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Edmund Onward James





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PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 4:08 pm    Post subject: Foresenic Psychiatriast Welner about the Oslo Terrorst Reply with quote

Lately Arlene Bynon of 640 AM Talk Radio and the producers have elevated the program to almost the level of John Batchelor of 770 AM WABC New York. But he doesn't take in callers. He communicates with notable individuals and panelists around the world. Today at 4:00 PM Arlene talked with Dr. Michael Welner about the Oslo terrorist. I will not mention the fellow's name because what he did makes me sick.

But Welner said he is not sick. He's a "21st Century Terrorist" His manifesto, said Welner, is frightening... because it's a cookbook for terror far beyond the norm.

This horrific event is about celebrity. It's about him.

After all the years of planning the megalomaniac found out how to put the fear together in one of the soft places in the world. And I say this is Norway's 9/11 by a blond Norwegian terrorist who hates Islam.

The Forensic Panel (Dr. Michael Welner, Chairman)
http://www.forensicpanel.com/e.....20835.html

Defining Evil: An Interview With Dr. Michael Welner
http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/s.....amp;page=1
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 7:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Michael Ledeen is an expert on Iran's quest. We have communicated many times over the years. The following piece about the Oslo terrorist is an interesting view which I also linked to my stream of consciousness...

http://onwardjames.blogspot.co.....-with.html

The Myths of Oslo - Michael Ledeen, Pajamas Media

The more I look at the Oslo massacre, the more I am struck by how archaic it all is. The killer fancies himself a noble defender of a Western world that no longer exists, and has not existed, really, since the First World War destroyed it. He is the sort of fascist who believes in the myth of a Golden Age that must be restored, and vaingloriously sees himself a member of the elite chosen by history to defend the mythical West.

He fancies himself a warrior fighting against two mortal enemies: "Marxism" and "Islam." He needn't have bothered; they both died a long time ago.

The first was effectively demolished in the Cold War with the defeat of the Soviet Empire. Yes, there are certainly Marxists around, and even communists, but there is no longer a worldwide mass movement challenging the West in the name of dialectical materialism. Their contemporary warriors are intellectuals, not workers, and they are more often masked as liberals or moderates than openly leftist revolutionaries. That's because there is no market for revolutionary Marxism, as Van Jones can explain to you.

The second, "Islam," has been moribund for centuries. Virtually all the countries calling themselves "Islamic" are failed states whose citizens are starving, whose industries are generations behind those of the contemporary West, and whose most talented young people are mostly eager, even desperate, to live and work in infidel countries. Yes, there are certainly plenty of murderous jihadists around, but although they work very hard at killing us (typically often blowing themselves up instead, or setting their own underwear on fire), they are most effective against other Muslims. Even outside the Muslim world, the hard-core pro-jihad, let'screate-a-new-caliphate crowd visits misery on fellow Muslims packed into ghettos and force fed a particularly nasty version of shariah.

Anders Breivik's demons did not drive him to attack Muslims, although there may have been some among his victims; his targets were his own people, those he called "traitors" for betraying the mythical West to the mythical global forces of Islam and Marxism. Quite a bizarre tapestry: A fight to the death among and within three spent forces which had already died.

This archaic mythology is not only Breivik's; the Marxists and the radical Islamists embrace it just as avidly. The Marxists embrace the myth of class struggle in a Western world that is no longer capitalist and where there is no working class. The jihadists embrace the cause of holy war (no accident, the Marxists might say, that jihadists raced to take "credit" for the mayhem in the first hours) against a Western world described as Christian and Islamophobic. That, too, is an archaic remnant from a past long dead and buried, especially in Europe. The Old World is secular, and, certainly among its elites, more anti-Semitic and anti-Christian than anti-Muslim. Just look at the thoroughly disgusting remarks by the Norwegian ambassador to Israel after the massacre, in which he claimed greater "understanding" of Palestinians killing Jews than of a Norwegian massacring fellow countrymen.

It is thoroughly understandable, then, that some have responded to the Norwegian mass murder with myths of their own, beginning with the fable that Breivik is the tip of a very large iceberg, that includes not only deranged would-be killers but also writers and politicians. Thus they conjure up yet another phantasmagorical mass movement - a vast conspiracy with countless fol-lowers, some hidden, others public. There is no such movement. Yes, there are crazy people who think they are fighters in the great cataclysmic struggle of the days of the Last Judgment (and if you want a fine survey and analysis of the enormous variety of such beliefs, and their dreadful effects over the centuries, get yourself a copy of Richard Landes' timely study Heaven on Earth). But I doubt there are enough of them to feed more than a handful of Knights Templar, let alone a full-fledged political movement.

We're living through a revolutionary moment, all over the world. The world we knew and believed we understood is gone, and we don't know where we're headed. No wonder chaos disrupts orderly thought, and mythology replaces common sense.

Michael Ledeen is a freedom scholar at the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies. His justpublished book is Virgil's Golden Egg and Other Neapolitan Miracles; an Investigation Into the Sources of Creativity. This column is an edited version of a blog originally posted at Pajamasmedia.com.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 6:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In her usual manner Ann Coulter summarizes the Oslo terrorist and how the left, particularly the New York Times, analyzed the horror.

