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PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 7:11 am    Post subject: New Ontario poll 41 % pc ,29 % lib, 22% ndp Reply with quote

( it looks like mcguinty's time may finally be running out , 76 % wanting a new party in power is almost unbelievable , mcgunity would likely lose half his seats under these numbers , anyways i wonder what mpp is going to quit first ? cause there sure to jump ship soon cause it is sinking )


McGuinty sinking, poll shows: 76% want new party in power
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Among decided votes in a new poll, 41% back PC's Tim Hudak, 29% Dalton McGuinty’s Liberals, 22% NDP's Andrea Horwath, 8% Green Party's Mike Schreiner.

RENE JOHNSTON/TORONTO STAR
Robert Benzie
Queen’s Park Bureau Chief

Three out of four Ontarians believe it’s “time for a change” at Queen’s Park because of the unpopular 13 per cent harmonized sales tax and lingering economic fears, a new poll suggests.

The Toronto Star-Angus Reid survey indicates Premier Dalton McGuinty’s Liberals, who mark their seventh anniversary in power on Saturday, face major challenges as they head toward the Oct. 6, 2011 election.

With 76 per cent of respondents saying they would like to see another party in power and 71 per cent warning the province “is on the wrong track,” the poll signals change may be on the horizon.

The global recession might officially be over, but the new HST and rising hydro bills have left 86 per cent of Ontarians claiming “it is harder now than it was two years ago to make ends meet.”

Among decided voters, 41 per cent back Progressive Conservative Leader Tim Hudak with 29 per cent for McGuinty’s Liberals, 22 per cent for NDP Leader Andrea Horwath, and 8 per cent for Green Party Leader Mike Schreiner.

But 26 per cent of voters remain undecided and, when they are factored in, the Tories sit at 29 per cent, the Liberals 20 per cent, the New Democrats 14 per cent, and the Greens 4 per cent.

McGuinty said introducing the HST and cutting corporate and personal income tax rates was essential to boosting Ontario’s economy so improvements in health care and education could continue to be funded.

“Polls come and polls go, there’s only one that counts at the end of the day and I think that one of the things that people assess in the final poll is your commitment to those things that are of fundamental importance to them,” the premier told the Star Monday.

“There is a certain kind of rhythm that takes place, a tide, of public uppermost priorities, but again those things that are really important to families never change,” he said, stressing his administration would continue to focus on “good schools, good health care and a strong economy.”

Jodi Shanoff, senior vice president of Angus Reid Public Opinion, said Ontarians appear to be parking their vote with Hudak, who became Tory leader in June 2009.

“They don’t know him, they don’t have much of an opinion of him yet,” said Shanoff.

“This is a clear reflection that at this time Ontarians are not happy with the last few months with this provincial government and they’re seriously contemplating an alternative.”

Indeed, 65 per cent said the Liberals have done a poor job managing the economy over the past six months with 35 per cent lauding the government’s performance.

The online survey of 805 people, conducted last Tuesday and Wednesday, is considered accurate to within 3.5 percentage points, 19 times out of 20.

Shanoff noted the visceral reaction toward the HST, which melded the 8 per cent provincial sales tax with the 5 per cent federal GST on July 1 after a deal between McGuinty and Prime Minister Stephen Harper.

According to the poll, 81 per cent of Ontarians felt harmonization was the “wrong thing to do” with only 19 per cent supporting the streamlined, business-friendly tax that has been hailed by Bay St.

The opposition to eco fees for recycling consumer products was almost as strong — even though the Liberals aborted the scheme weeks after levies ranging from a penny to $6.66 appeared on thousands of household items the same day the HST was launched.

As the Liberals design a replacement recycling program, expected by Oct. 18, 73 per cent said the old eco fees were “the wrong thing to do” with 27 per cent approving.

In the Legislature on Monday, Hudak said “families are looking for change.”

But the poll suggests 56 per cent of people suspect the rookie PC leader would raise taxes and 75 per cent say he would cut public services.

