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PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2016 2:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

( also see that Doug Ford has been involved in the by-election and working hard for the pc's )

Can Ford nation be a force in the Scarborough-Rouge River byelection?

By Antonella Artuso, Queen's Park Bureau Chief
First posted: Saturday, August 20, 2016 02:33 PM EDT | Updated: Saturday, August 20, 2016 03:13 PM EDT

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Former city councillor Dog Ford is the campaign boss for the provincial campaign of Raymond Cho for the unannounced by-election in Scarborough and shown here with Patrick Brown (r) head of the Ontario PC party at Cho's HQ on Monday July 11, 2016. Michael Peake/Toronto Sun

TORONTO - Working to reignite Ford Nation in the Scarborough-Rouge River byelection, former Toronto councillor and mayoral candidate Doug Ford says he is a constant presence in the riding.

Campaigning on behalf of Ontario Progressive Conservative candidate Raymond Cho, Ford said he’s hard at work as the Sept. 1 vote looms.

“Every day I’m out there helping every way I can — door knocking, putting up signs, organizing volunteers, getting the vote out,” Ford told the Toronto Sun.

Scarborough voters have tended to embrace the Fords and their support for a subway — part of the so-called Ford Nation that brought his late brother Rob to the mayor’s office and backed Doug to a second-place finish behind Toronto Mayor John Tory during the last municipal election.

Scarborough residents are telling him at the door that they’re unhappy with high hydro rates and that they want the subway they were promised, Ford said.

“The only people that have really promoted Scarborough over the last five years is Rob Ford and Doug Ford,” he said. “Every second word out of our mouth is ‘Scarborough.’”

Asked about his own political plans, Ford said he’s ruled out a federal run.

“It’s either two things — I’m going to run for the provincial PC party in Etobicoke North or I’m going to run against John Tory,” he said.

As a start, Ford wants to paint Scarborough-Rouge River Tory blue.

A breakthrough in the 416 area code would put a shine on PC Leader Patrick Brown as the Ontario Legislature returns in the fall, while a loss would suggest there’s still significant work to do if the party is to have a chance at winning the next general election.

“It’s huge, it’s the biggest, massive,” Ford said. “He knows it. The Liberals know it. The people of Scarborough know it.”

Liberal candidate Piragal Thiru’s campaign declined an opportunity to comment on Ford’s involvement in the race, but issued a statement that said residents have shown enthusiasm for the Wynne government’s commitment to transit, health care and education.

“I’m having lots of discussions on doorsteps and at community events where the conversation frequently turns to free university tuition and full-day kindergarten,” he said.

Also in the race, triggered by the resignation in March of Liberal MPP Bas Balkissoon, is NDP candidate Neethan Shan.

Advance polling is underway in the riding from Aug. 17 to Aug. 26, 10 a.m. to 8 p.m.


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Eleven on the provincial byelection ballot in Scarborough-Rouge River

Scarborough-Rouge River byelection

Scarborough-Rouge River byelection

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There are 11 candidates on the ballot for the provincial byelection in Scarborough-Rouge River.

Scarborough Mirror

Eleven people will be on the ballot when voters in Scarborough-Rouge River select a new MPP on Sept. 1.

The most likely winners of the open seat are Progressive Conservative Raymond Cho, Liberal Piragal Thiru, or New Democrat Neethan Shan, but riding residents have other choices.

There’s Green Priyan De Silva, Freedom candidate Wayne Simmons, Dwight Mclean of the People’s Party and Libertarian Allen Small, who is also leader of Ontario’s Libertarians.

Also running are Ania Krosinska, a Playboy cover model running for the Trillium Party, Queenie Yu, an independent focusing on the province’s sex education lessons, and John Turmel, representing Ontario’s Pauper Party.

Voters in Scarborough-Rouge River can also select Above Znoneofthe (yes, that’s his legal name), running for the None of the Above Party.

All were nominated in time for the deadline set by Elections Ontario on Thursday, Aug. 18.

Cho is a city councillor for the eastern section of the riding. Shan is the area’s public school trustee.

Advance polls in the riding are open at Albert Campbell Collegiate Institute, Mary Shadd Public School, White Haven Junior Public School, Malvern Family Resource Centre and in the returning office at 10 Milner Business Court from 10 a.m. to 8 p.m. through Friday, Aug. 26. Polls will be open from 9 a.m. to 9 p.m. on Election Day.

The riding, stretching from west of Midland Avenue to the Pickering border north of Highway 401, has been vacant since MPP Bas Balkissoon resigned in March.


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Scarborough-Rouge River struggles with voter apathy as provincial riding byelection looms

Riding typically has one of the lowest turnout rates in Toronto

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Multiple homes on Sewells Road in the Morningside Heights area and on McLevin Avenue in Malvern display signs for all three candidates in the Sept. 1 Scarborough-Rouge River provincial byelection. Though voter turnout in the riding tends to be below Toronto’s average, support for New Democrat Neethan Shan, Progressive Conservative Raymond Cho and Liberal Piragal Thiru is highly visible in the area. Aug. 23, 2016.

