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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 8:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

( leadership race has lost one of its biggest names , doesn't look like dwight duncan is going to run, that leaves who i'm not sure ???? as a potential premier )

Dwight Duncan will not seek Ontario Liberal leadership

Will endorse Pupatello, who has yet to confirm joining the race


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 9:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Too bad. Dwight Duncan is the guy the Liberals should have chosen as leader when they went for Dalton -- in my humble opinion, of course. It isn't so evident, now, after years of handlers 'grooming' him, but when Dalton took over, he was bad on every dimension. The PC's openly ridiculed him as 'not good enough' ... and he wasn't, as history has shown.

I believe Dwight Duncan was the last man still in when Dalton won. He became the finance minister ... so he knows the real story of where the province is at ... and he's not running again.

Other commitments, he says.

There's a time for sowing, and a time for reaping ... and now, he's going to start reaping.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 10:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm thinking Sandra Pupatello will win the leadership.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 8:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Progressive Tory wrote:
I'm thinking Sandra Pupatello will win the leadership.


I tend to agree;
Its looking pretty sown up for Sandra Pupatello at this point.

I hope they keep her on as leader after the election and opt against pulling a Lyn McLeod and turfing her after an unwinnable election.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 4:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cosmostein wrote:
Progressive Tory wrote:
I'm thinking Sandra Pupatello will win the leadership.


I tend to agree;
Its looking pretty sown up for Sandra Pupatello at this point.

I hope they keep her on as leader after the election and opt against pulling a Lyn McLeod and turfing her after an unwinnable election.


Will be interesting to see her impact. Any idea of her popularity among the electorate? I don't think she's been included in any polls as of yet.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2012 9:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Progressive Tory wrote:
cosmostein wrote:
Progressive Tory wrote:
I'm thinking Sandra Pupatello will win the leadership.


I tend to agree;
Its looking pretty sown up for Sandra Pupatello at this point.

I hope they keep her on as leader after the election and opt against pulling a Lyn McLeod and turfing her after an unwinnable election.


Will be interesting to see her impact. Any idea of her popularity among the electorate? I don't think she's been included in any polls as of yet.


In terms of the card carrying Liberal electorate who will ultimately select her, I think she is the head and shoulders clear choice.

However, being fair I don't see many other quality candidates wanting to take a shot at the job. The heavy hitters are staying on the sidelines, she is about as heavy of a hitter as I think will declare in the race.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2012 4:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Her husband is an idiot.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 8:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

( so far nobody wants to run for the job , however potential big name female candidates have remained silent about their intentions )


Scott Stinson: Two more Liberals decline the honour of leading the struggling party
Scott Stinson | Oct 31, 2012 4:06 PM ET | Last Updated: Oct 31, 2012 10:12 PM ET
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THE CANADIAN PRESS/Michelle SiuDalton McGuinty speaks to the media at Queen's Park after announcing his resignation.



Liberal MPP Brad Duguid held a news conference at Queen’s Park on Wednesday where he announced that he would not seek the party leadership. Coming less than 24 hours after former Cabinet minister George Smitherman also removed his hat from the ring, Mr. Duguid’s announcement brought to five the number of high-profile would-be contenders to succeed Dalton McGuinty who have shifted themselves to won’t-be status.

“Clearly, nobody wants the job,” said PC MPP Jim Wilson, managing to avoid the obvious rats-fleeing-a-sinking-ship analogy.

NDP counterpart Peter Tabuns avoided it as well, but just barely: “The only news coming out of the Liberal leadership race is that people don’t want to be leader,” he said. “The ship is taking on water, and they are searching for higher ground.” Aside from ending on a rather tortured metaphor — I’m no nautical expert, but am pretty sure the solution to a leaky boat is to patch the leak — the assertions that “no one” wants to be Liberal leader is obviously not true. It’s just not demonstrably untrue yet, because no one has yet said they will pursue the job.

Which is to say, the first entrant in the race will automatically be the front-runner, since at that point it will be a race of one.

Before a Cabinet meeting yesterday, expressions of possible interest came from Kathleen Wynne, Deb Matthews, Glen Murray and Eric Hoskins, though each also said they had made no decision yet. Add to that list former Cabinet minister Sandra Pupatello, whose eventual entry is widely seen as a formality, and one-time McGuinty rival Gerard Kennedy, whose entry is less assured but possibly bolstered by all the non-entries taking place, and it’s not hard to see a scenario with at least four well-known candidates — known to provincial Liberals, anyway — in the race.

But, to the extent that the departing Premier has any sway in influencing things at this point, he might consider asking non-candidates to stop announcing their non-candidacy until someone steps in. Until they do, there will be more scenes like the one on Wednesday, when Mr. Duguid gamely tried to assert that the Liberal leadership remains a valuable crown.

