (6 Electoral Votes)


9:00 PM Poll Closing Time

•Arizona (11 Electoral Votes)
•Colorado (9 Electoral Votes)
•Kansas (6 Electoral Votes)
•Louisiana (8 Electoral Votes)
•Michigan (16 Electoral Votes)
•Minnesota (10 Electoral Votes)
•Nebraska (5 Electoral Votes)
•New Mexico (5Electoral Votes)
•New York (29 Electoral Votes)
•North Dakota (3 Electoral Votes)
•South Dakota (3 Electoral Votes)
•Texas (38 Electoral Votes)
•Wisconsin (10 Electoral Votes)
•Wyoming (3 Electoral Votes)


10:00 PM Poll Closing Time

•Iowa (6 Electoral Votes)
•Montana (3 Electoral Votes)
•Nevada (6 Electoral Votes)
•Utah (6 Electoral Votes)


11:00 PM Poll Closing Time

•California (55 Electoral Votes)
•Hawaii (4 Electoral Votes)
•Idaho (4 Electoral Votes)
•Oregon (7 Electoral Votes)
•Washington (12 Electoral Votes)


1:00 AM Poll Closing Time

•Alaska (3 Election Votes)


http://www.cnbc.com/2016/11/08.....-2016.html
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2016 10:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow!!!!

This may end up being an interesting night after all
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2016 9:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

well that was an interesting night , the state that surprised me the most was how easily Wisconsin went for trump , he hadn't even polled ahead there all election


there is going to be a lot of looking back on what trump did right and what Clinton did wrong .

its clear that white voters went for trump much more than expected and that allowed for trump to win places like Ohio and Iowa rather easily , he may also win Michigan although there still counting the votes

the democrat's agenda was clearly too focused on the urban demographic , you look at some of the states trump won and the only places that voted for Clinton was major cities , he won all the rural and suburban counties in many states , its not unheard of for the republicans to do well in the rural areas but this election he did even better than expected


it will also be interesting to see what Obama does with his final days , liberals in Washington assumed they had more time and Clinton was going to win to advance there agenda , now they only have 2 months ? ( as the senate and house went republican they have no way to block the trump agenda )
will he try and fill the vacant supreme court seat ? will he try to bring in executive orders on issues he wants to advance ? or will he simply admit his time is up and leave quietly
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2016 10:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's democracy for you. Like it or not, the voters have spoken. What a lot of them said was, "I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it any more."
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2016 10:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was certainly no Trump fan during the lead-up to last night;

However Van Jones reminded me exactly why the Democrats are so utterly out of touch with reality with the "Whitelash" comment.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/09/.....ent-cnntv/

The same voters who carried Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Ohio for the Democrats in 2008 and 2012 are now suddenly racists because they didn't vote for a wealthy white woman from New York who refereed to the portion of the country who builds their goods and fight their wars as a basket of deplorables.

Its the typical;
"We are not the problem, you are just not smart enough to realize it" non-sense.
The loss is on the party yet they will take no lessons away from it.

The American people have been sending a message to the Democrats since 2010;
One of the largest swings in House history costing the Democrats the House and they didn't for a moment stop to consider why;

2012 they won re-election to the White House and didn't lose their Senate Majority and took nothing away from the fact that they very well nearly did, rather than perhaps taking a moment to ponder the popularity of the Tea Party movement instead they seemingly just relished a divided right.

In 2014 we saw one of the largest single gains in midterm election history with the GOP adding nine Senate seats and gaining the Senate to go along with the House.

And yet again nothing not attempt to change course or at least consider the fact that clearly the electorate was again sending a message.

All that is needed to ice this cake of disconnect is discussion of a Clinton 2020 run.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2016 11:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

some of the comments made on CNN last night were ridiculous


democrats and liberals weren't expecting to lose last night even though polls for all most all the swing states were showing very close races , for some reason they all assumed they would win cause the national polls had Clinton ahead ? so this loss seems to be hitting them extra hard

I agree that they ignored years of warning signs that voters especially those outside or major cities disliked a lot of there agenda and policy , there was no interest in Clinton's plan to bring Syrian refugees to the usa in middle America , there was not a lot of interest in gun control either even though Obama talked about it a lot, the way Obama used the supreme court to ram thru gay marriage and other liberal policy also left many unhappy , his healthcare plan and its cost is clearly also a major issue for some people , there just seemed to be a disconnect in terms of there agenda and what people in middle America actually wanted

there is many big unanswered questions for the democrats , who will lead them ? Obama is leaving , Clinton lost and doesn't have a senate seat anymore , Bernie sanders is somewhat of an outsider and technically sits as an independent and too old to be the future leader . house dem leader Nancy Pelosi has been around for way too long and clearly hated by many voters

so who else is there ? I don't know but someone else is going to have to emerge to lead them for the time being
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2016 12:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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his healthcare plan and its cost is clearly also a major issue for some people , there just seemed to be a disconnect in terms of there agenda and what people in middle America actually wanted


You make an excellent point.