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By Mike Adler

At a table in Malvern Town Centre’s food court, Edward Molai is explaining why he won’t vote.

He lives in a Neilson Road seniors building, he said, and if there’s no polling station there for the Sept. 1 byelection, residents won’t go any distance to reach one.

But Molai won’t take part in the vote to replace ex-MPP Bas Balkissoon because politicians aren’t worth his time.

“They don’t know anything. They’re only thinking of filling their own pocket,” he said on Tuesday, Aug. 23, adding he’ll vote when a party opens up Canada’s “hinterland” to create farms where people can grow crops for export.

There’s too many closed shops in the mall, and too much unemployment in the area, said Molai, who’s originally from Guyana.
“Fifty people are fighting for one job, and there’s no job.”

Scarborough-Rouge River is one of the most ethnically diverse ridings in Canada but its participation rate in elections is one Toronto’s lowest.

A byelection after a summer campaign may be no different: Teams of young canvassers are covering the riding - where residents of some homes appear to simultaneously support the Liberal, Progressive Conservative, and New Democratic candidates - but sign wars don’t translate here into votes.

In the 2014 provincial election, only 47.5 per cent of the riding's 88,600 electors cast a ballot. There was even less interest in 2011, when turnout was about 42.9 per cent.

Malvern Votes, a group which worked for years to increase residents’ interest in politics, has lost its funding.

At the next food court table Debbie Dunlop said she’s supporting Raymond Cho, a longtime local councillor running for the PCs.
Dunlop is on disability, a provincial system she said gives her $490 a month for rent and makes her feel like a number; for eight years, she’s been on the waiting list for subsidized housing she suspects she’ll never receive.

“I’ve lived in the shelters. They’re not equipped for people,” she added.

Dunlop knows party loyalty in the northeast Scarborough riding runs deep: her mom’s sticking with the Liberals, but her dad’s voting for Cho, because he knows him.

Dunlop said Liberal candidate Piragal Thiru shook her hand in a McDonald’s last week, but “I don’t know what he stands for. At least Raymond’s been around.”

Sijid Dinat, carrying bags of goods out of the mall says the area needs a subway, and he’s leaning towards the Liberals, “because they are working with (Toronto Mayor) John Tory on the subway plan.”

Yes, Cho’s been a councillor for 25 years, “but I don’t see much being done in 25 years,” said Dinat, who regards the NDP candidate Shan - who has stood in several local elections - as someone who “runs for everything out there.”

Not far away, though, Ray Dunavon, said he’s thinking of voting NDP. Shan “actually lives in the area,” he said, while other candidates do not.

Dunavon also wants a light-rail line built to the area. Why spend billions on a one-stop subway, he asked, “when you could put in an LRT and move people quickly?”

He also suggested the Liberals lacked “transparency” because when Balkissoon quit his post in March there was no explanation, and the party should have had one.

Dunlop and Dinat thought crime was a key issue in the riding, and in a plaza parking lot on McNicoll Avenue, a man named Andrew said security was more important to him than any subway-or-light-rail debate. “The reason is it has given us a pretty bad name a few years ago,” said the man, who added he was undecided but wouldn’t give a last name.

One woman said she was a riding voter, though she realized there was a byelection only once signs appeared. “I actually haven’t been keeping up with it, to be honest,” she said.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2016 12:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

( pretty strong turnout for the by-election , almost 4500 people already voted similar to actual election in 2014 , surprised its that high as by-election hasn't generated a lot of interest or press , )

Estimate of advance voter turnout for the Scarborough--Rouge River provincial by-election

TORONTO, Aug. 29, 2016 /CNW/ - Eligible voters in the Scarborough—Rouge River by-election were provided with more days and more ways to cast their ballots in advance of Election Day. Advance polling took place between Saturday August 20th, 2016 and Friday August 26th, 2016. Voters also had the opportunity to vote in person by special ballot at the local returning office, by home visit, or by mail.

As of Monday August 29, 2016, preliminary figures indicate that 4,509 voters have cast their ballots at advance polls for the provincial by-election in Scarborough—Rouge River. By comparison, for the 2014 General Election, 4,597 voters cast their ballot at advance polls in Scarborough—Rouge River.

Election Day is on Thursday September 1st, 2016, when there will be approximately 571 election workers at 50 voting locations across the electoral district. Eligible voters are encouraged to visit elections.on.ca to find out where, when and how to vote.

For more information visit elections.on.ca or call 1-888-668-8683 (TTY: 1-888-292-2312).

Elections Ontario is the non-partisan agency responsible for administering provincial elections, by-elections and referenda.