For her part, Horwath said the rising cost of electricity — now subject to the 13 per cent HST up from the 5 per cent GST — has “left families afraid, literally afraid, to open their hydro bills.”

The survey indicates 66 per cent of voters believe she will raise taxes and that 66 per cent also believe she will enhance public services.

Both Hudak and Horwath have pointedly refused to say whether they would eliminate the HST if elected next year.

There are flickers of hope for the Liberals in the findings.

Almost two-thirds of respondents (62 per cent) feel Ontario “still leads the way when it comes to important policies and issues like health care and the economy.”

As well, 66 per cent of Ontarians like all-day kindergarten, which McGuinty began phasing in this month at schools across the province.

Efforts by the government to change the channel during the summer with headline-grabbing policies seem to have been met with mixed results.

Some 71 per cent oppose the Ontario Lottery and Gaming Corp. getting into the online gambling business while 52 per cent believed legalized mixed martial arts to allow Ultimate Fighting Championship bouts was a good idea.

There is also growing support for one of former Liberal premier David Peterson’s key pledges from the 1985 provincial election: selling beer and wine in corner stores.

Some 63 per cent of Ontarians favour allowing it while 36 per cent oppose such liberalization of alcohol sales.

At the same time, 59 per cent are against the sale of the Liquor Control Board of Ontario booze monopoly or other Crown assets compared to 40 per cent in support of privatization.


http://www.thestar.com/news/ca.....-poll-says
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 8:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The conservatives should be able to make a lot of hay out of rising electricity costs (among other issues) but it's not only seniors who need a break. Add on the HST to everything else and we have a much higher cost of living. If they handle this one correctly, they could get in. When is the next election?

http://www.theglobeandmail.com.....le1729312/
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 9:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Meh.
Given my options I would still vote for Dalton.

We keep painting Hudak with a brush of competence.

He SHOULD be able to secure points on rising Hydro, He SHOULD be able to win based on the HST, he SHOULD be able to capitalize on single source contracts.

But whats his plan for any of them?
We know he won't scrap the HST, I think anyone with the most base knowledge of economics understands that. The Province needs the money they saw a massive decrease in tax revenue collected.

What will he do as it pertains to Hydro costs?
Will he scrap the Samsung deal? will he add the four reactors to Darlington?

How about single source contracts?
Will he allow non-Canadian and non-Ontario firms to bid on projects just the say "hey look at me, we saved 3% and I am shoveling money out of the Province, but I sure didn't single source".

Its been nearly a year and a half;
I get about four updates daily from his Facebook feed and he still doesn't have any plank policy?

The Common Sense Revolution was rolled out well over a year prior to the 1995 Election, and I am watching Hudak recycle the same dance around any issue non-sense that he has been spewing since he was elected.

Hudak and his handlers lack anything that even resembles "balls". (Please pardon the term)

Much like Tory he is laying back and making sure he doesn't say anything or commit to anything and hope he will get elected because he isn't Dalton, rather then opting to get elected because he stands for something.

I voted for a policy eunuch in 2007, I am in no rush to do so again in 2011.

Flame away.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 6:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You'd vote for Dalton - aarrghh

There's a piece here on how Tim Hudak can win the next election, I agree with the points about full time day care, EAP, but he has to come up with a good alternative plan.

http://crux-of-the-matter.info.....-election/ this is a tricky one
Quote:
(3) Maintain the EAP — Even though the Early Learning Program (also called the full-day Kindergarten) is extremely expensive, now that it has begun, some 66% of respondents said it was the right decision to make compared with 34% who said it was wrong. Perhaps a modified version of the program would suffice, as long as there were open boundaries for those parents who wanted access to the full-day program. But clearly, if the PC’s say they would review or halt it, that would become the equivalent to the faith-based funding issue in 2007 — and a big mistake. Which means, the PC Party is going to have to come out with a definitive position soon!

Choice with smart meters - sounds good
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 8:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cosmostein wrote:
Meh.
Given my options I would still vote for Dalton.

