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Edmund Onward James





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PostPosted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 9:28 am    Post subject: Should WikiLeaks be allowed a website in democracies? Reply with quote

Website goes Swiss as editor faces arrest - Dylan Welch NATIONAL SECURITY CORRESPONDENT

THE whistleblower website WikiLeaks has moved to Switzerland, announcing a new domain name - wikileaks.ch.

Its previous domain name, wikileaks.org, was shut down by yet another US internet company yesterday.

The switch comes as Scotland Yard is poised to arrest the WikiLeaks editor-in-chief, Julian Assange, over Swedish sexual assault claims, awaiting only a new warrant after an earlier one was rejected due to improper paperwork.

Advertisement: Story continues below Mr Assange tweeted at 4.30pm that the WikiLeaks.org domain had been ''killed by US … after claimed mass attacks''.

The shutdown was a result of EveryDNS.net dumping WikiLeaks from its servers.

The group declared on Twitter a few hours later: ''WikiLeaks moves to Switzerland''.

However, the new address still only points to a DNS address, suggesting WikiLeaks has been unable to quickly find a new hosting provider.

It is the second time in two days that WikiLeaks has been refused service by an internet company. The US-hosted Amazon servers dumped WikiLeaks at the request of the independent Democratic senator Joseph Lieberman on Thursday.

Senator Lieberman also introduced legislation to Congress that day, which sought to make it a federal crime for anyone to publish the name of a US intelligence source.

The Securing Human Intelligence and Enforcing Lawful Dissemination (SHIELD) Act would amend a section of the World War I-era Espionage Act to include a prohibition on publication of ''human intelligence'' - people who provide information.

WikiLeaks' move to Europe is a bitter endnote to an extraordinary week for Mr Assange, 39, and his radical transparency organisation. It began on Monday with the first few leaks of secret US diplomatic cables that had been copied from US military servers earlier this year.

It is believed Mr Assange remained in a house in southern England yesterday, and that his lawyers were awaiting word on his arrest from British police.

Since August Mr Assange has been facing allegations of rape, sexual molestation and unlawful coercion relating to sexual encounters with two Swedish women.

He has denied the charges.

Swedish authorities sought and were granted an Interpol ''red notice'' this week in order to extradite him from England, but British police rejected it due to mistakes in the paperwork.

The Swedish prosecutor's office says it has corrected those errors and resubmitted the warrant to Britain's Serious Organised Crime Agency, which will instruct Scotland Yard to arrest Mr Assange.

British newspapers reported that local police were aware of Mr Assange's location and were willing to co-operate.

''If an international arrest warrant is legitimately issued and is passed to us and if we know where that person is, then of course we would arrest them,'' a Scotland Yard spokesman reportedly told the Daily Mail.

But Mr Assange's London lawyer, Mark Stephens, cast some doubt on whether Mr Assange could be extradited. ''The process in this case has been so utterly irregular that the chances of a valid arrest warrant being submitted to me are very small,'' he told The Independent.

The Department of Foreign Affairs said yesterday that it would offer consular assistance to Mr Assange if he was arrested.

There is speculation that Australian authorities might be seeking to cancel Mr Assange's Australian passport, after a comment by the Attorney-General, Robert McClelland, this week.

When asked by a Melbourne radio presenter if revoking Mr Assange's passport was a possibility, Mr McClelland said that it was ''under consideration''.


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Edmund Onward James





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PostPosted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 2:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Make no mistake about it, the ongoing WikiLeaks operation against the US is an act of war. It is not merely a criminal offense to publish hundreds of thousands of classified US government documents with malice aforethought. It is an act of sabotage.

The WikiLeaks Challenge
http://www.carolineglick.com/e.....llenge.php

From what I read the U.S is clsoing down his website, but as stated in the previous posting Assange is moving around.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 4:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's interesting, isn't it, that nobody raises the issue of transparency and responsibility, and all of that, with this case.

What is so bad? These are not TOP SECRET documents. They aren't even secret documents. They were available to low level people.

There were some offenses committed in getting the information out of the embassy, and presumably this is actionable.

I think the bigger problem is that 'informal' relationships will dry up, and the US embassies will have to stick to the 'official level' for their information. Or people will stop putting these observations down, in written form.