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Scarborough showdown this week

By Christina Blizzard, Queen's Park Columnist
First posted: Saturday, August 27, 2016 05:46 PM EDT | Updated: Saturday, August 27, 2016 08:07 PM EDT

Raymond Cho, Progressive Conservative Party of Ontario candidate(L) with co-manager Doug Ford in the Scarborough-Rouge Rive byelection on Thursday August 25, 2016. Veronica Henri/Toronto Sun/Postmedia Network

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Usually it’s a quiet suburb tucked away in northeast Scarborough.

Suddenly, Scarborough-Rouge River is the centre of the universe, with candidates slugging it out in a provincial byelection bunfight.

The controversy bubbled over Friday, with PC leader Patrick Brown releasing a letter backing away from support for the province’s controversial new sex-ed curriculum that was introduced into schools last September. He says as premier, he’d scrap it.

“Upon being elected, a PC Government would scrap the controversial changes to sex-ed introduced by Premier (Kathleen) Wynne and develop a new curriculum after thoughtful and full consultation with parents,” Brown said in a letter that was distributed to religious institutions in the riding over the weekend.

It’s one of many critical issues in this riding. With the Wynne government beset by accusations of scandal and mismanagement, Brown’s looking for a coveted breakthrough in the 416 area code.

He’s recruited Doug Ford as co-campaign chair for their candidate, long-time Toronto councillor Raymond Cho. Ford’s hugely popular in the riding because of his and his late brother Rob Ford’s support for subways to the transit-starved area.

“People in Scarborough feel they’re being cheated and they’re ignored on the subway,” Cho, 80, said in an interview.

“Every election time, the Wynne Liberal government promises they’re going to bring the subway, and then after the election, no one talks about it,” he said.

“Scarborough has been ignored,” he said.

Car insurance rates are also a big issue. Scarborough has some of the highest rates in the province.

“Last election the Wynne Liberals promised they were going to cut car insurance by 15%. It didn’t happen in my world,” he said.

Soaring hydro rates, waste and scandal are driving the province into debt, he said.

“After 13 years of government, the Ontario debt is $308 billion. Within four year, the debt will be $350 billion. To pay the interest on the debt, the Ontario government spends $1 billion a month,” he said.

“For $12 billion a year, we could build the Sheppard subway lines, better health care and make more investment in education,” he said.

Cho came to Canada almost 50 years ago from South Korea. He’s served 25 years as a city councillor.

His two opponents both came to Canada as refugees from Sri Lanka.

Carrying the Liberal colours is Piragal Thiru, 37, who came here 25 years ago with his single mother and brother.

His story isn’t unusual, he said. Many started a new life in Scarborough.

“I grew up in a very tight situation, but that’s not a unique story. If you go talk to people at the doors in Scarborough, that’s their story.”

Thiru is a transportation policy planner in York Region.

“I’ve seen how good infrastructure projects elevate communities,” he said.

“It reduces commute times for families. People like my mother who had to travel far to get to work don’t have to spend a lot of time commuting,” he said.

While he says he shares the frustration of homeowners with high hydro bills, he claims it’s not the fault of the government.

“I tell people this: Politicians are not the ones who set hydro rates,” he said.

“We have an independent arm’s length agency, the Ontario Energy Board, that sets hydro rates,” he said.

“Many in our community do find rising costs of hydro a challenge, but they’re comforted by knowing there are programs that they can access.”

Thiru says he can do a better job representing the riding because he’d be part of the Liberal government.

“It’s only the Liberal candidate who has a seat at the table in government, who can push and influence decisions in favour of Scarborough. It’s not the NDP, it’s not the Conservative, because they’re not in government.”

Neethan Shan, 37, is running for the NDP. He’s been a school trustee for five years and works as a teacher.

The biggest issue for young people right now is jobs, he says.

“When I knock on doors, many parents tell me their children have gone through post-secondary education with a high amount of debt accumulated, but they’re not finding suitable employment,” he said.

And hydro costs are crippling.

“We met a family recently that doesn’t use the air conditioning or the dishwasher, but still pays on average $400 per month,” he said.

“This is putting them in a situation where they have to choose between having nutritious food for their children as opposed to paying their bills.” He supports the subway expansion.

“We’ve had enough discussion, we need the shovels in the ground. We need the project to start moving and we need the subway built now,” he said.

This will be a close vote. It happens Thursday.


PC leader Patrick Brown shook up the byelection race Friday with this letter backing away from support for the sex-ed curriculum.

Here’s what he said:

“During the leadership contest, I pledged to lead an Ontario PC Party of thoughtful consideration. That is why in preparation for the general election in 2018, we have launched our most ambitious policy consultation in party history, www.ForOntario.ca, to give you a voice in every area of our platform.

It is my belief that as parents, you must be consulted on any fundamental change to a curriculum that directly affects your children. The Wynne Liberal government has ignored parents and introduced a sex-ed curriculum without proper consultation.

“I believe parents are the primary educators of their children. When it comes to sexual health education, parents should have a say on how much their children are taught, and at what age.

