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PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 4:08 pm    Post subject: Why The Screwed Generation Is Turning To Paul Ryan Reply with quote

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Why The Screwed Generation Is Turning To Paul Ryan

GOP Congressman Paul Ryan—the tireless, wonky, 42-year-old workout freak—has made history by becoming the first member of our generation to join a presidential ticket. It should come as a surprise to no one that his calling card is reforming entitlements.

We hear incessantly about how members of today’s screwed generation face the prospect of less prosperous lives than those lived by their parents. But the maiden generation to stare down that gloomy prognosis was Generation X, the tiny slice of America born between about 1965 and 1980. (Ryan was born in 1970.) We were the first generation to be told we would never get Social Security or Medicare even though we would be forced to pay into these programs.

When many X-ers graduated from college, stocking shelves at the Gap was considered a career choice, as jobs were few and far between amidst a major economic downturn. I won’t bore you with the horror show of the low-paying and miserable jobs I had for the first three years after college.

Unfortunately, the future looks as bleak for today’s young people. No amount of coddling by their well-provided-for Boomer parents can save Generation Y and the Millennials from the dire economic conditions they face, including criminal levels of educational debt. Pensions have gone the way of the horse and buggy. You want to retire with health-care benefits, as both my professor parents did? Good luck. As the 1994 movie turned Gen-X mantra has it: Reality Bites.

Generation X chronicler Jeff Gordinier, has written that Gen-Xers suffer from “athazagoraphobia”—“an abnormal and persistent fear of being forgotten or ignored.” Except it’s not really a phobia; it’s been reality for a long time. Maybe that is about to change.

Enter Ryan. While Democrats attack his Medicare plan as “radical” and portray him as pushing granny off the cliff, young people don’t seem to be buying this caricature. Or maybe “radical” is what they want.

A Zogby/JZ Analytics poll Tuesday showed increased support among voters 18-29 for the Romney ticket, which pollster John Zogby attributed to the Ryan pick. President Obama received just 49 percent of the youth vote, versus Romney’s 41 percent. (Obama took home 66 percent of the youth vote against McCain in 2008.) [....]

For those who think those numbers are an anomaly, take a look at Pew’s 2011 polling that found that among 18-29 year olds, 46 percent supported Ryan’s proposed Medicare changes with only 28 percent opposing (the rest had no opinion). Among 30-49 year olds it was 38 percent approving and 36 percent opposed. The strongest opposition to Ryan’s plan comes from those over 65, who ironically won’t even be affected by his plan since it would only apply to those 55 and under. Pew found that age, not party identification was the biggest predictor of how a person would feel about his plan.

Jon Cowan, the CEO of the centrist think tank Third Way told me, “Ryan is doing the country a huge service by putting this on the table.” Cowan is the former founder of Lead or Leave, a Gen X group that gained prominence in the 1990s as it rang the alarm bells for reducing the deficit and dealing with entitlements. [...] He says, “There are a lot of younger voters who say of the Ryan plan, ‘at least I get something… at least there is a plan’. If you don’t get in there and offer a plan you give up the high ground on policy.”

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Another indication that support for the welfare state is crumbling.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 4:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

U.S. politics [and their lying cheating leadars] are pathetic - I think Americans are becoming too stupid for democracy IMHO...
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 10:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can you elaborate?

I find the fact that at least some young Americans can recognize their own interests to be an optimistic thing. Why do you find it stupid? Just wondering ...
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 10:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Especially in the U.S. a political candidate will say anything they have to for a vote - yet after the fact - they do the opposite. Sorry but my thoughts about U.S. politics are not very favorable. Sadly, I think the Americans are screwed with their useless 2 party system, vote for tweedledee and tweedledum - there is little to no difference.

Lets look back at that twit George Bush - what a mess he left behind....sadly the American people learned nothing.

Of course, I hope that Romney wins - he is a better choice...the American people DO deserve better that that creep they got right now. He cannot be worse than Clinton,
Bush and Osama 'ooops' I meant - Obama!!
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 8:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll concede that the US is in bad shape right now.

But do you think politics is any better in Canada? More open, more transparent? We Conservatives don't even know what our party is planning to do in the future. We are in the dark.

When elections come, are policy alternatives put on the table for people to vote on?

Can you think of a single issue that has come up, from the grass roots, and become policy? The Reform Party tried, but they had to drop the 'Reform' on the way to power.

Let's face it, so called 'democratic politics' is about fooling the people as much of the time as you can.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 11:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its interesting because I didn't expect the Ryan pick to play well in the 18 - 29 demographic, yet it appears to be making some waves.

I think the portrayal of Paul Ryan by the Democrats is rapidly approaching the Stephen Harper attacks of the Liberals during the 2006 campaign (Men...in the streets...with guns) it was so utterly over the top that it made the attacker look worse then the target of the attack.

Its also interesting that the generation that will be left to pay for the generation that came prior seems to be at least entertaining the idea of being fiscally responsible.

I am enjoying the conversations that have sprung up since the selection of Ryan, its making for a more topical election then it was a week ago.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 11:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The question is ... what does 'fiscally responsible' mean, when the outstanding debt is unpayable?

Presumably the politicians of the 1970ies ... and the 1980ies, etc ... were considered 'fiscally responsible' ... but they were the ones that collectively got us into this mess.

Of course, they were led by intellectuals and specialists who (essentially) put forth the idea that the national debt never had to be repaid. All that was necessary was to roll it over, and a 3%-4% interest rate would be more-or-less cancelled out by a 2%-3% rate of inflation.

Keynesians!

Now that have led the West into a dark alley under the illusion that you can resolve a debt crisis with more borrowing ... providing they spend and borrow enough. The mugging will come later.

The young people are happy to see at least ONE politician address the issues. I don't think his solutions are so wonderful, but you have to give him huge credit just because he had the temerity to introduce the issue of funding entitlements into the political discussion.

In this sense, it is a cause for optimism.

My bet is that people will come to see that the Iceland solution is the only way out.

Perhaps that is the 'fiscally responsible' path, in the end. To be clear, I am talking about a massive renunciation of most of the debt -- what they did in Iceland.

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