New York Times Reader Kills Dozens in Norway - Ann Coulter, Human Events

The New York Times wasted no time in jumping to conclusions about Anders Behring Breivik, the Norwegian who staged two deadly attacks in Oslo last weekend, claiming in the first two paragraphs of one story that he was a "gun-loving," "right-wing," "fundamentalist Christian," opposed to "multiculturalism."

It may as well have thrown in "Fox News-watching" and "global warming skeptic."

This was a big departure from the Times' conclusion-resisting coverage of the Fort Hood shooting suspect, Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan​. Despite reports that Hasan shouted "Allahu Akbar!" as he gunned down his fellow soldiers at a military medical facility in 2009, only one of seven Times articles on Hasan so much as mentioned that he was a Muslim.

Of course, that story ran one year after Hasan's arrest, so by then, I suppose, the cat was out of the bag.

In fact, however, Americans who jumped to conclusions about Hasan were right and New York Times reporters who jumped to conclusions about Breivik were wrong.

True, in one lone entry on Breivik's gaseous 1,500-page manifesto, "2083: A European Declaration of Independence," he calls himself "Christian." But unfortunately he also uses a great number of other words to describe himself, and these other words make clear that he does not mean "Christian" as most Americans understand the term. (Incidentally, he also cites The New York Times more than a half-dozen times.)

Had anyone at the Times actually read Breivik's manifesto, they would have seen that he uses the word "Christian" as a handy moniker to mean "European, non-Islamic" -- not a religious Christian or even a vague monotheist. In fact, at several points in his manifesto, Breivik stresses that he has a beef with Christians for their soft-heartedness. (I suppose that's why the Times is never worried about a "Christian backlash.")

A casual perusal of Breivik's manifesto clearly shows that he uses the word "Christian" similarly to the way some Jewish New Yorkers use it to mean "non-Jewish." In this usage, Christopher Hitchens and Madalyn Murray O'Hair are "Christians."

I told a Jewish gal trying to set me up with one of her friends once that he had to be Christian, and she exclaimed that she had the perfect guy: a secular Muslim atheist. (This was the least-popular option on the '60s board game Dream Date, by the way).

Breivik is very clear that you don't even have to believe in God to join his movement, saying in a self-interview:

Q: Do I have to believe in God or Jesus in order to become a Justiciar Knight?

A: As this is a cultural war, our definition of being a Christian does not necessarily constitute that you are required to have a personal relationship with God or Jesus.

He goes on to say that a "Christian fundamentalist theocracy" is "everything we DO NOT want," and a "secular European society" is "what we DO want."

"It is enough," Breivik says, "that you are a Christian-agnostic or a Christian-atheist." That statement doesn't even make sense in America.

At the one and only meeting of Breivik's "Knights Templar" in London in 2002, there were nine attendees, three of whom he describes as "Christian atheists" and one as a "Christian agnostic." (Another dozen people mistook it for a Renaissance Faire and were turned away.)

Breivik clearly explains that his "Knights Templar" is "not a religious organization but rather a Christian 'culturalist' military order." He even calls on the "European Jewish, Buddhist and Hindu community" to join his fight against "the Islamization of Europe."

He doesn't believe in Christianity or want anyone else to, but apparently supports celebrating Christmas simply to annoy Muslims.

Breivik says he is "not an excessively religious man," brags that he is "first and foremost a man of logic," calls himself "economically liberal" and reveres Darwinism.

But Times reporters had their "Eureka!" moment as soon as they heard Breivik used the word "Christian" someplace to identify himself. No one at the Times bothered to read Breivik's manifesto to see that he doesn't use the term the way the rest of us do. That might have interfered with the paper's obsessive Christian-bashing.

Other famous killers dubbed conservative Christians by the Times include Timothy McVeigh and Jared Loughner​.

McVeigh was a pot-smoking atheist who said, "Science is my religion."

Similarly, Breivik says in his manifesto that "it is essential that science take an undisputed precedence over biblical teachings" - a statement that would be incomprehensible to all the real scientists, such as Copernicus, Kepler, Galileo, Descartes, Bacon, Newton, Mendel, Pasteur, Planck, Einstein and Pauli, all of whom believed the whole purpose of science was to understand God.

The Tucson shooter, Jared Loughner, was lyingly described by the Times as a pro-life fanatic. Not only did more honest news outlets, such as ABC News, report exactly the opposite -- for example, how Loughner alarmed his classmates by laughing about an aborted baby in class -- but Loughner's friends described him as "left wing," "a political radical," "quite liberal" and "a pothead." Another said Loughner's mother was Jewish.

The only reason Timothy McVeigh has gone down in history as a right-wing Christian and Jared Loughner has not -- despite herculean efforts by much of the mainstream media to convince us otherwise -- is that by January 2011 when Loughner went on his murder spree, conservatives had enough media outlets to reveal the truth.

As explained in the smash best-seller "Demonic: How the Liberal Mob Is Endangering America," the liberal rule is: Any criminal act committed by a white man with a gun is a right-wing, Christian conspiracy, whereas any criminal act committed by a nonwhite is the government violating someone's civil liberties.

It's too bad Breivik wasn't a Muslim extremist open about his Jihadist views, because I hear the Army is looking for a new psychiatrist down at Fort Hood.
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