“I remain committed to principles I articulated during the leadership: Parents should be given advance notice of subjects taught and have access to materials used, so they can decide if their child is ready; and every parent has the right to withdraw their child from the classroom, at their discretion, without penalty or repercussion.

“Upon being elected, a PC Government would scrap the controversial changes to sex-ed introduced by Premier Wynne and develop a new curriculum after thoughtful and full consultation with parents. Unlike the present government, which has focused on this one issue, a PC government will develop a well-rounded curriculum that will strengthen reading, writing, mathematics and other skills that will prepare them to succeed in the real world.

“I believe sex-ed is important, but it cannot be significantly changed without extensively consulting the primary educators of children, who have always been parents.”


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 30, 2016 3:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

( the globe and mail actually wrote an article about this by election )

Provincial by-election in Scarborough a three-way battleground

Adrian Morrow

The Globe and Mail

Published Tuesday, Aug. 30, 2016 11:41AM EDT

It’s 30 degrees in the shade on United Square, a blue-collar cul-de-sac in the Malvern area of Scarborough, and Fred Kamil’s anger with the Ontario Liberal Party is rising faster than the mercury.

Sitting in a lawn chair in the driveway of his white brick bungalow on a recent morning, the 71-year-old retired auto worker lists all the ways he believes that the province’s governing party has let him down: rising electricity prices; the lack of public transit in this corner of the city; the costly cancellation of two gas-fired power plants.

“With all the scandals, who has to pay for it? Not Kathleen Wynne and Dalton McGuinty – me and you do,” he says. “I voted Liberal for 45 years, man, but they’ve lost me.”

This is what the Liberals are up against in Thursday’s by-election in Scarborough-Rouge River. At the midway point of her four-year mandate, Premier Kathleen Wynne must prove her government’s baggage isn’t weighing it down – and that neither the privatization of Hydro One nor the many delays in bringing a subway extension or new LRT (light-rail transit) to Scarborough will end the party’s dominance of this crucial seat.

Related: Ontario PC leader Patrick Brown won’t ‘scrap’ Ontario sex-ed curriculum

A Liberal fief since its creation in 1999, Scarborough-Rouge River is now a three-way battleground. The NDP came within 3,000 votes of snatching it away in the past two general elections, with the Progressive Conservatives close behind. A working-class area with large Tamil, Chinese and Caribbean communities – about two-thirds of residents were born outside Canada – it lies in the vote-rich Toronto suburbs where provincial elections are decided.

Rookie PC Leader Patrick Brown badly wants a victory here to prove that his much-vaunted outreach to immigrant communities is translating into political support. The NDP, for its part, desperately needs a breakthrough in the suburbs to be considered a serious contender for government.

The vote is also unfolding in the wake of the mysterious resignation of Bas Balkissoon, who abruptly quit politics in March after holding the seat for more than a decade. He has been tight-lipped about his reasons for quitting. In an e-mail to The Globe and Mail, he said only that “the time has come for me to retire” and asked for privacy.

Mr. Balkissoon has not campaigned for the Liberals in the by-election, leaving candidate Piragal Thiru to field questions about his departure.

“Could you tell me why Bas Balkisoon left?” asks one middle-aged man who beckons Mr. Thiru to his doorstep. “Nobody seems to know. I’m trying to find out. Everyone’s giving me a different answer.”

“He retired to spend more time with his family,” Mr. Thiru replies. “It’s important that we respect that.”

It’s not the only tough question Mr. Thiru has to contend with as the standard-bearer for the governing party. But the boyish 37-year-old, who works as a transportation planner in nearby York Region, has polished, pat answers for them all.

On hydro prices, he pledges government subsidies. On transit, he sidesteps the fractious debate between subway advocates and LRT proponents by contending that it is up to city government to decide what to build and that the province’s role is to provide the money.

Two neighbourhoods away, the NDP’s Neethan Shan is doing his best to stoke the anger Mr. Thiru is fighting.

“Car insurance and hydro bills are skyrocketing while incomes haven’t been keeping up,” says Mr. Shan, 37, a school trustee making his third bid for a provincial seat. “And people want the subway to be built and built now, instead of discussing over and over again.”

Such bread-and-butter concerns go over well at the door. “My [hydro] bill is for $452. I think: Why? There are only three people here,” says Martha Gomez de Asuad, 60, gesturing at her modest bungalow as Mr. Shan’s canvass team nods along.

The PCs are stoking an issue of a different sort. In a letter signed by Mr. Brown and distributed in Scarborough last week, the Tories promised to scrap the Liberals’ new sex-education curriculum.

The letter was an apparent about-face for Mr. Brown, who vowed in June not to repeal the curriculum if elected premier. But the Tories changed their tune after discovering discontent with the curriculum among some new Canadian communities in Scarborough.

