Home FAQ Search Memberlist User Groups Register Login   

BloggingTories.ca Forum IndexBloggingTories.ca Forum Index
    Index     FAQ     Search     Register     Login         JOIN THE DISCUSSION - CLICK HERE      

*NEW* Login or register using your Facebook account.

Not a member? Join the fastest growing conservative community!
Membership is free and takes 15 seconds


CLICK HERE or use Facebook to login or register ----> Connect



Goto page 1, 2  Next  

Post new topic   Reply to topic Page 1 of 2
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
PostPosted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 10:52 pm    Post subject: Canada Mission in Afghanistan... Reply with quote

Given the fragile minority PM Harper has in the parliament, how long will Canada sustain its troops in that corner of the world...

I know we have a Parliament approved mandate to stay there until 09 but Liberals and NDPs are getting freaked out and demand to cut and run.

Will we get through this or the leftists and liberals may be able to get the troops back home?
Donald Hughes





Joined: 02 Sep 2006
Posts: 166
Reputation: 16.2Reputation: 16.2
Location: Libertarian socialism

PostPosted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 11:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Canada will probably remain involved until at least early 2008, although if the politics gets messy then our troops might be rotated to another auxillary position earlier. I say auxillary position because the function of Canada's military is largely to support broader American/European designs. It doesn't really matter to them where our troops are as long as they are supporting, given how few we have overseas. It is even within the realm of possibility that we could redeploy to Lebanon or something after the current extended operation in southern Afghanistan is complete. More likely at least a token force of a few hundred troops will remain in Afghanistan to continue to lend legitimacy to the mission.

Our presence is not really important in either direction. It is unfortunate that it will cost a fair amount to continue and will result in a number of deaths, and perhaps a shift in the politics back home related to the war will make it slightly less likely for leaders to support future invasions and occupations, but imagining a more thorough critique from the Liberals seems impossible.
biggie





Joined: 06 Sep 2006
Posts: 1738
Reputation: 44Reputation: 44Reputation: 44Reputation: 44
votes: 10
Location: Ottawa, Ontario

PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 11:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's pretty sad that the same people who so vehemently advocate human rights, freedoms and the like, run at the first sign of casualties...

We wave a big stick, but it always seems to break when we use it..
JDot





Joined: 02 Sep 2006
Posts: 727
Reputation: 63.5
votes: 5
Location: Ontario(GTA)

PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 12:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We will be there intill 2009. The left is just using this for politics. Harper should stick to his guns and say we had a vote deal with it.

What is going to be interesting is what happens after 2009. And you know 2009 is the same year that Bush leaves office.

What will the left do without Mr. Bush?
PaulE-0





Joined: 07 Sep 2006
Posts: 4
Reputation: 12.8
Location: Toronto

PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it's important that Harper comes out with a clear set of objectives. I realise that it's dangerous to set a timeline, and I'm not neccessarily suggesting that, but I think we have to set in frame what things have to be accomplished (in specific milestones) for us to be able to confidently declare victory and start downsizing our forces.

This is absolute critical heading into the election.
Craig
Site Admin




Joined: 29 Aug 2006
Posts: 4415
Reputation: 47.8Reputation: 47.8Reputation: 47.8Reputation: 47.8Reputation: 47.8
votes: 36

PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 8:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

biggie rection wrote:
It's pretty sad that the same people who so vehemently advocate human rights, freedoms and the like, run at the first sign of casualties...

We wave a big stick, but it always seems to break when we use it..


Amen. The same people who seem to advocate all of those things domestically like to turn a blind eye to atrocities outside of Canada.
biggie





Joined: 06 Sep 2006
Posts: 1738
Reputation: 44Reputation: 44Reputation: 44Reputation: 44
votes: 10
Location: Ottawa, Ontario

PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 11:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the left is just upset that harper ate all their babies :wink:
Michael





Joined: 06 Sep 2006
Posts: 35
Reputation: 13.4
Location: Vancouver

PostPosted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 1:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Harper needs to remind Canadians why we went there in the first place, what Afghanistan was like under the Taliban, and how much those people are counting on us.

Afghanistan should not become synonymous with Iraq, but until Canada gets a clear refresher about our mission over there, it will be too easy for the left to hammer on Harper about this.
FF_Canuck





Joined: 02 Sep 2006
Posts: 3360
Reputation: 73.4
votes: 17
Location: Southern Alberta

PostPosted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 3:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a glimmer of hope that the media was playing fair today: Canadians warned of mission's danger (CP)

There is a need to remphasize why we're in Afghanistan, if only because our fellow citizens seem to have awfully short memories. Maybe a 'State of the Dominion Address' or something - a debate or a speech in QP isn't the way to go about it.

