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PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 4:30 am    Post subject: Evidence Against Global Climate Change? Reply with quote

Okay, as a scientist with lots of experience in the field of Anthropogenic Climate Change, I am one of the 98% of climate scientists who support the tenets of ACC. This means that I agree that the basic theory that the Earth has been warming over the last 100 years, primarily due to an increase of CO2 from anthropogenic sources is correct. There is still lots of research needed to fill around the edges.

This does not mean, however, that I am closed minded on the topic.

So go ahead ACC opponents - hit me with your best shot. Best answer goes to the person who posts the most rational arguments (supported by evidence) that question the theory of ACC (not individual parts, but the overall main body of the scientific theory). Even if I disagree with your arguments.

Please, no tired claims of Climategate. This was a red herring when it first came out, and I will just ignore those Answers.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 10:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote


Any Canadian PM more apprehensive about the economy and welfare of Canadians would enthusiastically and ardently oppose any form of the fraud known as “climate change( CC)”. Over-reacting to this world economic restructuring scam will devastate the Canadian economy, transfer billions of our tax dollars to corrupt socialistic/communist countries, transfer tens of thousands of our jobs, and diminish our standard of living

Now that communism has been invalidated, “Climatism” is the new “ism” adopted by the extremists as their vehicle to increase taxes and transfer wealth just as Trudeau’s National Energy Program was intended. The inconvenient truth is that the job slaughtering over-reacting to “CC” is a stealth strategy for enormous, disingenuous long-term, structural tax increases. "CC” will evolve around an economic Ponzi scheme that includes an enormous new source of tax revenue to the Canadian government to allow it to continue its current expansion of interfering in the free market place, will transfer billions of our tax dollars to undeserving often corrupt countries, will demolish tens of thousands of high paying manufacturing and service jobs, will result in the transfer of political power to the emerging global governance and bureaucracy, injure productivity, and will be a devastating disasters for our children's standard of living.

The Climate Change Fund (CCF) will increase the reach, power, and authority of global governance and transfer at least $100 billion a year to the nations of the world who repudiate creating their own wealth. The recipients, who are commonly corrupted/socialistic leaders, are demanding annual transfers of hundreds of billions of dollars, and on top of that, if you can believe it, they don’t want the donor countries to have much authority as to how the money is spent (wasted), to monitor the spending of our tax dollars, or to authenticate emission reductions. Harper must opt out of this tax increasing proclamation by asserting that Canada categorically will not raise the necessary taxes which will be required if we contribute to this scam fund which will finance the retirement funds for thousands of corrupt, socialistic, illegitimate, wack-job leaders such as the Mugubes, Kims, Hus, Ahmadinejads, and Chavezes of this world. Surely we all remember the last time that the UN was given responsibility to administrate a multibillion dollar program, and how they incompetently screw-up the corrupt “Food for Oil” fund.

Countries that participate in this wealth transferring, and tax increasing scam will discover that the price of all goods and services such as gasoline, electricity will increase. The increase in the price of Canadian goods will make them less competitive in world markets. Canadian producers will suffer in export markets and domestically in competition with goods imported from countries that do not impose high implicit tax on CO2 emissions. The results of course will be massive manufacturing and service industry job losses leading to a much lower standard of living for us and especially our children. In fact, a 2009 study by economists at the California State University at Sacramento found that the implementation cost “could easily exceed $100 billion” and that the program would raise the cost of living by $3,857 per household each year by 2020. So much for the so-called free green lunch!

The latest scientific evidence indicates that the climate may not have changed in the last eleven years, and that the so-called “climate change” is a socialistic hoax to transfer wealth. Therefore, at this time our PM must not annihilate the Canadian economy just to please the left-wing extremists who insist on higher taxes and wealth transfers.
Rational people would think that the first step must include legitimate research and informed discussions pursuant to the current climate change paradigms rather than relying on erroneous computer models based on left-bias assumptions and manipulated data by some rogue “scientists”. These scientists are competing in a culture of exaggeration for the finite number of government research dollars by fabricating gloom and doom fantasies. The deliberations must include more than incontrovertibly paying attention to the biased press and environmental NGOs, each of which have their far-left agendas plus incentives to increase their influence and earnings or government grants. Step two would mandate the private sector, including the investment community possibly with tax incentives, to research, develop, produce, and implement technology necessary, such as carbon capture and sequestration, to resolve any climate problems that might be scientifically and legitimately confirmed to be acute; by reducing the carbon intensity per unity of production.

It is becoming increasing transparent that the so-called “climate change” panic is nothing more than a deception by far-left wealth redistributing advocates. Our left plunging PM must recognized that, rather than being “the greatest problem facing humanity” as he once claimed, “climate change’s” potential for catastrophe is the extremist’s solutions to their imaginary disintegration which would be one hundred times more ruinous than the alleged climate change itself. Unfortunately Canada does not have a small-c fiscal conservative PM, nor are small-c conservatives represented in the Conservative Party or the Canadian Parliament.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 12:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

---Message to "sofia": why don't you just bugger off? You keep throwing your bait here. Haven't you noticed that (almost) nobody cares? You're a scientist... of course... right... everybody understands that... you're not lying... your credibility is spotless. Now why don't you go and play your childish games somewhere else?

---Message to the few who reply to her/him: there are two easy ways to get rid of an annoying troll: 1- ban (this is not my favourite); and 2- ignore (it works nearly 100% of the time)
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