For several days after the letter was uncovered by media, Mr. Brown defended it on Twitter. Then, he pulled another about-face: In an op-ed in the Toronto Star Monday, Mr. Brown disowned the letter, claiming it had been written by campaign staffers in Scarborough who “went too far.” He promised not to repeal the curriculum.

The Tory leader’s double U-turn is likely to revive old tensions within his party, which has long been divided on whether to cater to socially conservative voters. It also handed the Liberals an opportunity to portray Mr. Brown as an insincere opportunist.

“Why did he change his mind on such an important issue? To win a few votes,” Education Minister Mitzie Hunter wrote in a Sunday e-mail to Liberal supporters seeking donations. “Patrick Brown is literally willing to say anything, to anyone, at any time.”

The other internal Tory debate figuring in the by-election is the presence of Doug Ford. The former councillor and mayoral candidate is co-managing PC candidate Raymond Cho’s campaign. The decision to give Mr. Ford a role raised eyebrows among some Tories, who worry that Mr. Ford could overshadow the party’s message.

But Mr. Cho insists that such concerns are overblown. “He’s helped me a lot. People in Scarborough, they love Doug Ford,” the 80-year-old councillor says. “I don’t know the internal politics. I just concentrate on my campaign.”

And a factor even bigger here than Mr. Ford is the cultural one. When Mr. Cho discovers that voter Chris Ratna is Tamil, he launches into a brief speech condemning genocide in Sri Lanka. Mr. Ratna is pleased. “I’ll vote for you. … You give the respect, you’re a very genuine guy,” the 48-year-old furniture factory worker says.

Mr. Cho says Mr. Brown’s outreach efforts, which include attending copious events and regularly meeting with leaders of immigrant communities across the province, are paying off.

“Two years ago, when I was running as the PC candidate, some people were asking ‘Why are you running for the white people’s party? Why are you running for the rich people’s party?’ ” he says. “This time, nobody asks that kind of question.”


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Patrick Brown says PCs may lose Scarborough byelection after flip flop on sex-ed

By Muriel Draaisma, CBC News Posted: Aug 30, 2016 7:45 AM ET| Last Updated: Aug 30, 2016 12:04 PM ET

Ontario Progressive Conservative Leader Patrick Brown told Metro Morning that his changing of position on the province's updated sex-ed curriculum may cost his party this week's byelection in Scarborough-Rouge River.

Ontario's Progressive Conservative leader Patrick Brown says his changing position on the Liberal government's sex-ed curriculum may cost him the byelection in the Toronto riding of Scarborough Rouge River on Thursday.

A campaign letter distributed last week, just days before the byelection, said a Progressive Conservative government would "scrap the controversial changes to sex ed" if Brown wins the 2018 provincial election. On Monday, Brown admitted that letter was a "mistake."

Today, he told CBC's Metro Morning that the flip flop may damage his party politically.

Patrick Brown says promise to scrap Liberal sex-ed curriculum was a 'mistake'

"I realize this may cost me the byelection in Scarborough-Rouge River because much of the opposition was on this issue," Brown told host Matt Galloway on Tuesday.

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Progressive Conservative leader Patrick Brown (left) campaigning with Scarborough-Rouge River candidate Raymond Cho (centre), a few days before the byelection in that riding. (CBC)

"But I don't want to win a byelection on false pretenses. If I am premier, I am not going to be scrapping sex education."

Brown declined to say whether or not he actually wrote the letter that was sent out to constituents in the east Toronto riding.

"Ultimately on this issue, I wasn't hands-on enough," he said. "I'll take full responsibility for what my team put out there in Scarborough to some homes, but ultimately, it did not reflect what I would do if I was premier.

"I'll be honest," said Brown, "people told me, you know, you should wait to correct the record until Friday. I said no. I don't want anyone going to the polls on misinformation."

The candidates in the byelection include: Raymond Cho for the Progressive Conservatives; Piragal Thiru for the Liberal Party; Neethan Shan for the NDP; and Queenie Yu as an independent. This is a full list of candidates in the byelection.

Scarborough-Rouge River byelection
Advanced polls were held in the Scarborough-Rouge River byelection on Saturday, with election day set for Sept. 1.

The co-chair of Cho's campaign is Doug Ford, the former Toronto mayoral candidate and onetime councillor for Ward 2.

The curriculum was updated last year, for the first time since 1998, but some parents complained that the government didn't consult them enough and were angered by mentions of same-sex relationships, gender identity and masturbation.

Brown said he took to Twitter "as soon as possible" to correct the letter because he didn't want to be seen as trying to "curry votes." Brown said the updated curriculum is a "hot issue" in the riding.

"I realize some of my supporters in Scarborough are passionate about this issue," he said. "Ultimately, they went further than what I was comfortable with."

'Lack of communication'

Brown said he had a "heart to heart" with his caucus at a Kenora, Ont., retreat on the weekend about the letter that was sent out.

"There was a lack of communication," he said.