Granted, there might be some embarrassment involved. But these are politicians. What would you have to reveal to embarrass Hilary Clinton, I wonder. Does she even blush?

If you stop closing down websites because they publish the truth, what's the point of having news sites?


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 04, 2010 2:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The following is the link to the Wikileaks page on Twitter.

http://twitter.com/wikileaks
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 04, 2010 7:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TIME TO PUT THIS TERRORIST COLLABORATOR AWAY

Why hasn’t the Defense Department or The Central Intelligent Agency employed its technology or agents to eradicate this terrorists sustaining web site from the face of the earth? Some security “experts” advise that they believe that the capability exist; all that is necessary is an order from a commander in chief who is dedicated enough, and who loves America enough to give the command. We are told that, the government recently disabled sites that were providing free movies and music.

Second, why is Justice Secondary Holder still studying his possibilities months after the original leaks? Why hasn’t the DOJ, with its thousands of lawyers, indicted the extreme left-winger, rapist Assange and the other terrorist’s collaborators who stole and promulgated these secret documents under the Treason Act? These left wing extremist have stated their mandate as: to “injure the U.S.”

Why has the far left Obama administration responded so languorously and passively? Is the administration so weak and frightened of the extreme left wing of the Democratic Party that it won’t contend with the terrorist’s huggers who are a risk to all Westerners national security?

If the President wants to avoid future copycats he must find and prosecute this quasi- terrorist immediately.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 04, 2010 10:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote


It is understandable for the Obama administration to underplay the significance of the WikiLeaks State Department cables. But while it is wise not to go into a public panic, it is delusional to think that this is merely embarrassing gossip and indiscretion. The leaks have done major damage.


Charles Krauthammer: Violate U.S. security and suffer no consequences
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 04, 2010 11:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The NP has a good article today, the nay side is right on... IMO Assange should be in jail and charged with whatever they can, terrorism, acts of war, espionage, trafficking in stolen goods, whatever they can do - and - they should immediately bring down any site that allows him useage.

http://www.nationalpost.com/ne.....story.html
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 12:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Give me a break. Women are raped in the thousands in the Congo. Millions of people die from complications from AIDS due to a lack of access to ARVs. And tons more die from malnourishment and a lack of potable drinking water. And what do our politicans do? You want to charge Assange with all these indirect crimes, well then most of the world's politicians should be charged for indirect crimes as well for sitting on their hands while thousands die and millions suffer every single day.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 12:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Republican Rep. Ron Paul of Texas is standing up for the founder of WikiLeaks, going against many of his Republican colleagues by defending Assange's leaks of secret American documents.

In a Thursday interview with Fox Business, Paul said that Julian Assange should get the same kind of protections as the mainstream media when it comes to releasing information.

"In a free society we're supposed to know the truth," Paul said. "In a society where truth becomes treason, then we're in big trouble. And now, people who are revealing the truth are getting into trouble for it."

"This is media, isn't it? I mean, why don't we prosecute The New York Times or anybody that releases this?" he added."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-50.....03544.html
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 6:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

David wrote:
"Republican Rep. Ron Paul of Texas is standing up for the founder of WikiLeaks, going against many of his Republican colleagues by defending Assange's leaks of secret American documents.

In a Thursday interview with Fox Business, Paul said that Julian Assange should get the same kind of protections as the mainstream media when it comes to releasing information.

"In a free society we're supposed to know the truth," Paul said. "In a society where truth becomes treason, then we're in big trouble. And now, people who are revealing the truth are getting into trouble for it."

"This is media, isn't it? I mean, why don't we prosecute The New York Times or anybody that releases this?" he added."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-50.....03544.html


Paul is absolutely correct. How could you prosecute Assange without prosecuting all other media outlets who published the documents? It's just not possible. Though the documents were originally published by Wikileaks, all other media outlets ran stories with the contents of the cables.

Think of it this way. Selling cocain is illigeal in both the US and Canada. If A sells cocain to B and B sells the cocain to C and C sells the cocain to D, is C less liable to a criminal charge than B? The answer is no. C still sold the cocain.

So, here the cables were leaked by A to B (wikileaks) and B punlshed them. Then C (the mainstream media) also published the cable's content. The content was then viewed by D (the public). Therefore, both wikileaks and the mainsteam media would have to be liable for any charge that would be brought for publicizing the materials.