I don't think that most pundits realize the potential damage of the Affordable Care Act on Clinton's prospects of being elected;

Aside from the fact that premiums are up, you effectively forced the working poor to pony up for health insurance or be fined come tax time. As 2015 was effectively the first tax year this really hit home I suspect there was certainly some fallout.

RCO wrote:
there is many big unanswered questions for the democrats , who will lead them ? Obama is leaving , Clinton lost and doesn't have a senate seat anymore , Bernie sanders is somewhat of an outsider and technically sits as an independent and too old to be the future leader . house dem leader Nancy Pelosi has been around for way too long and clearly hated by many voters

so who else is there ? I don't know but someone else is going to have to emerge to lead them for the time being


The Democrats have a fair bit of potential depth;
Andrew Cuomo, Sherrod Brown, Kirsten Gillibrand, Russ Feingold, Kamala Harris, Amy Klobuchar, Cory Booker, heck any number of current or past Governors could potentially lead down the line or step up now.

You even have Elizabeth Warren right there to pick up the Bernie Sanders mantle.

The problem is that I don't see a situation where there isn't at least a discussion about Hillary Clinton running in 2020 and that effectively blocks any up and comer from bothering to run.

The Democrats would be best suited replacing Nancy Pelosi with an up and comer immediately simply to build profile and change the direction and making sure that Harry Reid isn't replaced by someone over 70.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2016 12:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

there is also lessons for the republicans here , they need to realise they have time but not forever to bring forward an agenda and policy that the working class finds appealing . if you look back at other elections it wasn't too far down the road that other parties came back .
look at Obama , he won massively in 2008 but by 2010 midterms republicans came back and won massively . same in Canada , conservatives won a majority in 2011 only to see liberals find a personally popular leader and lose power by 2015 .

the lesson is they have time but this is not going to be what Washington is like forever

many of the people who voted for trump are expecting to see real change within the immediate future

there is also bound to be many challenges , the media is going to be harsh and tough on trump at some point ( just like they went after Rob Ford and Harper ) , there is going to be left wing protesters like we have seen target every other right of centre government ( the left love to protest ) , there is going to be major challenges down the road for sure


as for the democrats potential leaders , I would really hope Hilary doesn't run again , at this point she needs to realise its not going to be happening .

I also forgot to mention Joe Biden , he might emerge as a leader , although he no longer has a senate seat in Washington
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2016 2:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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the lesson is they have time but this is not going to be what Washington is like forever

many of the people who voted for trump are expecting to see real change within the immediate future


Agreed.

If the President-elect wants to make an impact the reality is there are no excuses;
His party controls both houses and I would imagine he will win a lot of goodwill with a quick SC appointment to fill Justice Scalia'a seat with a Conservative in their 50s.

It gives him the means to move forward an agenda, its just a matter of what he moves forward.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2016 8:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

( has the political left in the US lost there minds ? come on protesting the democratic results on an election , this is unheard of in the US and totally ridiculous but not entirely shocking and it won't accompolish much either )



Donald Trump's victory sets off protests across U.S.



Andrew Dalton, The Associated Press
Published Wednesday, November 9, 2016 2:46PM EST
Last Updated Thursday, November 10, 2016 6:11AM EST


LOS ANGELES -- A day after Donald Trump's election to the presidency, campaign divisions appeared to widen as many thousands of demonstrators -- some with signs with messages declaring "NOT MY PRESIDENT" -- flooded streets across the country to protest his surprise triumph.

From New England to heartland cities like Kansas City and along the West Coast, demonstrators bore flags and effigies of the president-elect, disrupting traffic and declaring that they refused to accept Trump's victory.

Flames lit up the night sky in California cities Wednesday as thousands of protesters burned a giant papier-mache Trump head in Los Angeles and started fires in Oakland intersections.