We keep painting Hudak with a brush of competence.

He SHOULD be able to secure points on rising Hydro, He SHOULD be able to win based on the HST, he SHOULD be able to capitalize on single source contracts.

But whats his plan for any of them?
We know he won't scrap the HST, I think anyone with the most base knowledge of economics understands that. The Province needs the money they saw a massive decrease in tax revenue collected.

What will he do as it pertains to Hydro costs?
Will he scrap the Samsung deal? will he add the four reactors to Darlington?

How about single source contracts?
Will he allow non-Canadian and non-Ontario firms to bid on projects just the say "hey look at me, we saved 3% and I am shoveling money out of the Province, but I sure didn't single source".

Its been nearly a year and a half;
I get about four updates daily from his Facebook feed and he still doesn't have any plank policy?

The Common Sense Revolution was rolled out well over a year prior to the 1995 Election, and I am watching Hudak recycle the same dance around any issue non-sense that he has been spewing since he was elected.

Hudak and his handlers lack anything that even resembles "balls". (Please pardon the term)

Much like Tory he is laying back and making sure he doesn't say anything or commit to anything and hope he will get elected because he isn't Dalton, rather then opting to get elected because he stands for something.

I voted for a policy eunuch in 2007, I am in no rush to do so again in 2011.

Flame away.


well i don't think these numbers are cause hudak has done anything wonderful yet . more dalton has done such as awful job of late any opposition party is going to go up , even the ndp was at 22 % which is a massive jump for them .

the swing voters are serving dalton notice that if he doesn't get his act together they might just vote for someone else . in other words he's had his chance to run Ontario and time is running up if he doesn't smarten up . this poll is all about anti dalton sentiment , its not a hudak love fest , far from it .
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 9:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

chilipepper wrote:
You'd vote for Dalton - aarrghh

There's a piece here on how Tim Hudak can win the next election, I agree with the points about full time day care, EAP, but he has to come up with a good alternative plan.

http://crux-of-the-matter.info.....-election/ this is a tricky one
Quote:
(3) Maintain the EAP — Even though the Early Learning Program (also called the full-day Kindergarten) is extremely expensive, now that it has begun, some 66% of respondents said it was the right decision to make compared with 34% who said it was wrong. Perhaps a modified version of the program would suffice, as long as there were open boundaries for those parents who wanted access to the full-day program. But clearly, if the PC’s say they would review or halt it, that would become the equivalent to the faith-based funding issue in 2007 — and a big mistake. Which means, the PC Party is going to have to come out with a definitive position soon!

Choice with smart meters - sounds good


I know;
It sounds so unwholesome when I say it out loud.

Its sort of refreshing to be able to sit back with utter disdain for all my Provincial political options and look at the situation for what it is.

We can make all the lists we want as they pertain to Tim Hudak and the Provincial PC party, as to what they should do and what they could do but the simple reality is till I see some of that list actually on a platform we are simply partaking in Anthropomorphism.

We wish it to be so, and we have somehow convinced ourselves that it is.
But nearly none of the mentioned items on the list are actually coming from Hudak's camp.

Its very simple, if Hudak wants my support (not that he seems to need it) its pretty simple

1) Commit to a position on HST formally.
He spent a year campaigning against what I generally consider to be a good tax that was poorly implemented, he wasted time and dollars fighting against the HST yet he has not committed to repeal it.

Not that I agree with repealing it, but if you are going to waste time and money that has been donated to you on an issue can you at a minimum have a real position on it.
His stance is far too much like Jean Chrétien and the GST, mouth outrage use it as a club against the government and then reap its benefits when you are in office.

Either be for it, against it, or give me some variation of Frank Klees Plan of the 5 + 5 tax to make it truly revenue neutral, sitting on your hands and hoping that the Liberals crash themselves into a wall is not a winning strategy, just ask Mr. Tory and Mr. Eves.

