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| kwlafayette wrote: | | Lots of very smart people predict lots of things everyday. Just because you agree with them does not mean they will come true. |
And just because you don't agree with them doesn't mean they won't. Don't waste my time with stupid platitudes.
Very few industries don't have subsidies in one form or another. Why some conservatives feel compelled to be against anything with the word "green" in it is beyond me.
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kwlafayette
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| Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 10:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Craig Smith wrote: | | kwlafayette wrote: | | Lots of very smart people predict lots of things everyday. Just because you agree with them does not mean they will come true. |
And just because you don't agree with them doesn't mean they won't. Don't waste my time with stupid platitudes.
Very few industries don't have subsidies in one form or another. Why some conservatives feel compelled to be against anything with the word "green" in it is beyond me. |
The historical average of futurists getting it right is 2%. I will stick with the 98%, you can put your faith in the 2%.
None of the car lost in Saskatoon have electric vehicles yet. I would imagine it is pretty much the same everywhere else on the continent.
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| Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 12:15 am Post subject: |
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| kwlafayette wrote: | | The historical average of futurists getting it right is 2%. I will stick with the 98%, you can put your faith in the 2%. |
It is hilarious that you think predictions of independent events have any bearing on future predictions. Because someone predicted that we would be on Mars by 2001 that means that other predictions are less likely to happen? Hilarious. I'm not a lemming.
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| Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 12:42 am Post subject: |
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| kwlafayette wrote: | | The historical average of futurists getting it right is 2%. I will stick with the 98%, you can put your faith in the 2%. |
But you are predicting failure. That is still a prediction. So I guess you are in the 2% too.
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kwlafayette
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| Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 9:30 am Post subject: |
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Well, the electric car has been under continuous development for more than 100 years. You can call me irrational for doubting that suddenly all the dominoes have lined up, but that is your problem, not mine.
Let me know when you buy one, or even see one for sale on a car lot. If you ever want to eat the crow, and just admit you were wrong, I won't gloat. Much.
With other green subsidies getting canceled the world over, electric car subsidies cannot be far behind.
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kwlafayette
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| Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 9:41 am Post subject: |
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Just one last dig, for those who will not admit their error.
http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/zevprog/zevprog.htm
http://newsblaze.com/story/201.....story.html
| Quote: | | The total value of state-assessed and county-assessed property declined to $4.371 trillion for 2010-11, a drop of $78.2 billion (1.8 percent) from the previous year, Board of Equalization Acting Member Barbara Alby announced today. This is the second consecutive year-to-year decline in the statewide total, and the second decline since the BOE began keeping records in 1933. |
Probably not related in any way, right? I mean, what could possibly go wrong when you mandate technology that does not really work?
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kwlafayette
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This one got me chuckling.
http://www.nissan.ca/vehicles/.....px?item=15
Glad I do not live in Ontario. $8500 in incentives? That is insane! What is Ontario's deficit right now?
PS. Just Googled it.
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/toron.....ficit.html
The headline from March 2010: "Ontario's $21.3B deficit lower than expected".
PPS. If you did get a million people to drive Leaf's (paying them $8.5 billion dollars to do so), where would the power come from? I do not think that Ontario has built a new power plant in at least a decade.
Is this why Mcguinty is in trouble in the polls?
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It really is amazing the pace at which battery technology is advancing. Anyone who thinks we won't ALL be driving electric cars in 20 years has their head in the sand...
Batteries That Go Ten Times Longer
| Quote: | Lithium-ion batteries are fast becoming the battery of choice for plug-in hybrid and electric vehicles. But they're far from perfect: they don't keep a charge for long (the Nissan Leaf's battery will require a recharge every 100 miles), and they degrade over time.
