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 Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 9:32 am Post subject: |
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There was some conversation about LeBlanc having a hard time raising money or the potential to raise money.
Not sure if that was ever formally confirmed? |
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| Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 12:45 pm Post subject: |
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LeBlanc seemed to be among the most talented in the current caucus, which is quite something considering the size of the Liberal caucus.
It seems unlikely that anyone will be able to beat Bob Rae, which is quite sad for the Liberals seeing they are ready to hand over the leadership to the former NDP premier of Ontario who despite his talent is unable to get them beyond third place in polling. However, Sheila Copps' win seemed all but certain in January and she was beat by a younger candidate who was a virtual unknown.
I cannot believe there is not an uproar within the Liberal Party that Rae is considering running. The man ran for the interim job saying he would not run for the permanent leadership, is it that surprising that he has been abele to become the frontrunner by deciding what roles other potential candidate will play within the party and using party money to travel around the country giving speeches? |
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| Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 1:02 pm Post subject: |
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Rae's "demands" to become interim leader ultimately threw the party under the bus.
Waiting two years from a historic election debate to pick another leader is perhaps the worst political move I have seen in a long time.
Rae is too old to contest an election beyond 2015, and once again the Liberals find themselves potentially with a new leader for a new election. |
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| Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 1:24 pm Post subject: |
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| The party chose the timing through their extraordinary phone call in June, Bob Rae wanting to be in the role for at least 18 months likely played a role in people deciding to wait till next year. I think this coming Fall would have been the best time for them to have a leadership race, probably September or October. |
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| Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 2:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Progressive Tory wrote: | | The party chose the timing through their extraordinary phone call in June, Bob Rae wanting to be in the role for at least 18 months likely played a role in people deciding to wait till next year. I think this coming Fall would have been the best time for them to have a leadership race, probably September or October. |
September would have been ideal;
Spend the summer being the lead politics story most nights of the week, and have more then two years to prep for the election. |
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| Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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| cosmostein wrote: | | Progressive Tory wrote: | | The party chose the timing through their extraordinary phone call in June, Bob Rae wanting to be in the role for at least 18 months likely played a role in people deciding to wait till next year. I think this coming Fall would have been the best time for them to have a leadership race, probably September or October. |
September would have been ideal;
Spend the summer being the lead politics story most nights of the week, and have more then two years to prep for the election. |
That's what I had thought as well. The Summer is also a good time for campaigning. |
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| Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:59 am Post subject: |
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Trudeau will run.
How do I know?
Because he said he wouldn't and I don't believe a word he says. |
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| Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 12:46 pm Post subject: |
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Trudeau doesn't strike me as the type who would want to roll up his sleeves and fix the numerous problems that exist within the LPC.
That is why I generally believe him;
Whoever becomes the next leader is going to need to spend a lot of time and effort addressing former Liberal voters and attempting to rebuild some of that old bedrock Liberal Party support.
Trudeau doesn't strike me as the type who would bother with that sort of effort;
He seems like the type who would make a run after the hardwork was done. |
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| Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 7:10 pm Post subject: |
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| cosmostein wrote: | Trudeau doesn't strike me as the type who would want to roll up his sleeves and fix the numerous problems that exist within the LPC.
That is why I generally believe him;
Whoever becomes the next leader is going to need to spend a lot of time and effort addressing former Liberal voters and attempting to rebuild some of that old bedrock Liberal Party support.
Trudeau doesn't strike me as the type who would bother with that sort of effort;
He seems like the type who would make a run after the hardwork was done. |
To his credit he did turn down a safe Liberal seat, not sure which one, in 2008 to run in Papineau which was considered to be a tough seat to take back from the Bloc.
I don't feel he has the intelligence to be a leader. I do think he would have a large following in the beginning and I think he'd be a huge contrast from Harper and Mulcair, but he has no substance. |
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| Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 8:59 am Post subject: |
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| Progressive Tory wrote: | | cosmostein wrote: | Trudeau doesn't strike me as the type who would want to roll up his sleeves and fix the numerous problems that exist within the LPC.
That is why I generally believe him;
Whoever becomes the next leader is going to need to spend a lot of time and effort addressing former Liberal voters and attempting to rebuild some of that old bedrock Liberal Party support.
Trudeau doesn't strike me as the type who would bother with that sort of effort;
He seems like the type who would make a run after the hardwork was done. |
To his credit he did turn down a safe Liberal seat, not sure which one, in 2008 to run in Papineau which was considered to be a tough seat to take back from the Bloc.
I don't feel he has the intelligence to be a leader. I do think he would have a large following in the beginning and I think he'd be a huge contrast from Harper and Mulcair, but he has no substance. |
I was of the impression that Dion made it clear that if we wanted a seat he would have to earn it, as the thought at the time from Justin's camp were the safer (at that time) ridings of LaSalle-Émard (Paul Martin's old seat) and Outremont (which was a safe seat before Mulcair) as Jean Lapierre was going to be stepping down.
Papineau was the riding that had an open spot and Justin opted for it, I am not entirely sure if it was a noble cause or simply because it was the closest riding that had an open nomination available.
I do agree that he is mostly sizzle and little steak;
The guy is a PR MP who really doesn't seem to have many ideas or issues outside the context of Liberal dogma.
He would win over some of the young folks; but the young folks were energized in 2011 and they ended up with Harper. |
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| Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 12:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | Rae expected to resign from interim post in June so he can run for full Liberal leadership
Bob Rae is expected to step down as interim Liberal leader in late June to make a run for the party’s permanent leadership — a move that essentially, will signal the start of the highly-anticipated race.
Rae has not officially announced his intention to run, but it’s difficult to find anyone in Liberal circles who believes the man who has headed the party for close to a year now isn’t planning to throw his hat into the ring.
Recent comments to a newspaper in P.E.I. have further stoked such speculation.
“There’s going to be a contest for the leadership,” Rae told the Journal Pioneer on April. 14. “It’s not going to be a coronation for the leadership. It’s going to be a very competitive, open race. I’m just waiting to hear whether or not I’m allowed to participate in it.”
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http://news.nationalpost.com/2.....eadership/
I don't know of anyone who has indicated interest that at this time would have a good shot at beating Rae. |
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| Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 1:11 pm Post subject: |
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Rae will win;
No question. |
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| Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 4:34 pm Post subject: |
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| cosmostein wrote: | Rae will win;
No question. |
The Liberals deserve to fail with him. |
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| Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Mike Crawley says he spoke to 6 or 7 people who are interested in the leadership. |
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| Posted: Wed May 02, 2012 9:43 am Post subject: |
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| Progressive Tory wrote: | | Mike Crawley says he spoke to 6 or 7 people who are interested in the leadership. |
I guess my first question is "who?"
If LeBlanc is taking over interim leadership who within the caucus has a chance? Garneau?
Outside of McGunity or some pie in the sky rock star, who outside the caucus would you be comfortable enough with winning a by-election?
This race will largely be a coronation; anointing a guy who will be 67 years old during the 2015 election taking on leaders who will be 56 and 60 respectively.
The upside at least would be in the unlikely event that Rae won he would at least become part of history;
Rae would be the oldest elected Prime Minister in Canadian history, and the oldest in general since Charles Tupper on May 1, 1896.
What simply floors me is the Liberal Party's lack of understanding that they need some degree of consistency in leadership selecting a leader who will be able to contest a single election (maybe two if its a minority?) is by far the worst choice they could make,
But that is fine by me |
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