The reason there's no debating us is that you don't even debate you just rant and rave about how everyone that holds things to be true differently then how you hold things to be true is going against your opinions and everyone is biased and blah blah blah the whole world is working against you. You don't address the lapses in your argument, you can't even admit when you're wrong. I'd have more stimulating conversation with a dog that had been hit by a bus and was splayed out across three lanes of traffic.
Now, on to the good stuff (responding to Bugs who actually presents decent ideas):
The fact is that nobody could have run and won on the platform Obama ran on and win, even against the Bush legacy. That isn't just my opinion, that's an opinion of a large number of observers of American politics.
This is a good example of a logical fallacy Bugs. There's no premise to your "fact" because it simply states the obvious: that Obama ran in the election and won. I guess that's probably why the majority of opinion holders on this vital issue find it to be a valid opinion.
He won on a wave of idealism and nonsense. He was the candidate that was going to transcend race, who was going to go beyond racial politics -- and he turns out to be an Al Sharpton kind of guy, with less abrasive rhetoric. He was also going to run a 'clean' government, and all of that stuff. He has turned out to be a classic politician in the Chicago mold.
I don't deny this, I was corresponding for the entirety of the election period with a wide range of republicans and democrats and saw the false optimism they were lending to his campaign, I even tried to temper their hopes by suggesting that as much as they wanted change, it's unlikely to happen without concrete actions by Obama, Congress and the Senate. I knew his campaign rhetoric to be a sham from day one with the appointment of financial "advisors" who were key players in the massive fraud perpetrated on the american public.
I don't expect you to agree with me, but he is shaping up to have the worst presidency in living memory, and possibly the worst ever -- and that includes Jimmy Carter. He will leave the country impoverished, with all its worst tendencies on the surface. Clean government, please, it's been a patronage party. Transcend race? His administration quashed the voter intimidation tactics of the current edition of the Black Panther Party ... and the Pigford settlement has become a shambles.
While it IS possible that this is the case, I refuse to cast judgement until his first term his up and he loses his re-election bid or if re-elected to judge his term based on an analysis of his two terms in office to be completed AFTER he is out of office. Not only does this allow us to look at his term in retrospective instead of jumping to conclusions and lambasting him for every single item; there's also the expected release of documents that won't be released until his term is up which will be a better guide for judging his capacity in office then merely listening to the pundits.
I still doubt with all the problems he's engendered that he'll be able to top Bush Jrs woeful record as president. Though he may come close if the economy truly does tank and he's left shrugging and wagging his fingers at everyone
He has implemented cap and trade through administrative edict, and been far more high-handed, that way, that Bush ever was.
No this is just false, there's no cap and trade system in place. What you're talking about is the Regional Greenhouse Gas Initiative and it was started in 2008 before Obama took office. It is a project set up by Northeastern regional states and there are a couple Canadian provinces that are participating as observers. The project initially started out with George Pataki (republican) calling for regional leadership to lead the nation on tackling climate change. There's been democrat and republicans involved since then.
I don't agree with the project as any system that deals with buying and selling CO2 rights is simply boneheaded.
Furthermore, on the issue of "edicts" are you referring to signing statements, executive orders, or presidential memoranda? I don't know how he stacks up with other presidents in this regard so I suppose once I get the time I'll look into it.
One last thing, I found it rather peculiar how his drawdown in Iraq coupled with his intentions of focusing on Afghanistan quickly became about how he had been misleading about his intentions of focusing on Afghanistan when he became to shuffle the deck for a surge there. Really kind of unbelievable how short the memory is of the pundits, politicians and mostly the voters when the very brief mentions of foreign policy was basically just "I intend to focus on Afghanistan." Rest of the time I suppose everyone was too caught up in the change rhetoric to pay attention.
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Edmund Onward James wrote:
There is no debating you and DFP.
Only because you never try. You really dont want examples of this do you?
And when I am attacked, insulted, integrity questioned the author will receive far more than they were ready for. You, also frequently insult when things are over yourt head or you are not quite informed enough, hence you resort to juvinile tactics by calling me childish for defending my honour.
One of the most important judges is oneself, as far as I am concerned, and integrity is one of the important facets of a person.
Frankly EOJ, you are dishonest in this regard.
You have attacked me not the message . Again, you really dont want examples.
I have not attacked you , I have implied some of your ideas are silly and what not but thats debating.
Your idea of a good debator is someone who's teeth talk to the government? Yeah....integrity.
Im willing to debate anything you want, no ad hominems please, we stick to the issue not the person.
You willing ?
Perhaps both DFP and the master of satire can both enjoy this bit ...
President Barack Obama exacted his revenge Saturday after weeks of attacks from his would-be Republican challenger Donald Trump, joking that the billionaire businessman could bring change to the White House, transforming it from a stately mansion into a tacky casino with a whirlpool in the garden.
With Trump in attendance, Obama used the White House Correspondents' Association annual dinner to mock the reality TV star's presidential ambitions. The president said Trump has shown the acumen of a future president, from firing Gary Busey on a recent episode of "Celebrity Apprentice" to focusing so much time on conspiracy theories about Obama's birthplace.
After a week when Obama released his long-form Hawaii birth certificate, he said Trump could now focus on the serious issues, from whether the moon landing actually happened to "where are Biggie and Tupac?"
"No one is prouder to put this birth certificate matter to rest than 'the Donald,'" Obama said, referring to Trump's claims the same day that he was responsible for solving the issue.
For Trump's decision to fire actor Busey instead of rock singer Meat Loaf from his TV show earlier this month, Obama quipped: "These are the types of decisions that would keep me up at night. Well handled, sir."
And then, as a coup de grace, Obama showed a screen with his vision of how Trump could bring change to the White House. "Trump" was prominently displayed in glittery letters and girls could be seen with cocktails on a Jacuzzi-augmented front lawn.
Trump chuckled at some of the earlier jokes, but was clearly less amused as comedian Seth Meyers picked up where Obama left off.
"Donald Trump often talks about running as a Republican, which is surprising," said the Saturday Night Live actor, entrusted with providing some of the comedy for the evening. "I just assumed he was running as a joke."
Trump stared icily at Meyers as he continued to criticize the real estate tycoon.
Obama and Trump found themselves in the same room after an intense week of attacks from Trump, who has piggybacked on the birther conspiracies and even Obama's refusal to release his university grades to raise the profile of his possible presidential bid.
And the birth certificate was clearly the key punchline for the evening, which typically offers the president a chance to show off his humorous side and a town consumed by politics and partisanship to enjoy a light-hearted affair.
Obama's presentation started after the wrestler Hulk Hogan's patriotic anthem, "Real American," played. Images of Americana from Mount Rushmore to Uncle Sam were shown on the screen, alongside his birth certificate. And then he offered to show his live birth video, which turned out to be a clip from the Disney film, "The Lion King."
It's interesting that the actual relevant points in my argument are just simply not even acknowledged as though your own presentation of ideas were succinct presentations of an argument when the reality is that you are both lacking in cogency.
I can resort to mindless banter if that's what you're looking for, but...oh forget it you get what you ask for...
Plantguy... and I suppose you think he is a fine president, a capable financial mind, and Commander-In-Chief since Osama has been removed. I wonder about the Nobel Peace Prize after that, the International Courts would have preferred a proper trial. Do you think they might charge Barack Hussein Obama?
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Obama could be the biggest Scam in America said Trump.