Los Angeles demonstrators also beat a Trump piñata and sprayed the Los Angeles Times building and news vans with anti-Trump profanity. One protester outside LA City Hall read a sign that simply said "this is very bad."

Late in the evening several hundred people blocked one of the city's busiest freeways, U.S. 101 between downtown and Hollywood.

In Oakland, several thousand people gathered in Frank Ogawa Palaza, police said, clogging intersections and freeway on-ramps.



In Chicago, where thousands had recently poured into the streets to celebrate the Chicago Cubs' first World Series victory in over a century, several thousand people marched through the Loop. They gathered outside Trump Tower, chanting "Not my president!"

Chicago resident Michael Burke said he believes the president-elect will "divide the country and stir up hatred." He added there was a constitutional duty not to accept that outcome.

A similar protest in Manhattan drew about 1,000 people. Outside Trump Tower on Fifth Avenue in midtown, police installed barricades to keep the demonstrators at bay.

Protesters march towards Trump Tower

Hundreds of protesters gathered near Philadelphia's City Hall despite chilly, wet weather. Participants -- who included both supporters of Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton and independent Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, who lost to Clinton in the primary -- expressed anger at both Republicans and Democrats over the election's outcome.

In Boston, thousands of anti-Trump protesters streamed through downtown, chanting "Trump's a racist" and carrying signs that said "Impeach Trump" and "Abolish Electoral College." Clinton appears to be on pace to win the popular vote, despite losing the electoral count that decides the presidential race.

The protesters gathered on Boston Common before marching toward the Massachusetts Statehouse, with beefed-up security including extra police officers.

A protest that began at the Minnesota State Capitol Tuesday night with about 100 people swelled at is moved into downtown St. Paul, the Minneapolis Star Tribune reported. Protesters blocked downtown streets and traveled west on University Avenue where they shouted expletives about Trump in English and Spanish.

There were other Midwest protest marches in Omaha, Nebraska, and Kansas City, Missouri.

Marchers protesting Trump's election chanted and carried signs in front of the Trump International Hotel in Washington, D.C.

Media outlets broadcast video Wednesday night showing a peaceful crowd in front of the new downtown hotel. Many chanted "No racist USA, no Trump, no KKK."

Another group stood outside the White House. They held candles, listened to speeches and sang songs.

Dallas activists gathered by the dozens outside the city's sports arena, the American Airlines Center.

In Oregon, dozens of people blocked traffic in downtown Portland, burned American flags and forced a delay for trains on two light-rail lines.

Hundreds massed in downtown Seattle streets.

Protesters march against Trump in Seattle

Many held anti-Trump and Black Lives Matter signs and chanted slogans, including "Misogyny has to go," and "The people united, will never be defeated."

Five people were shot and injured in an area near the protest, but police said the shootings and the demonstration were unrelated.

Back in New York, several groups of protesters caused massive gridlock as police mobilized to contain them under a light rain.

They held signs that read "Trump Makes America Hate" and chanted "hey, hey, ho, ho Donald Trump has got to go." and "Impeach Trump."

http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/do.....oPlay=true
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2016 1:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A list apparently has been "leaked" of some of the potential folks being consider for a Trump Cabinet;

The rest is in link below but the few of interest;

Quote:
Secretary of state Former House Speaker Gingrich, a leading Trump supporter, is a candidate for the job, as is Corker, current chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. The Tennessee senator has said he’d “strongly consider” serving as secretary of state.

Trump is also eyeing former U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations John Bolton.


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Attorney general

People close to Trump say former New York City Mayor Giuliani, one of Trump’s leading public defenders, is the leading candidate for attorney general. New Jersey Gov. Christie, another vocal Trump supporter and the head of the president-elect’s transition team, is also a contender for the job — though any role in the cabinet for Christie could be threatened by the Bridgegate scandal.

Another possibility: Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi, though the controversy over Trump’s donation to Bondi could undercut her nomination.



http://www.politico.com/story/.....net-231071
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2016 1:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RCO wrote:

LOS ANGELES -- A day after Donald Trump's election to the presidency, campaign divisions appeared to widen as many thousands of demonstrators -- some with signs with messages declaring "NOT MY PRESIDENT" -- flooded streets across the country to protest his surprise triumph.


Democracy is the best thing ever till that Democratic process results in you not getting what you wanted.
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