Why is everyone avoiding the race, he was asked. Isn’t it a sign that the party is in trouble? He responded that once he had made up his mind not to run, he “had a responsibility to get out of the way,” which raises the philosophical question: if you aren’t in the race, can you actually be in anyone’s way?

Asked if his former role as energy minister — he was in the portfolio when the decision was made to cancel gas-fired plants in Oakville and Mississauga, costing the treasury hundreds of millions of dollars — had made him too toxic a candidate for the leadership, Mr. Duguid said “not at all,” explaining that those cancellations were just a response to local concerns and that PC and NDP MPPs had demanded the same thing. “We made the right decision,” he said. This is a popular line of argument among Liberals, but it overlooks both the cynical timing of the moves, and the fact that the Liberals have for years managed to ignore local calls for the cancellation of energy projects in non-Liberal ridings. Mr. Duguid must realize that the scandal would have hurt him, as it would have current Energy Minister Chris Bentley, who passed on a leadership bid last week, and, arguably, Mr. Smitherman, who rolled out the Green Energy Act during his time as minister.

At other points during his time before reporters on Wednesday, Mr. Duguid variously said he was “enthusiastic” about prospects for Liberal renewal, “very confident” of future success and that he “likes their prospects” in an electoral sense. If nothing else, it would be helpful to the Liberals if these expressions were not coming from someone who was at the same time standing down.

Mr. Duguid was on firmer ground when he argued that two weeks, the amount of time that has passed since Mr. McGuinty stepped down, is not a lot of time for prospective candidates to weigh a leadership bid and get the makings of a campaign team together. If someone did step up and announce a candidacy without having most of the details ironed out, we’d be decrying the sloppiness of their launch.

But it’s also true that the problems of the past six months have left the Liberals with no easy path to victory, and that’s undoubtedly weighed on some of Mr. McGuinty’s possible successors. You want a leadership race to include early jockeying for position. So far it’s a lot more about streaming for the exits.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 11:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It took over 3 weeks for anyone to announce they were going to run in the race to succeed John Tory so does that mean nobody wanted that job too?

McGuinty resigned just over two weeks ago, is it that surprising people have not officially announced?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 2:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What else can it mean?

Some of these people's hands are dirty ... in the sense that they have promoted and taken part in things that the public now hates, or would blow up if they became leader. Smitherman made a mess in both Health and Energy, and left a whole string of other people holding the bag(s).

But who did McGuinty groom as a replacement? Good managers have a replacement ready, if not a pool of them, after nine years. McGuinty never groomed anybody. In fact, when you consider the deficits he ran the province into the ground.

I wonder how bad it actually is ... how many cuts do you have to make to fill an $8 billion a year hole? Ontario spent $28 billion on education in 2009 -- I wonder if anyone would even notice if class sizes grew to 32 or so ... and students started flunking again. And no more of this text book boondoggle -- the Department of Education can get the best in one big purchase, and they can use the same text for a decade. Math doesn't change. History doesn't change. Physics doesn't change. Not at that level.

That's the scale of change we are talking about. In fact , probably that and two or three other such economizing changes. That would be the best for everybody. Schools could even be improved in the process. They would need time to evolve in the new direction over two to five years. (Just to be clear, I have no particular animus towards education ... it's just the department of the Province that best fits, for illustrative purposes.)

My point -- McGuinty has essentially undone everything good that Harris did, and returned the province to the same financial situation after Rae as well. He has frittered away some hard won gains. And whoever replaces him will have to play the role of the Harris in this repeating drama. He'll have to cut services and freeze wages in the public sector, while he reorganizes basic services, so they can be 'delivered' cheaper.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Progressive Tory wrote:
It took over 3 weeks for anyone to announce they were going to run in the race to succeed John Tory so does that mean nobody wanted that job too?

McGuinty resigned just over two weeks ago, is it that surprising people have not officially announced?


To formally announce; sure.
However Klees and Hudak were both pretty open about the likelihood they were going to run days after the announcement.

In this case of the Liberals, MPP's are actively going out of their way to say they won't run which is a little different.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2012 6:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well Sandra Pupatello's comments seem to suggest she will run and Kathleen Wynne was supposedly set to announce her bid yesterday but pushed it back till Monday.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 9:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Progressive Tory wrote:
Well Sandra Pupatello's comments seem to suggest she will run and Kathleen Wynne was supposedly set to announce her bid yesterday but pushed it back till Monday.


Sure,
However I think the situation left by McGunity is a little different then the one left by Tory, which is why I can understand the commentary.

The reality is that the "best" people for the job are not seeking it, whereas that was not the case to succeed Tory.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 12:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pupatello is in, and she wants to be the "jobs premier".
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