He said the Liberal government could have done a better job on consulting the public, experts and educators before updating its sex-ed curriculum. But he said he believes an updated curriculum is important.

Schools should be raising LGBT issues, educating students about combating homophobia, and talking about such issues as consent and mental health, he said.

"Those are all important things that need to be brought up in the school system today. The curriculum does need to be updated on a regular basis."

Brown said he was the first MP in Barrie, Ont.'s history to attend a Pride flag-raising and the first PC leader to march in Toronto's Pride parade.


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its funny how the liberal friendly Toronto media ( toronto star , ctv, CBC etc ) which until now has virtually completely ignored this vote has decided to start covering it almost like vultures sensing ont pc trouble in the riding . there is many other issues in suburban Toronto worth covering like riding hydro prices and subways but they could care less about the trouble average people have with paying the hydro bills , like vultures looking for something to damage the conservatives with .

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( a new poll indicates a liberal loss is looming in scarborough rouge river , among decided and leaning 41 pc , 36 lib , 18 ndp , )

Scarborough byelection too close to call: poll

by News Staff
Posted Aug 31, 2016 11:41 am EDT
Last Updated Aug 31, 2016 at 12:06 pm EDT

A new poll suggests Thursday’s provincial byelection in the riding of Scarborough-Rouge River is too close to call.

According to Mainstreet Research, Progressive Conservative candidate Raymond Chow has a five-point lead over Liberal candidate Piragal Thiru – 35 per cent and 30 per cent, respectively.

Neethan Shan, who is representing the NDP, is in distant third with 18 per cent. The Green Party has nominated Priyan De Silva, who is in fourth place with three per cent.

Seventeen per cent of those asked said they were undecided.

However, with the margin or error, the race remains a tight one between the Liberals and the PCs.

“It looks like this race is going to come down to the wire – and ultimately to the party with the strongest get-out-the-vote operation,” David Valentin, executive vice-president at Mainstreet, said in a statement on Wednesday.

The poll surveyed 578 eligible voters by phone on Sunday and Monday. It has a margin of error of plus or minus 4.08 per cent, 19 times out of 20.

Valentin said it’s unknown how PC Leader Patrick Brown’s reversals on the sex-ed curriculum will affect support in the riding.

Read the full poll results below or click here to view it.

Mainstreet poll: Scarborough-Rouge River byelection

Preliminary figures show 4,509 voters showed up for the advance polling held last week, Elections Ontario said in a release on Monday.

The seat, which has been vacant since Liberal backbencher Bas Balkissoon abruptly resigned in March, has been red since its inception in 1999. A byelection was called in early August.

Last Wednesday, 10 candidates took part in a debate on Rogers TV, moderated by CityNews reporter Cynthia Mulligan.

Candidates work to woo voters in Scarborough-Rouge River byelection. Watch the video below or click here to view it.

“There is a silent crisis happening in our healthcare system. Our front-line staff and nurses are being fired … wait times [are] increasing,” Shan said when asked about how he would improve healthcare in their community.

“In fact, [in] Scarborough hospitals the silent crisis is even more pronounced because of the lack of leadership and the disrespect we’ve been getting from Kathleen Wynne and the Liberals. The operating rooms are outdated.”

The candidates were also asked about the Scarborough subway extension. Green Party candidate De Silva said the current plan for the subway is not enough.

“The one-stop Scarborough subway station does not help Malvern, the northeast part of Scarborough. It does need to be extended and more different types of transit must be included for Scarborough,” De Silva said.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2016 12:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

when you look thru the poll in more detail a liberal loss appears even more likely as the only age group there candidate is leading among is 18-34 who are least likely to vote in a by-election .
18- 34 - 42 lib , 20 ndp , 18 pc
among other age groups pc candidate Cho has big leads
35-49 - 37 pc , 24 lib , 18 ndp
50-64 - 46 pc, 25 lib , 13 ndp
65 plus 43 pc 29 lib , 8 ndp

these numbers would indicate to me a pc victory by Raymond Cho is highly possible at this point . I can't see the liberals overcoming those numbers with there younger base of supporters especially in a by-election

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Tory and Liberal candidates in close race in Scarborough-Rouge River

Chris Fox, CP24.com
Published Wednesday, August 31, 2016 10:01AM EDT
Last Updated Thursday, September 1, 2016 6:26AM EDT

The Liberals and Tories are in a virtual tie with one day to go until residents cast their ballots in the Scarborough-Rouge River byelection, two separate polls have found.

Forum Research and Mainstreet asked potential voters who they plan to support in Thursday’s byelection and both polls revealed a particularly close race in the hotly-contested riding.

The Mainstreet poll of 578 eligible voters found that 35 per cent of respondents intend to vote for PC candidate Raymond Cho while 30 per cent say they will vote for Liberal candidate Piragal Thiru and 15 per cent say they will vote for NDP candidate Neethan Shan. The margin of error in the poll is 4.08 percentage points, 19 times out of 20, meaning Cho and Thiru are very close to being in a statistical tie.

