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 Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Progressive Tory wrote: | | The NDP are delighted with these results, even though they are a disappointment when you consider the Liberals and Conservatives memberships were a lot higher when they last held leadership conventions. The NDP try to say they are a true grassroots party but the Conservatives had over 200,000 members when Harper became leader, and they were a new party and didn't win as many votes in the next election as the NDP did last May. |
The numbers aren't bad;
130,000 total with around 1/3 coming since October.
However the fact that Quebec only has 12,000 or so numbers means the folks who actually elected more then half the NDP caucus in Ottawa will have less then 10% say in who the new leader of the party ends up being.
Quebec was largely the Province that puts its money where its mouth was as the NDP secured 87% of their new seat growth within that Province.
Now its a Province that is largely irrelevant in the selection of a new leader.
BC appears to be the Province that will pick the next leader of the NDP, they are also a Province that gave an overwhelming majority of their seats to the government in 2011.
If BC is picking a leader; I cant see it not being Topp. |
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| Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:43 pm Post subject: |
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| paisley_cross wrote: | | Progressive Tory wrote: | | The NDP are delighted with these results, even though they are a disappointment when you consider the Liberals and Conservatives memberships were a lot higher when they last held leadership conventions. The NDP try to say they are a true grassroots party but the Conservatives had over 200,000 members when Harper became leader, and they were a new party and didn't win as many votes in the next election as the NDP did last May. |
For the Official Opposition these figures are quite meager. IMO, in Quebec they have tuned out the NDP since Jack died and in ROC what happened in Quebec is considered an aberration and they still regard the NDP as the "third party". |
Quebec has become very interesting if you believe the polls;
The LPC, NDP, CPC, and BQ are all in the 20's.
The NDP's losses appear to be benefiting everyone and now you almost assure a leader not selected by the folks who sent most of the NDP caucus to Ottawa in the first place.
Its going to be a very interesting few months politically. |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2012 11:51 am Post subject: |
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http://blogs.canada.com/2012/0.....f-the-day/
The unions are lining up who they want to support; ie, those that would give them the most goodies.
CAW - Nash
CEP - Topp
Dewar also announced a couple of union bosses supporting him.
I've had my run-ins with Nash - she thinks replacement workers are a form of genocide. I also think she or Dewar are a sure way to lose Quebec and toss the Dips back into third place.
I haven't seen anything but I expect the FTQ has lined up behind Mulcair. |
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| Posted: Wed Feb 29, 2012 1:36 pm Post subject: |
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| paisley_cross wrote: | http://blogs.canada.com/2012/02/22/ndp-leadership-peggy-nash-gets-a-big-union-boost-as-labour-support-becomes-theme-of-the-day/
The unions are lining up who they want to support; ie, those that would give them the most goodies.
CAW - Nash
CEP - Topp
Dewar also announced a couple of union bosses supporting him.
I've had my run-ins with Nash - she thinks replacement workers are a form of genocide. I also think she or Dewar are a sure way to lose Quebec and toss the Dips back into third place.
I haven't seen anything but I expect the FTQ has lined up behind Mulcair. |
I am hardly Nash's biggest fan, however I think its going to be Topp.
Now that we have a clearer picture of the membership breakdown Topp seems to have most BC NDP MLA's and Libby Davies and her 15 years of MP experience and ground-force that goes with it on board.
Topp basically needs a majority in BC which doesn't seem unreasonable and a mixed bag of support across the rest of Canada to have this all sewn up.
Topp may end up being the biggest gift the NDP could have handed to the Liberals. |
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| Posted: Wed Feb 29, 2012 2:35 pm Post subject: |
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| cosmostein wrote: | I am hardly Nash's biggest fan, however I think its going to be Topp.
Now that we have a clearer picture of the membership breakdown Topp seems to have most BC NDP MLA's and Libby Davies and her 15 years of MP experience and ground-force that goes with it on board.
Topp basically needs a majority in BC which doesn't seem unreasonable and a mixed bag of support across the rest of Canada to have this all sewn up.
Topp may end up being the biggest gift the NDP could have handed to the Liberals. |
The Libs are making the NDP look ineffectual. But Topp, who has no experience as an elected politician (and therefore no seat in House) and is at best a so-so speaker, might become the Leader of the Opposition sitting in the Gallery.
Boggles the mind.
But given their preferential ballot and a close race we could see Nash or even Dewar slip through as leader. |
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| Posted: Wed Feb 29, 2012 2:38 pm Post subject: |
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I don't think Topp has a chance. I don't believe he has the grassroots support needed, which we've seen in polling. (though that polling was released by candidates)
There is an NDP blog where you can vote for your first, second, third, and so on choices and it calculates votes just like it will be done in the race. While it could easily be rigged it shows that Topp has little support and is in fifth place. |
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| Posted: Wed Feb 29, 2012 3:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Progressive Tory wrote: | I don't think Topp has a chance. I don't believe he has the grassroots support needed, which we've seen in polling. (though that polling was released by candidates)
There is an NDP blog where you can vote for your first, second, third, and so on choices and it calculates votes just like it will be done in the race. While it could easily be rigged it shows that Topp has little support and is in fifth place. |
Had every Province across Canada been weighted equally I wouldn't think that Topp stood a chance, however based on the memberships sold even if Mulcair would win 100% of the vote in Quebec and still be nowhere near winning the leadership.