The member of the US military who allegedly leaked the documents, Private First Class Bradley Manning, is facing court martial for the leak. Manning is the problem, not Assange. Assange is merely a member of a new form of media outlet that is distributing information that was obtained from a government source. Manning broke military law, if he did what is alleged, and he will face the consequences for that if found guilty.

Everyone is calling for Assange's head, but all he did is what media should do: report information given to it that's of public interest.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 10:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Once, the media had a conscience especially during the wars, up until Vietnam. This is a war, by the way, not only a clash of cultures but the citizens of the democratic world have been attacked. Troubled homosexual Manning should be tried by the military and executed if found guilty The price of a stupid temper tantrum.

Assange is a nothing who thinks he has become somebody of history. What he has done is egregious, even though most of the information was known. Now he threatens to unleash moere, perhaps worse. He has caused a problem with the media and Internet.

You can bet obn it things have changed, and not necessarily for the better.

And those who believe this is free speech, and it will help, are truly unaware. Of course one or two of you are anarchists, others are of the left or swing, libertarians, and find this forum intriguing that there are true conservatives that know better.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 3:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The following is the link to the Wikileaks site on Facebook.

http://www.facebook.com/wikileaks

Also, if Julian Assange is "taken out of the picture", I am sure there are many other people in his organization ready to take his place.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 3:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Edmund Onward James wrote:
Troubled homosexual Manning should be tried by the military and executed if found guilty The price of a stupid temper tantrum.


What does him being gay have to do with it?
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2010 9:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why hasn’t the Defense Department or The Central Intelligent Agency employed its technology or agents to eradicate this terrorists sustaining web site from the face of the earth? Some security “experts” advise that they believe that the capability exist; all that is necessary is an order from a commander in chief who is dedicated enough, and who loves America enough to give the command. We are told that, the government recently disabled sites that were providing free movies and music.

Removing this terrorist sympathizer was the first step, however, removing his web site is crucial if we hope to effectively expedite the war on terrorism. His irresponsibility is also impair international relations for many countries, and also makes Obama and other leaders of other countries who are trying to shut him down look incompetent.

Second, why is Justice Secondary Holder still studying his options months after the original leaks? Why hasn’t the DOJ, with its thousands of lawyers, indicted the extreme left-winger, rapist Assange and the other terrorist’s collaborators who stole and promulgated these secret documents under the Treason Act? These left wing extremist have stated their mandate as: to “injure the U.S.”


Why has the far left Barrack Hussein Obama administration responded so languorously and passively? Is the administration so weak and frightened of the extreme left wing of the Democratic Party that it won’t contend with the terrorist’s huggers who are a risk to all Westerners national security?

If the President wants to avoid future copycats he must find and prosecute this quasi- terrorist immediately.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2010 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

machiavelli wrote:
TIME TO PUT THIS TERRORIST COLLABORATOR AWAY

Why hasn’t the Defense Department or The Central Intelligent Agency employed its technology or agents to eradicate this terrorists sustaining web site from the face of the earth? ... Second, why is Justice Secondary Holder still studying his possibilities months after the original leaks? Why hasn’t the DOJ, with its thousands of lawyers, indicted the extreme left-winger, rapist Assange and the other terrorist’s collaborators who stole and promulgated these secret documents under the Treason Act?


I can see you're excited about this, but I put it to you -- they don't even have anything to charge Assange with, so far as I can see. It doesn't rise to treason. He's not a citizen, and he's not in the USA. He's acting as an activist. Like Michael Moore.

The rape charge is opportunistic, and nobody alleges the sex was anything but consensual. How often does Interpol get involved in what appears to be a case of public hygene?

No, the guy is being persecuted. He is now in jail, the organization's bank account is frozen, while he's being extradited to Sweden to be investigated on a dubious rape charge. They might hold him for weeks. Meanwhile, hackers are entering the site and messing with the releases, and wikileaks is periodically overwhelmed ... and, more ominously, their connections to the network are being shut down, wherever possible.

How different is this than in China? They won't let Facebook into China, for instance. Other things, too. No discussions about Tiannemen Square. Is this the signal that internet freedom is already over?
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