2) Stop Using Polls to Dictate Qwazi Policy.
The whole issue of single source contracts is one that the opposition has rode the Liberals on for weeks, but the question that I have is has anyone in either office of the opposition actually read these tenders which are bid on? They are skewed in a manner that benefits Ontario firms first, and Canadian firms second which is very common practice in the United States (see Buy America) in many cases a tender is put forth where only one firm can bid, and given a 5% savings or a 10% savings on a matter like my personal health information maybe its just me but I would prefer a domestic company hand that for a few bucks more.

This was the sort of common sense approach that caused me to support Mike Harris, whereas Hudak has not met a torch and pitchfork he has not liked.

3) Sell the Voters
The Progressive Conservatives in 1995 didn't assume support, even though they had been in power for nearly 50 years prior to the NDP/Liberal Coalition they didn't take a single vote forgranted. The platform and the plan was made public about a year and a half prior to when the 1995 election was held and the PC's went riding by riding trying to win the support of Ontario.

Hudak seems to be sitting back and assuming that Ontario is so outraged with Dalton they will just fall in line behind him.

4) Jobs
Hudak thinks we need them, but seems to have no policy on how to get them other then whatever the Liberals are doing is wrong.

That isn't policy, its commentary.

Its not complicated, but I just don't see it occurring.
I am watching card carrying PC's run to his defense claiming that he has a glut of policy the media just refused to cover it...

Is this what I am suppose to get excited about?
http://10for2010.ca/

A bunch of cliches and social commentary?

How about this
http://www.ontariopc.com/news-.....-families/

He will provide meaningful tax relief?
Okay, what taxes will you cut? and by how much?

With Dalton I dislike 70% of his legislation,
But with Hudak I just have no idea what the heck this guy is bringing to the table, we are just over a year out from an election and if I have no idea what this guy stands and I LOVE politics, what are the people of Ontario going to think when it actually comes down to voting?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 9:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RCO wrote:
cosmostein wrote:
Meh.
Given my options I would still vote for Dalton.

We keep painting Hudak with a brush of competence.

He SHOULD be able to secure points on rising Hydro, He SHOULD be able to win based on the HST, he SHOULD be able to capitalize on single source contracts.

But whats his plan for any of them?
We know he won't scrap the HST, I think anyone with the most base knowledge of economics understands that. The Province needs the money they saw a massive decrease in tax revenue collected.

What will he do as it pertains to Hydro costs?
Will he scrap the Samsung deal? will he add the four reactors to Darlington?

How about single source contracts?
Will he allow non-Canadian and non-Ontario firms to bid on projects just the say "hey look at me, we saved 3% and I am shoveling money out of the Province, but I sure didn't single source".

Its been nearly a year and a half;
I get about four updates daily from his Facebook feed and he still doesn't have any plank policy?

The Common Sense Revolution was rolled out well over a year prior to the 1995 Election, and I am watching Hudak recycle the same dance around any issue non-sense that he has been spewing since he was elected.

Hudak and his handlers lack anything that even resembles "balls". (Please pardon the term)

Much like Tory he is laying back and making sure he doesn't say anything or commit to anything and hope he will get elected because he isn't Dalton, rather then opting to get elected because he stands for something.

I voted for a policy eunuch in 2007, I am in no rush to do so again in 2011.

Flame away.


well i don't think these numbers are cause hudak has done anything wonderful yet . more dalton has done such as awful job of late any opposition party is going to go up , even the ndp was at 22 % which is a massive jump for them .

the swing voters are serving dalton notice that if he doesn't get his act together they might just vote for someone else . in other words he's had his chance to run Ontario and time is running up if he doesn't smarten up . this poll is all about anti dalton sentiment , its not a hudak love fest , far from it .


No Question,
It can't be a Hudak lovefest because the guy hasn't done anything.

He gets the "None of the Above Vote".

The Problem is that the PC's are doing nothing to retain this anti-Dalton vote.
They are keeping their mouth shut and flying under the radar in hopes that they won't say anything that will hurt them.
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