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The Forum Research poll was even closer. That poll of 363 eligible voters found that Cho and Thiru both have the support of 36 per cent of respondents while Shan is a distant third with the support of 23 per cent of respondents.

The Forum Research poll also asked respondents their opinion on the province’s new sex-ed curriculum, which some believe could be a major ballot box question in the riding.

The poll found that 39 per cent of respondents approve of the curriculum while 36 disapprove and 26 per cent don’t have an opinion. Support for the curriculum was higher among Liberal voters (46 per cent) and NDP voters (55 per cent). Only 27 per cent of PC voters said they supported the curriculum.

“What we see here is a classic Mexican stand-off; the Liberal and Progressive Conservative candidates have each carved out an equal sized patch of the popular vote and the hill they’re fighting for is the vote that swings on the sex education curriculum,” Forum Research President Lorne Bozinoff said in a press release.

The Forum Research poll is considered accurate to within five percentage points, 19 times out of 20.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2016 8:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

( something is happening in scarborough rouge river and it ain't good if your a liberal , it looks like Kathleen Wynne's candidate is going down in flames and pc candidate Cho is the next mpp ,)

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41 polls reporting out of 234 polls

Candidate (Last Name, First Name)

Political Party

Number of Votes

Percentage of Votes


Cho, Raymond PC Party of Ontario 1,732 39.51 % 449
Thiru, Piragal Ontario Liberal Party 1,283 29.27 %
Shan, Neethan Ontario NDP/NPD 1,162 26.51 %
Yu, Queenie INDEPENDENT 85 1.94 %
De Silva, Priyan Green Party of Ontario 50 1.14 %
Small, Allen Libertarian 26 0.59 %
Znoneofthe, Above None of the Above Party 14 0.32 %
Simmons, Wayne Freedom Party of Ontario 11 0.25 %
Krosinska, Ania Trillium Party TPO 10 0.23 %
McLean, Dwight The People 6 0.14 %
Turmel, John Paupers 5 0.11 %

Percentage of polls reporting: 17.52 %
Voter turnout: 4.91 %
Registered Electors on List: 89,279

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2016 7:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

( Kathleen wynne has lost one of her Toronto riidngs , one of the safest liberal seats in scarborough to pc candidate and city councillor Raymond Cho . surely a sign her days are numbered and liberals in desperate trouble in the suburbs around Toronto )

Tory Raymond Cho wins Scarborough-Rouge River byelection

Stunning victory seen as political blow to ‎Wynne’s Liberals, who have represented vast majority of Toronto ridings since taking power in 2003

Ontario PC Leader Patrick Brown, left, puts his arm around newly elected Scarborough-Rouge River MPP Raymond Cho at the campaign party on Thursday. (Chris Young / THE CANADIAN PRESS)

By Robert BenzieQueen's Park Bureau Chief

Thu., Sept. 1, 2016

Put the T.O. back in Tory.

The Progressive Conservatives have secured a foothold in Liberal Premier Kathleen Wynne’s electoral fortress of Toronto with a stunning victory in the Scarborough-Rouge River byelection.

Raymond Cho, 79, a veteran city councillor, easily won Thursday, giving the Tories their first seat in the 416 area code since losing Etobicoke-Lakeshore in 2014.

Cho’s campaign survived a self-inflicted wound by rookie Conservative Leader Patrick Brown to secure a seat that had been held since 2005 by Liberal MPP Bas Balkissoon, who retired unexpectedly in March.

“Tonight there’s a blue wave that’s crossed the Rouge River. Tonight, we made history . . . and won a seat the Liberal party has never lost in the city of Toronto,” Brown told scores of cheering supporters at the Tories’ Sheppard Ave. E. campaign office.

Ontario’s newest MPP credited Doug Ford for his success.

“Without his help, I don’t think I would win this election,” said Cho.

It’s a political blow to ‎Wynne’s Liberals, who have represented the vast majority of Toronto ridings since taking power in 2003.

Lagging in public-opinion polls, the governing Grits had hoped the Conservatives’ internal troubles would boost their candidate, Piragal Thiru, 37, a York Region transportation planner vying to be Ontario’s first Tamil MPP.

On Aug. 24, the Tories distributed 13,000 copies of a letter — in English and Chinese and signed by Brown — that promised to “scrap” Wynne’s updated sex-education curriculum that remains controversial in some cultural and religious communities.

After blowback from centrist Tories and members of his own caucus over the flip-flop, the leader apologized for the error in an online piece for the Star on Monday.

“It was a mistake for a letter to go out to Scarborough-Rouge River voters saying that I would ‘scrap’ the updated curriculum. This is not my view. This is not what I will do. In fact, the opposite is true. I apologize,” he wrote.