Something else I'm curious about, is how support for the mission breaks down by province - I've only seen national numbers, which means a precipitous drop in Quebec or the GTA could distort the polls a little bit. Anyone know where I could find out?
Donald Hughes





Joined: 02 Sep 2006
Posts: 166
Reputation: 16.2Reputation: 16.2
Location: Libertarian socialism

PostPosted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 10:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually I think it would be smarter for Harper to shut up about it, mostly, and have various Liberal candidates talk it up. The worst politicizing decision he made for the mission was to show up there early on at his new job. It was clever from some angles, but it began to frame the mission in partisan terms and is what (I think) helped some Liberals start to dislodge themselves from it.
DM Schwartz





Joined: 08 Sep 2006
Posts: 45
Reputation: 34.4Reputation: 34.4Reputation: 34.4

PostPosted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 10:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Prime Minister Harper needs to talk to Canadians on a number of points:

1. Why we went there in the first place....9/11,Osama bin Ladin, the fascist regime of the Taliban.
2. What the conditions of Afghanistan where like when we got there...not allowing girls to learn, basic human rights, etc
3. What we have accomplished there so far....rebuilding schools, etc.
4. What obstacles we need to overcome

It should be followed by Karzai speaking directly to Canadians.

Once everything has been laid out on the table, the arguments of people like Jack Layton who think we should pull out and want us, a country that believes strongly in rights for all, to negotiate with people that kill girls just they go to school to learn or stone people just for being homosexuals, will be exposed for the hypocrisy that it is.

When Canadians know the facts without all the political spin, they will be behind the mission fully.
LadyofCanada





Joined: 06 Sep 2006
Posts: 3
Reputation: 12.8

PostPosted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 10:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DM Schwartz wrote:
Prime Minister Harper needs to talk to Canadians on a number of points:

1. Why we went there in the first place....9/11,Osama bin Ladin, the fascist regime of the Taliban.
2. What the conditions of Afghanistan where like when we got there...not allowing girls to learn, basic human rights, etc
3. What we have accomplished there so far....rebuilding schools, etc.
4. What obstacles we need to overcome

It should be followed by Karzai speaking directly to Canadians.

Once everything has been laid out on the table, the arguments of people like Jack Layton who think we should pull out and want us, a country that believes strongly in rights for all, to negotiate with people that kill girls just they go to school to learn or stone people just for being homosexuals, will be exposed for the hypocrisy that it is.

When Canadians know the facts without all the political spin, they will be behind the mission fully.


Actually, all of that is going to happen on Monday, with the exception that Karzai will address Canadians on Sept. 22.
McGuire





Joined: 05 Sep 2006
Posts: 369
Reputation: 20.2Reputation: 20.2
Location: Soviet Pictouwestistan

PostPosted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 10:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Donald Hughes wrote:
Actually I think it would be smarter for Harper to shut up about it, mostly, and have various Liberal candidates talk it up. The worst politicizing decision he made for the mission was to show up there early on at his new job. It was clever from some angles, but it began to frame the mission in partisan terms and is what (I think) helped some Liberals start to dislodge themselves from it.


You're right to an extent. I don't think the PM's Afghan trip was at all partisan, but as a result he has allow the Liberals to skirt any responsibility for our involvement there.
biggie





Joined: 06 Sep 2006
Posts: 1738
Reputation: 44Reputation: 44Reputation: 44Reputation: 44
votes: 10
Location: Ottawa, Ontario

PostPosted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 12:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agreed.. Although it was a good move, and one i still do not question, I think the libs have seized the opportunity...
PaulE-0





Joined: 07 Sep 2006
Posts: 4
Reputation: 12.8
Location: Toronto

PostPosted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 9:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm in the polling business myself, and it's my opinion that the 'negative' affect of the war in afghanistan is GREATLY exagerated by the CBC and such...

Quebecers are historically mal-contents when it comes to any foreign exercise. And the federalists in that province are not going change their voting intentions because of the war.
Post new topic   Reply to topic Page 1 of 2

Goto page 1, 2  Next  


 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You can download files in this forum


Canada Mission in Afghanistan...

phpBBCopyright 2001, 2005 phpBB