Enter Contour Energy Systems, a self-described portable power company that this week acquired carbon nanotube li-ion battery technology from MIT. According to Contour, the technology allows li-ion batteries to produce up to a tenfold increase in power--effectively eliminating all concerns about range anxiety. |
In fact, if these numbers hold true it would be people driving gasoline vehicles that would suffer "range anxiety".
| Quote: | | As a result, Contour's batteries can produce high power outputs in short bursts as well as low power outputs over longer periods of time. The batteries can deliver 10 times more energy than traditional li-ion batteries, and they don't degrade over time--after 1,000 charge cycles, Contour found no discernible change in performance. |
It is only a matter of time :)
http://www.fastcompany.com/169.....technology
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| Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 10:35 am Post subject: |
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| Craig Smith wrote: | It really is amazing the pace at which battery technology is advancing. Anyone who thinks we won't ALL be driving electric cars in 20 years has their head in the sand...
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I am saving that one. That is right up there with flying cars. The truth is that no one really know what we will be driving in 20 years; no one knows the future. In 20 years we could all have flux capacitors in our fusion powered Deloreans. Or it could be back to horses because peak oil has taken out modern society. Or it could be the Mayans were right, and nobody is around to drive anything.
Anyone who thinks they know what the world will be like in 20 years has their head somewhere.
PS. What ever happened to the bold 3 year prediction on electric cars from earlier in the year?
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| Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 7:24 pm Post subject: |
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| kwlafayette wrote: | | Anyone who thinks they know what the world will be like in 20 years has their head somewhere. |
Seriously? People aren't allowed to speculate on internet forums? How boring.
Anyone who thinks we can't make predictions about anything 20 years out is extremely naive (or stupid). There is a big difference between "knowing" and "guessing" or "predicting". Anyone who doesn't know the difference between those things technically shouldn't have been able to turn on their computer.
I predict that China's economy will be larger than the US economy in 20 years :roll:
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| Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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| kwlafayette wrote: | | PS. What ever happened to the bold 3 year prediction on electric cars from earlier in the year? |
It will be closer to reality than the statements you have made on this thread. I guess I'm better at predictions than you. Kind of like when I predicted that the Red Wings would win the cup and you said they would lose in the first round :P
God I love schooling you.
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| Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 10:00 pm Post subject: |
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| It occurs to me that batteries are this decade's cold fusion.
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| Quote: | | Electric cars are coming, and tech companies are already working with car manufacturers and utilities to develop ways to manage power consumption in the interest of saving money and distributing demand. Electric cars are destined to become one of the top residential electricity consumers -- in some cases, more than the summertime power draw of the air conditioner and water heater combined. |
http://www.technewsworld.com/s.....1286942924
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/toron.....plant.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L.....ted_States
| Quote: | | Cancellation of a coal-fired power plant in Michigan announced on Friday brings to 97 the number of plants scuttled since 2001, said the Sierra Club, an environmental group that opposes coal plants because they are major emitters of gasses blamed for global warming. |
http://www.reuters.com/article.....SX20090501
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N.....ut_of_2003
Somehow, the circle does not square here, can't quite put my finger on it though. Guess I don't have the "giant brain" that the electric car people have.
In the 30s, in the prairies, they called cars converted to horse power Bennett Buggies or Anderson Carts (Hoover Wagon in the US). Wonder what they will call electric cars when there is no power available to charge them?
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| Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 12:45 am Post subject: |
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| kwlafayette wrote: | | Anyone who thinks they know what the world will be like in 20 years has their head somewhere. |
You seem to be saying that electric cars will fail. Why is it okay for you to make that prediction but I can't predict the opposite. You are a pure hypocrite - plain and simple.
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| Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 12:47 am Post subject: |
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| kwlafayette wrote: | | Somehow, the circle does not square here, can't quite put my finger on it though. Guess I don't have the "giant brain" that the electric car people have. |
If you had a giant brain you would know that centralized electrical energy production is FAR more efficient than distributed gasoline powered engines. Gasoline powered engines in cars are EXTREMELY inefficient (mostly through heat loss). I presume you have some intellect buried deep behind your ideology. It just rarely emerges in these forums.
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