But that move infuriated the social conservatives who had helped him win the Tory leadership in May 2015 amid hopes he would axe the curriculum and curb abortion rights.

There is also lingering confusion over who in Brown’s office authorized the missive and why it took so long to correct the problem — even though it didn’t derail Cho.

Some Liberals were crying foul on Thursday night, believing the Tory chief’s English-only apology was not heard by the riding’s large Chinese community.

Former Toronto mayoral candidate Doug Ford, who helped run Cho’s campaign, said he wasn’t behind the letter.

“No, no. The hydro rates, the jobs, these pieces of literature came out of here,” he told reporters Thursday night.

Ford insisted those pocketbook issues were the most important to voters in Scarborough-Rouge River.

‎However, in a riding where 90 per cent of residents are visible minorities, sex education was a hot-button topic with some Chinese-Canadians.

Cho, who was born in Korea and does not speak Chinese, was hearing that on some doorsteps, which is why the Tories circulated the letter.

Fearing that any electoral gain locally could cause political pain provincially, Brown’s team did a U-turn after five days of hemming and hawing.

The sex-education debacle ended up dominating a campaign that had been seized by more pressing matters like soaring electricity rates this hot summer and Scarborough’s need for better public transit.

But even with that snafu, Thiru could not shake being saddled with almost 13 years of Liberal baggage. New Democrat Neethan Shan, a local school board trustee, was third.

Voters may not have seen the last of Shan — he is a mentioned as a potential successor to Cho at Toronto city council.

Cho’s Ward 42 (Scarborough-Rouge River) council seat, which he has held since city boundaries were redistributed in 2000, must now be declared vacant by council.

With more than two years left in the term, council has the choice on how to fill the seat: it may appoint a new councillor or hold a byelection to fill the vacancy.

Thursday’s result means the 107-member legislature will have 57 Liberal MPPs, including Speaker Dave Levac; 29 Tories; 20 New Democrats; and one vacancy.

While the Tories won a 2013 byelection in Etobicoke-Lakeshore — held by former councillor Doug Holyday for nine months before losing in 2014 — they have not triumphed in a Toronto riding in a general election since 1999 when Mike Harris was premier.

Wynne will call a byelection to fill the former Ottawa-Vanier seat of retired Liberal minister Madeleine Meilleur later this year.

There will also be a byelection before the end of March in Niagara West-Glanbrook after former Tory leader Tim Hudak resigns his seat on Sept. 16.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2016 11:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am shocked; This should have been an OLP cakewalk.

For all the discussion about Scarborough-Rouge River being a Liberal Stronghold since 1999, the reality is that Scarborough North (Alvin Curling riding before it was amalgamated) had been Liberal since 1985 and generally speaking fairly safe since 1985.

Raymond Cho finished 3rd in 2014, 11% behind Bas Balkissoon and in 2011 the PCs were 23% behind Bas Balkissoon.

The OLP didn't punt during this by-election, Piragal Thiru was a strong candidate.

My takeaway is how strong the PC ground game is under Patrick Brown,
At the end of the day turn out was in the 30's and the PC's won this riding with the roughly the same percentage of the popular vote as the OLP did in the last election.

It was a well deserved win.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2016 1:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cosmostein wrote:
I am shocked; This should have been an OLP cakewalk.

For all the discussion about Scarborough-Rouge River being a Liberal Stronghold since 1999, the reality is that Scarborough North (Alvin Curling riding before it was amalgamated) had been Liberal since 1985 and generally speaking fairly safe since 1985.

Raymond Cho finished 3rd in 2014, 11% behind Bas Balkissoon and in 2011 the PCs were 23% behind Bas Balkissoon.

The OLP didn't punt during this by-election, Piragal Thiru was a strong candidate.

My takeaway is how strong the PC ground game is under Patrick Brown,
At the end of the day turn out was in the 30's and the PC's won this riding with the roughly the same percentage of the popular vote as the OLP did in the last election.

It was a well deserved win.

I don't know if the pc win was a complete surprise consider how bad the liberals have been polling this summer and wynne's historically low approval ratings , Whitby Oshawa also showed that liberal voters aren't very motivated to show up to the polls at the moment . every since trudeau won last fall the liberal vote at provincial level across Canada had been doing poorly to show up for by-elections in ridings the liberals hold federally . been like 6 ( across Canada ) I think that provincial liberals have all lost . Coquitlam BC , Calgary Greenway Alt , Whitby Oshawa Ont , Chicoutimi Que , Halifax Needham NS and now scarborough rouge river Ont . these by-elections all took place in ridings trudeau did well in last election but provincial parties couldn't motivate the liberals voters to even show up to vote .

but even after gaining 1 seat the pc's still are way behind the liberals who hold 57 and have a majority , although I wouldn't be surprised to see more lib mpp's leave before the next election and a couple other by-elections on top of the 2 she must still call ( Ottawa Vanier and Niagara west Glanbrook )
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