I would be interested to see a poll of just BC as they basically have half the say. |
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| Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 8:52 am Post subject: |
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It appears that the NDP Leadership hopefuls must have polling showing Mulcair out in front because they ate him alive this weekend.
| Quote: | "What specifically did we run on in 2011 that you would change?" Nash asked Mulcair, while Topp asked the Quebec MP, "instead of saying our party's the problem, shouldn't we be attacking issues our party was founded to fight?"
Ashton asked: "Would it not make more sense to go after Stephen Harper's policies than criticize our own party?"; Dewar asked: "how can you inspire people to vote for our party when you don't seem to be inspired by our party, how do you do that?
Mulcair defended his vision for modernizing the party's "boiler-plate language" and "adapting" the message to local campaigns: "What we did in Quebec is to reach out beyond our traditional base, connect with people who shared our values and our goals but had never worked or voted for us in the past."
What the NDP accomplished in Quebec, he said, could work in the rest of Canada.
"There is no contradiction between the campaign we ran in Quebec and the campaign we ran in the rest of Canada," Mulcair told journalists after the debate.
According to Topp, Mulcair's vision would move the party over to the centre. "I think it's wrong because if there are two Liberal parties in front of the people of Canada at the next election, they'll vote for the real one. So we're condemned to be ourselves," Topp said. |
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politic.....ouver.html |
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| Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 10:47 am Post subject: |
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Let the backroom dealing begin!!!
| Quote: | Thousands of Martin Singh supporters in B.C.'s South Asian community are being urged to rank front-runner Thomas Mulcair as their second choice for federal NDP leader.
As recently as Sunday, Singh vehemently denied he's working in concert with Mulcair.
Yet Singh's former western organizer, Sukh Johal, confirmed Monday that he's now working for Mulcair.
Johal told The Canadian Press he signed up 4,500 members from British Columbia's South Asian community for Singh. He ceased working for Singh on Feb. 18, the deadline for signing up new party members eligible to vote in the leadership contest.
Now, Johal said he's volunteering for Mulcair, urging the same people he recruited for Singh to mark Mulcair as their second choice on their preferential ballots. |
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politic.....lcair.html |
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| Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 9:37 am Post subject: |
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ONE MORON IS AS INSANE AS THE NEXT
The NDP seeks resolution to every plausible economic, social, and/or culture dilemma through, excessively expensive, ineffective, incompetent statist policies that hinders GDP growth, and thereby the standard of living of the citizens they are endeavoring to assist. These extreme-left radicals oppose free enterprise, capitalism, and virtually everything which has made our standard of living one of the world’s highest.
The paradox is that the “Red Kindergarten Party” is a mixed nut platter of hopeless utopians, which are so extremely left that the middle of the road is in a different time zone. The distinction between the NDP and Conservatives can be elucidated by discerning that Conservative’s plan for us to retain more of what we earn, while the NDP propose to re-distribute more of what we earn. These crypto-commies consistently pound their hammers and swing their sickles demanding more taxes and more redistribution of wealth through more ineffectual, exceedingly expensive, consistently larger government. Rather than adopting an agenda of limited government, and economic growth they advocate for economic and social radicalism.
These equalitarian socialist, who substantiate everyday that they are not fit to govern, fail to apprehend that deficit spending for welfare, equalization, universal social benefits are not investments in future generations; rather, they will vastly increase future poverty levels, taxes, and decrease employment while ensuring a decreased standards of living.
When building their fantasy utopia the economic illiterates of the “Red Kindergarten Party” do not think that it is any les :x s immoral to force the unborn to pay for our debt through future higher taxes, and lower living standards of living, than it is to slaughter the unborn in abortion torture chambers. |
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| Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Mulcair is leading going into the 3rd ballot. There have been extensive delays because the internet voting system hasn't worked quite the way they had hoped. There are some in the media that are already suspecting some form of "outside interference," to which I'm sure the accusations will be leveled at the Conservatives quite soon. |
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| Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 9:03 am Post subject: |
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| Willg wrote: | | There are some in the media that are already suspecting some form of "outside interference," to which I'm sure the accusations will be leveled at the Conservatives quite soon. |
I don't see why the Tories would want to in anyway effect Saturday;
It was pretty well a dream scenario the party of "accessibility" and the "average Canadian" had less total votes in the first ballot over all for all seven candidates combine then Harper secured himself in 2003.
They also voted to move the party as a whole to the right of their position in 2011,
This was about as good as it gets. |
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