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PostPosted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 8:47 am    Post subject: US Government Shutdown - 2013 Reply with quote

Its been a few days now and we really haven't touched too much on it.

Any opinions?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 11:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of course there are opinions.

I think the Democrats are losing this one. How can they be so arrogant as to announce their intention not to compromise or even negotiate, and then be able to blame the Republicans?

Their problem is that Obamacare is so unpopular. Or so it seems. Perhaps it is an organizational mess, to boot.

They are having so much trouble getting people to sign up that they are offering 'Obama-phones' as an incentive!

It's become a verse in the contemporary political catechism that the Republicans will lose if they close down government. But if they don't, they will split the party.

We shall see, but this is not 'in the bag' for the Democrats because the supine media can't find anything good to report. This could be turning into an electoral disaster.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 12:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

At this point I would argue the GOP should just hold the line.

Watching Harry Reid question the intelligence of reports who ask very fair questions regarding single departmental funding bills to keep some aspects of government open can't be playing too well in the long run.

This is largely about the 2014 election;
The GOP will be losing a Senate Seat in New Jersey next month, and they know how to count.

Montana, West Virginia, and North Dakota are all locks to go Red from Blue leaving three more seats needed;

Obamacare is unpopular in Alaska, Louisiana, and North Carolina and there are three Senate seats up for grabs in those states.

Getting those Senators on record as being "Pro" writes the ads for them
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 11:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I take it that we agree that, at a minimum, the Democrats aren't winning this, at least not yet. The Republicans are at least holding their own, so far.

There are things a lot of people don't know about this. One of them -- only about 17% of the federal civilian workforce is affected.

The Obamacrats have partially revealed themselves in the way they are implementing the shut-down. It's deadly, from a PR point of view, to pay extra to keep veterans from going to an outdoor memorial that has been built to honour them, for instance. Ditto with threats to pensioners and military personnel.

Now that have closed down the 'Amber Alert', a website that issues warnings about abducted kids.

They want this to go on.

But, at the same time, Obamacare is being implemented.

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Cindy Vinson and Tom Waschura are big believers in the Affordable Care Act. They vote independent and are proud to say they helped elect and re-elect President Barack Obama.

Yet, like many other Bay Area residents who pay for their own medical insurance, they were floored last week when they opened their bills: Their policies were being replaced with pricier plans that conform to all the requirements of the new health care law.

Vinson, of San Jose, will pay $1,800 more a year for an individual policy, while Waschura, of Portola Valley, will cough up almost $10,000 more for insurance for his family of four.

"Welcome to the club," said Robert Laszewksi, a prominent health care consultant ....
http://www.mercurynews.com/nat.....s-bay-area


I personally know of a woman in Detroit who is being asked to pay $1600 a month!

The point is, the implications of Obama's policies are becoming apparent, even before the legislation is fully implemented -- and people don't like it.

The Democrats are overplaying their hand, in my view.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 12:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Amber Alert website going down, yet the White House still having the ability to tweet really makes the transparency of the optics the Democrats are trying to use pretty clear.

Surrounding an open air monument with barricades?
Come on now.

Scott Walker did an excellent job pointing out the absurdity of that over the weekend.

The White House is trying to make people feel the effects of this shutdown solely for political sake, and I think the Amber Alert idiocy and the fact that it came right back after the outrage shows just how much of game the Democrats are playing.

I will say that the GOP needs to fight this story that an election was held on Obamacare and the Democrats won.

The House has always held the purse-strings, and in two straight elections the GOP maintained or secured a majority. The GOP majority is an elected one and the House is the only body of government who can sign off on budgets and debt ceilings.

Its their right as a independent division of government to make demands of the President as that is their function of government, the fact that the President has forgotten that fact will end up hurting the Democrats when they eventually fold and give in on something to get a CR.

The problem is the President has set up the Democrats to look like losers for accepting anything short of a CR which they won't get.

Also; Kudos to John Boehner on the talk show circuit this weekend.
He looked and sounded like a leader and that is what is needed right now.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 12:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bugs wrote:

I personally know of a woman in Detroit who is being asked to pay $1600 a month!

The point is, the implications of Obama's policies are becoming apparent, even before the legislation is fully implemented -- and people don't like it.

The Democrats are overplaying their hand, in my view.


Its the largest "tax" on the lower middle class in American history.

Of the 20m people who don't have insurance and don't qualify for medicare how many of them simply don't want it as opposed to can't afford it?

I watched Democratic Senator Debbie Stabenow make a case for a man in Michigan who was making 26,000 (?) a year who could now buy insurance for 75 dollars a month.

Trouble is based on my understanding that gentleman was always able to get critical care insurance (pair of doctors appointments and ER visits per year) for around the same cost before Obamacare.

The only difference is now he is legally required to purchase it.

Nearly a 1000 dollars a year when you making in the mid 20's to begin with before tax is a lot of money, and if you can't cough it up you will get hit with a 1% of your income penalty increasing to 2% next year and further the year after.

I do a lot of work in the States and I am yet to have someone tell me how much money they will be saving year over year.

Its not really that surprising,
You had 280 Million Americans with Health Insurance, and now you are forcing an additional 20 million to buy it and likely the cheapest plans possible.

Did anyone expect a small increase in users to decrease the price substantially for the whole?

Democrat Economics at their finest.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 11:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

More on the crass 'cheating' on the 'government shut-down' narrative ...

Outrageous amounts of media 'help' can hardly void the rank hypocrisy when it is this blatant.

Quote:
Park Service OKs immigration reform rally on 'closed' National Mall

A planned immigration reform rally will take place on the National Mall on Tuesday even though the site is closed due to the government shutdown.

Organizers for the "Camino Americano: March for Immigration Reform" were spotted Monday setting up a stage and equipment on the National Mall for the rally which will take place on Tuesday.

A few scattered barriers around the park have signs informing visitors that the area is closed as a result of the government shutdown.

Susana Flores, a spokesperson for the rally, confirmed for the Washington Examiner that the Park Service will allow the event to take place under the group's rights granted by the First Amendment.

About 30 members of Congress are expected to attend the rally, including House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., and Sen. Robert Menendez, D-N.J.

The event is hosted by several immigration activist groups, together with the Service Employees International Union (SEIU) and the AFL-CIO.
http://washingtonexaminer.com/.....le/2536908


It isn't just the Obamacare costs that are causing people to stand back -- it's just that Obama and his team are just unbelievably partisan in their application of everything from IRS investigations on through.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 11:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

More on the crass 'cheating' on the 'government shut-down' narrative ...

Outrageous amounts of media 'help' can hardly void the rank hypocrisy when it is this blatant.

Quote:
Park Service OKs immigration reform rally on 'closed' National Mall

A planned immigration reform rally will take place on the National Mall on Tuesday even though the site is closed due to the government shutdown.

Organizers for the "Camino Americano: March for Immigration Reform" were spotted Monday setting up a stage and equipment on the National Mall for the rally which will take place on Tuesday.

A few scattered barriers around the park have signs informing visitors that the area is closed as a result of the government shutdown.

Susana Flores, a spokesperson for the rally, confirmed for the Washington Examiner that the Park Service will allow the event to take place under the group's rights granted by the First Amendment.

About 30 members of Congress are expected to attend the rally, including House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., and Sen. Robert Menendez, D-N.J.

The event is hosted by several immigration activist groups, together with the Service Employees International Union (SEIU) and the AFL-CIO.
http://washingtonexaminer.com/.....le/2536908
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